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"Right To Bear Arms"


Re: Princess Di’s Mom Calls Her Daughter a "Whore"
« Reply #170 on: July 19, 2008, 02:54:30 PM »

Well, Diana's own mother called her a "whore." She didn't like the fact that her daughter had had romances with Muslim men. This was before the princess' romance with Dodi Fayed. Shand-Kydd said that Diana was "a whore and that she was @ # ! * i n g around with Muslim men."

Frances Shand Kydd
"In the end, strange as it may seem, Diana's funeral was probably the proudest day of my life as a mother."

Damn, that's harsh.  Especially considering that would make her the mother of a whore and the princes of England sons of a whore.  Ouch

Taken into account her character and convictions, I'm surprised how it's possible she did not kill Diana WITH HER OWN HANDS!

Re: "Right To Bear Arms"
« Reply #171 on: July 21, 2008, 02:00:26 PM »

No need to be sarcastic, berate! I think sheraton makes a very interesting comment when talking specifically about "the mother of the future king to have a child with his son" (Dodi being, as he was, an Arab, of another race). Someone's further interpretation would be appreciated..

Actually, oliver, I don't think "someone's further interpretation" is needed... what you say is pretty clear.

Re: "Right To Bear Arms"
« Reply #172 on: July 21, 2008, 03:18:28 PM »

The Heller Case, commonly referred to as the DC Gun Case, went before the Supreme Court today and may finally resolve the question of whether or not owning a gun is an individual right.  Since the Constitution is unambiguous about it, "the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed," this case should be a slam dunk.  But since the Supreme Court seems more open to the whims of the members rather than bound by the oath they swore upon entering office (see the Kilo decision), anything is possible.

There's no point in arguing the merits of the case, some people support individual rights, other don't like them and want the court to rule them on to the ash heap of history (rather than go about doing away with an amendment to the Constitution the way it was designed to be done - by amending it again (see prohibition).  That’s fine, they can think it all they want, at least until someone doesn’t like what people think and gets a legal ruling against having those thoughts, that’s not really the point.

What is telling about this case is the clear line of editorial input in the first line of this Associated Press story:

Advocates of gun rights and opponents of gun violence demonstrated outside the Supreme Court Tuesday while inside, justices heard arguments over the meaning of the Second Amendment's 'right to keep and bear arms."

Catch the implication there?  As if those who advocate for gun rights somehow support gun violence, perhaps not explicitly, but implicitly.

What is really telling about the different sides is this part of the story:

Anise Jenkins, president of a coalition called Stand Up for Democracy in D.C., defended the district's 32-year-old ban on handgun ownership.

"We feel our local council knows what we need for a good standard of life and to keep us safe," Jenkins said.

Jenkins and members of Stand Up for Democracy in DC have full faith in government to take care of them over themselves.  That is both telling and disturbing.  Washington DC has one of the highest murder rates in the country WITH a gun ban, yet Jenkins “feels” the government that horribly mismanages the District will somehow magically take care of its citizens when criminals strike.

Criminals specifically avoid the strong in society, hence the phrase "prey on the weak."  People are free to be as weak as they like, but the Constitution clearly grants everyone the right to choose whether they wish to so or not.  Mr. Heller chooses not be to weak, he chooses to protect himself.  It's now in the hands of the Supreme Court to determine if he’s allowed to exercise that right.

Re: "Right To Bear Arms"
« Reply #173 on: July 22, 2008, 01:08:18 PM »

Re: "Right To Bear Arms"
« Reply #174 on: July 23, 2008, 02:27:15 PM »

One thing I never understood is how these highway shooters firing shots simply disappear without actually taking someone down ..I mean, we sure know these "shootings" are different from the sniper spree of nearly 6 years ago (those attacks targeted people who were standing outside their cars) but still... not to mention that Virginia gets also reminded of a lot of emergencies they've had...


Re: "Right To Bear Arms"
« Reply #175 on: July 28, 2008, 09:30:50 AM »

No need to be sarcastic, berate! I think sheraton makes a very interesting comment when talking specifically about "the mother of the future king to have a child with his son" (Dodi being, as he was, an Arab, of another race). Someone's further interpretation would be appreciated..

Actually, oliver, I don't think "someone's further interpretation" is needed... what you say is pretty clear.

