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Has Bush lost it?

Re: Has Bush lost it?
« Reply #30 on: June 18, 2004, 10:09:58 AM »
I've heard RR Jr.  He is a conservative to me.  You call him a liberal.  OK we disagree, but I doubt we could agree on definitions of conservative or liberal.  If it helps any, I am not a conservate, liberal or even a centrist by anyone's definition.

Are you one of those who think that the governer of California is a liberal even though he is a Republican?

I think you're confusing Ron Reagan Jr. with his brother, Michael, who is an ardent convervative.  Ron Jr. is a self-described liberal - it's not my opinion.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0%2C12271%2C1009274%2C00.html

Schwarzenegger is definitely liberal on many social issues (abortion, gay rights, gun control, etc), but moderate-to-conservative on fiscal policy, not unlike most Republicans who represent traditionally Democratic constituencies.  That's not a criticism to say that someone is a liberal or a moderate, it's just an observation. 

Especially in states like New York, California, and Massachusetts, "Republican" is not equivalent to "conservative."  Of course, it works both ways:  Most Democrats in the South tend to be conservative or moderate on social issues. 

It's not fruitful to get into defining who is a "real" Republican or a "real" Democrat, because the truth is that anyone could justifiably fit into either party, as long as their ideology falls somewhere in the mainstream political spectrum (i.e. not communism/socialism, nazism, fascism, etc.)  There are many liberal Republicans and conservative Democrats. 

jgruber

Re: Has Bush lost it?
« Reply #31 on: June 18, 2004, 10:12:37 AM »
OK, but even if RR Jr. describes himself as a liberal, he is to the right of me.

I've heard RR Jr.  He is a conservative to me.  You call him a liberal.  OK we disagree, but I doubt we could agree on definitions of conservative or liberal.  If it helps any, I am not a conservate, liberal or even a centrist by anyone's definition.

Are you one of those who think that the governer of California is a liberal even though he is a Republican?

I think you're confusing Ron Reagan Jr. with his brother, Michael, who is an ardent convervative.  Ron Jr. is a self-described liberal - it's not my opinion.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0%2C12271%2C1009274%2C00.html

Schwarzenegger is definitely liberal on many social issues (abortion, gay rights, gun control, etc), but moderate-to-conservative on fiscal policy, not unlike most Republicans who represent traditionally Democratic constituencies.  That's not a criticism to say that someone is a liberal or a moderate, it's just an observation. 

Especially in states like New York, California, and Massachusetts, "Republican" is not equivalent to "conservative."  Of course, it works both ways:  Most Democrats in the South tend to be conservative or moderate on social issues. 

It's not fruitful to get into defining who is a "real" Republican or a "real" Democrat, because the truth is that anyone could justifiably fit into either party, as long as their ideology falls somewhere in the mainstream political spectrum (i.e. not communism/socialism, nazism, fascism, etc.)  There are many liberal Republicans and conservative Democrats. 

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Re: Has Bush lost it?
« Reply #32 on: June 18, 2004, 01:47:18 PM »
OK, but even if RR Jr. describes himself as a liberal, he is to the right of me.

But well to the left of not only Bush, but his own father.

jgruber

Re: Has Bush lost it?
« Reply #33 on: June 18, 2004, 05:36:17 PM »
OK, but even if RR Jr. describes himself as a liberal, he is to the right of me.

But well to the left of not only Bush, but his own father.

There's a lot of room to the left of that pair, but thanks for the clarification.  I actually learned something.