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Liz and the Angry Nerds -- Headquearters

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Re: Liz's Logic Cafe
« Reply #40 on: January 31, 2007, 02:10:55 PM »
damn...I can't remember her name. She was an incredibly bright African-American girl, dressed well (sort of alternative sensibility), should be a 1L at HLS right now. She said she wanted to go into teaching. I can't believe I'm blanking on her name.

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Re: Liz's Logic Cafe
« Reply #41 on: January 31, 2007, 02:18:18 PM »
yeah, portia! that's right. she rocked. was your class good?

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Re: Liz's Logic Cafe
« Reply #42 on: January 31, 2007, 10:42:15 PM »
bumppp

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Re: Liz's Logic Cafe
« Reply #43 on: January 31, 2007, 10:43:18 PM »
so, on the subject of neocons, I always like to ask: have you read any of Leo Strauss or his proteges?

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Re: Liz's Logic Cafe
« Reply #44 on: January 31, 2007, 11:15:40 PM »
You're certainly not off in terms of what the neocons took from what THEY thought he was saying. His own writings are usually close reading of classical or medieval political philosophy; he rarely wrote about comtemporary politics.

Strauss took seriously the idea that ancient political philosophers (including many islamic political philosophers who hadn't been translated into english for centuries before Strauss repopularized them) who wrote under persecution, and were exceptionally clever, wrote with great precision so as not to upset any cultural or political institutions. Socrates of course was put to death for that reason, as well as not believing in the gods of the city. Plato himself, with the fictional Socrates as his philosophical character, would be particularly conscious of his teacher's fate and be sure to write with care.

So it's complicated. For Strauss, it would be important to investigate the "noble lie" (which is what you alluded to in your post) as it occurs in his Republic. On my own reading, it's absolutely clear that Socrates does not think the proto-socialist/totalitarian state he creates should ever be put into practice. The neocons could have seen something in these teachings and then entered the poltical sphere to actualize them—something they never should have done.

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Re: Liz's Logic Cafe
« Reply #45 on: January 31, 2007, 11:28:22 PM »
But one thing Strauss does have in common with the neocons, and the right in general: they take a strong stance against relativism and have a deep skepticism of modernity and supposed "progress." One way to frame the ideological struggle we face today: islamism provides a value system which definitively raises one culture or destiny above others, and the West no longer has that. We only stand for a supposed "tolerance," which is really a kind of perpetual indecision. It's easy to see how that indecision could weaken the foundations of a civilization, causing it to lose faith in itself.

Re: Liz's Logic Cafe
« Reply #46 on: February 01, 2007, 01:17:34 AM »
aright, so who's playing at the cafe tonight?

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Re: Liz's Logic Cafe
« Reply #47 on: February 01, 2007, 06:32:39 AM »
Snow day!  Woo hoo!!  Its times like these that I love living in the southeast!

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Re: Liz's Logic Cafe
« Reply #48 on: February 01, 2007, 05:52:49 PM »
Okay Liz, what's your biggest Logic Games weakness? Is it a certain type of game, or do all the types trip you up? Give me a status report.

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Re: Liz's Logic Cafe
« Reply #49 on: February 01, 2007, 06:01:35 PM »
e-ver-y-thing.

How much time have you spent doing games to date? Do you think you know what's not clicking, or are you completely in the dark about how to approach them? I haven't heard you talk about this much (maybe I should read old threads) but I'm assuming you've read all the relevant stuff by now, since you made that guide.