I'd assume oliver is enquiring as to whether there's some arcane rule in place that kingdoms and the like adhere to - some kind of "secret" that normal people would consider weird or irrational that made Phillip execute Diana because of her marriage to Dodi (for instance, freemasons, with all those 33rd Degree Initiation idiotic rules and the like...

Re: "Right To Bear Arms"
« Reply #176 on: July 29, 2008, 09:22:04 AM »
In "Blood Sacrifice and the Nation: Totem Rituals and the American Flag" authors argue that the underlying cost of all society is the violent death of some of its members." In contrast to the view that societal violence is something that occasionally "happens" in spite of our best efforts, the authors argue that violence is INHERENT WITHIN THE VERY NATURE AND STRUCTURE OF "SOCIETY. Many writers speak about the naturally "aggressive" nature of human beings. Marvin and Ingle understand that violence has a deeper source, namely the societal compulsion to SACRIFICE ITS OWN MEMBERS IN THE NAME OF THE SACRED (NATIONAL) IDEAL. It is this SACRIFICAL meaning of violence that human beings refuse to perceive.

The authors state that "OUR DEEPEST SECRET, THE COLLECTIVE GROUP TABOO, IS KNOWLEDGE THAT SOCIETY DEPENDS ON THE DEATH OF SACRIFICIAL VICTIMS AT THE HANDS OF THE GROUP ITSELF." Our capacity to understand the nature of human society requires perceiving this relationship between sacred groups and collective violence. This book represents a significant step toward revealing and articulating this relationship.

Re: "Right To Bear Arms"
« Reply #177 on: July 29, 2008, 10:25:49 AM »
"I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology... Its importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda. Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions are generated."

- Bertrand Russel

The more one studies mind control, secret societies and the occult, the more one understands the subtlety and hidden symbolism of the Kennedy assassination.

James Shelby Downard's underground classic, "Sorcery, Sex, Assassination and the Science of Symbolism," links American historical events with a grand occult plan to "turn us into cybernetic mystery zombies." The assassination of JFK was a performance of the occult ritual called The Killing of the King, designed as a mass-trauma, mind-control assault against the national body-politic of the United States.

Mr. Downward's co-researcher and author, Michael A. Hoffman II, wrote in "Secret Societies and Psychological Warfare" that "fabled alchemy had at least three goals to accomplish before the total decay of matter, the total breakdown we are witnessing all around us today, was fulfilled and these are:

  • "The Creation and Destruction of Primordial Matter."
  • "The Killing of the Divine King."
  • "The Bringing of Prima Materia to Prima Terra."

Hoffman writes:

Since ancient times these were the goals of the Gnostic-Rosicrucian-Masonic-Hermetic Academy, an elite as real and corporeal as President Bush's Skull and Bones society at Yale University; the Bohemian Grove in California; Dr. John Whiteside Parson's Ordo Templi Orientis (OTO) also in California; General Albert Pike's Scottish and Palladian Rites of Freemasonry and a host of lesser imitators. All of these cults have or had the highest possible offices, connections and old boy networks. The Creation and Destruction of Primordial Matter was accomplished at the White Head ("Ancient of Days"), at White Sands, New Mexico, at the Trinity Site. The Trinity Site itself is located at the beginning of an ancient Western road known in old Mexico as the Jornada del Muerto (the Journey of the Dead Man). Early in this century a Freemason named Peter Kern was ordered to build a highly symbolic "Gate of Death" at a key point on this ancient trail. It was known as the Gate with a Thousand Doors. At the front of this gate Kern was ceremonially murdered (decapitated) by a hooded executioner. Gary Trudeau satirized the Aztec-masonic Comazotz head-chopping cult of the American Southwest in a series of December, 1988 "Doonesbury" cartoons which depicted Skull and Bones initiates trying to dispose of a number of heads including that of Pancho Villa, a key political operative of the cryptocracy who was in fact also ritually decapitated.

