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Your opinion of the best third tier law school.

swifty

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Re: Your opinion of the best third tier law school.
« Reply #30 on: July 29, 2004, 08:47:45 PM »
I just moved to St. Pete to start at Stetson in a couple of weeks.  It is humid here, but it is only oppressive during July/Aug/Sept and is much improved by October according to the "natives" (this is a joke...everyone is from Ohio or NY, but they have lived here awhile).  I have spent summers in FL for many years, and didn't find it much worse than Ohio's since there is usually a gulf breeze to help matters.  I personally am willing to handle a little heat to get away from Ohio winters.  I have never spent time in CA, though, so maybe you get warm weather without humidity year-round there.

CA is a big place so, as most people tend to do, they stereotype it as perfect weather all year long and all we do is surf.  I've only surfed once, and that was in Hawaii.  The entire state does not have high humidity, however in Sacramento, we typically hit 100+ degrees about 20 times a Summer but only with 20% humidity.  Now if you drive 90 miles to the bay area, you'll never see temps in the 100s. Some famous person wrote the Coldest Winter he spent was a Summer in San Francisco.  Sacramento is the perfect hub city, and I always tell people who ask me what there is to do in Sacramento that they should leave town.  Bay area to the West, Yosemite to the South, Lassen and Shasta to the North, and Tahoe, a two hour drive east, and a nice drive too.  Sacramento is also in a valley, so in the Winter, we could go 2 months without seeing the sun because of dense fog.  That's the worst part. 

Ideally the best weather is in Southern Ca, the climate doesn't change too much,

Re: Your opinion of the best third tier law school.
« Reply #31 on: July 31, 2004, 03:55:04 PM »
swifty--what are your numbers?

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Re: Your opinion of the best third tier law school.
« Reply #32 on: July 31, 2004, 06:24:25 PM »
swifty--what are your numbers?

I have a whopping 2.67 GPA, but I am sure LSADS will have a field day whittling that down.  I can only really count on a high LSAT, and my work experience.  I'm 40, worked 10 years of self-employment too, and I know it's only gossip or whatever you want to call it, but I'm told the self employment will be looked at more than my job history.  I'm just going to try and see what happens.  At least I know some of my limits, although I am going to apply to Harvard just so I can say they turned me down for no good reason to my children.  What will they know, they aren't even born yet  ;)

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Re: Your opinion of the best third tier law school.
« Reply #33 on: August 01, 2004, 02:25:05 PM »
The more I think about it the more I think I'm going to apply to Vermont. Number 1 Environmental program is pretty enticing.

My only qualms are with the size of the town (really small, although it might be nice to breathe some fresh air) and the low starting salary, which I assume is a result of the high percentage of grads that go into non-profit. Have I just justified both my qualms? Hmm...

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Re: Your opinion of the best third tier law school.
« Reply #34 on: August 02, 2004, 01:09:52 PM »
I think Penn State is hands down the best 3rd tier school. It's only a matter of time before dickinson loses the battle to stay in carlisle and they move the show to state college. that move in itself is going to catapult their usnews rankings. dickinson's insistence of charging the same tuition for instate and out of state is also killing the school figuring it's 24k/yr...another issue that will go away when the school moves 80 miles norhwest. plus when you look at the grand scheme...all of penn states other programs receive a lot of respect nationally.

as for humidity and heat....I think I have it the worst here in baton rouge...i've never seen the weatherbug startbar icon turn red until i moved here, and the 85% humidity is just wonderful too.

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Re: Your opinion of the best third tier law school.
« Reply #35 on: August 02, 2004, 02:27:03 PM »
syracuse was second tier last year, i think, although it has traditionally been third tier.

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Re: Your opinion of the best third tier law school.
« Reply #36 on: August 02, 2004, 02:28:46 PM »
My vote for the best third tier school would be Stetson or Syracuse.  But where you go should be more about WHERE you want to practice than which Tier 3 school is higher.  ie. florida or NY, big difference...

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Re: Your opinion of the best third tier law school.
« Reply #37 on: December 15, 2004, 03:48:05 AM »
I would stay away from Franklin Pierce.  Although, it is respected by some of the older, the babyboomers in IP, the school isn't as strong as it used to in IP.  If you have been observing the trend in their ranking in IP in the last 10 years, they have been slipping pretty badly; from top 1, to 2 to 3 and was holding on to 3 for few years and now to down to 7.  I've talked to some people at FP, they say that the trend will continue for awhile until all the T14 and Ivys are above Franklin Pierce.  In few years, FP will probably be thrown out of the top 10 in IP.  For overall ranking, it's been shifting back and forth between 3Tier & 4Tier.

Furthermore, although grads get employed outside NH, their prospects aren't as good as those of grads from other IP programs. 

Wouldn't you want to be part of a rising star rather than a sinking Titanic.  They have been renovating or actually added an anex to their building few years ago, but I think they will have to do a lot more than just adding a building.  I strongly recommend other 3 or 4 tier school.  Good luck.   


I have never been to Franklin Pierce in New Hampshire but I know they are very strong in IP law and starting salaries are considerable for their ranking. Oh and NH has no sales tax, which is always a plus.
Hope this helps.

Re: Your opinion of the best third tier law school.
« Reply #38 on: December 15, 2004, 05:47:24 AM »
I think NY Law School is underrated also. It has jumped between T2 and T3 in the US News ranking. It is very close to the NYC Courts and Wall Street. Location is everything right? From what I hear from a friend of mine who went to law school, NY Law School is more practical than most T1 and T2 schools.

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Re: Your opinion of the best third tier law school.
« Reply #39 on: December 15, 2004, 07:08:02 AM »
I wish i still had the link to a great article about the different types of law schools. They seem to be splitting off into 2 types - traditional and practical. Traditional ones stress the theory of law and practical ones teach you what forms to fill out and push.

Basically it seems like BigLaw prefers the traditional schools - they need lawyers that understand the theory and background of the law, and they don't need their highly paid attorneys to run around from courthouse to courthouse since they have resources (paralegals, office staff...)

Small offices on the other hand prefer these new "practical" grads - they can't afford the support staff, and thus their 2-3 lawyers all need to know where to go and what papers and forms to use. The downside of course is that when little law goes up against biglaw, most of the time you know how it ends up.

If i find the article i'll post it.