Other occult rituals for the Creation and Destruction of Primordial Matter were played out in the general area of the 33rd degree of north parallel latitude in Truth or Consequences, New Mexico. The Trinity Site is also at this latitude. There are 33 segments in the human spinal column which according to occult lore is the vehicle of the fiery ascent of the Kundalini serpent force which resides in the human body. 33 is the highest degree of Scottish Rite Freemasonry. Near the Trinity Site a derelict shack was symbolically dubbed "MacDonald House." The Creation and Destruction of Primordial Matter occurred exactly on the Trinity Site, the "Place of Fire," with the explosion of the first atomic bomb, culminating untold thousands of years of alchemical speculation and practice. The Killing of the King rite was accomplished at another Trinity site located approximately ten miles south of the 33rd degree of north parallel latitude between the Trinity River and the Triple Underpass at Dealey Plaza in Dallas, Texas. Dealy Plaza was the site of the first masonic temple in Dallas. In this spot, which had been known during the 19th century cowboy era as "Bloody Elm Street," the world leader who had become known as the "King of Camelot," President John Fitzgerald Kennedy, was shot to death.

A widely publicized image which has become perhaps the key symbol of the enigma of the Kennedy hoodwink, emerged immediately in the wake of the assassination: a photograph three "tramps" in official custody, who were unexplainably released and never identified, though speculation about who they really were has reached fever pitch among investigators. This photograph is a ritual accompaniment of the Black Mass that was the ceremonial immolation of a king, the unmistakable calling card of masonic murder, the appearance of Jubela, Jubelo and Jubelum, the three "unworthy craftsmen" of Temple burlesque, "that will not be blamed for nothing.' This ritual symbolism is necessary for the accomplishment of what James Shelby Downard and I described in the first edition of Apocalypse Culture, as the alchemical intention of the killing of the 'King of Camelot':

"...the ultimate purpose of that assassination was no political or economic but sorcerous: for the control of the dreaming mind and the marshaling of its forces is the omnipotent force in this entire scenario of lies, cruelty and degradation. Something died in the American people on Nov. 22, 1963 -- call it idealism, innocence or the quest for moral excellence. It is the transformation of human beings which is the authentic reason and motive for the Kennedy murder..."

The seemingly random and senseless slaughter of a President the week before Thanksgiving, by having his head blown apart in those now infamous Zapruder film frames, is the signpost of humanity's entry into what David Cronenberg in his Videodrome Rosicrucian cinematic manifesto termed, "Savage New Times." The search for the three assassins has become a trip up and down Tim Finnegan's ladder, a ladder containing "one false step after another." It is a masonic riddle several magnitudes above the pedestrian, CIA-Mafia-Anti-Castro-Castro-KGB-Texas rightwing etc. etc. political "solutions" pushed by the various books and movies which sometimes only serve to confuse and demoralize us all the more.

Re: "Right To Bear Arms"
« Reply #178 on: July 29, 2008, 10:29:09 AM »
The Alchemy of Ritual Murder

What ought to be unambiguous to any student of mass psychology, is the almost immediate decline of the American people in the wake of this shocking, televised slaughter. There are many indicators of the transformation. Within a year Americans had largely switched from softer-toned, naturally colored cotton clothing to garish-colored artificial polyesters. Popular music became louder, faster and more cacophonous. Drugs appeared for the first time outside the Bohemian subculture ghettos, in the mainstream. Extremes of every kind came into fashion. Revolutions in cognition and behavior were on the horizon, from the Beatles to Charles Manson, from Free Love to LSD. The killers were not caught, the Warren Commission was a whitewash. There was a sense that the men who ordered the assassination were grinning somewhere over cocktails and out of this, a nearly-psychedelic wonder seized the American population, an awesome shiver before the realization that whoever could kill a president of the United States in broad daylight and get away with it, could get away with anything. A hidden government behind the visible government of these United States became painfully obvious in a kind of subliminal way and lent an undercurrent of the hallucinogenic to our reality. Welcome to Oz thanks to the men behind Os-wald and Ruby. There was a transfer of power in the collective group mind the American masses: from the public power of the elected front-man Chief Executive, to an unelected invisible college capable of terminating him with impunity.

For the first time in their history since the 1826 masonic assassination of writer William Morgan, Americans were forced to confront the vertiginous reality of a hidden power ruling their world. Sir James Frazer writing in The Golden Bough: A Study in Magic and Religion, explains that when the "divine king" is murdered by one who is himself stronger or craftier, those powers of "divinity" which were the king's are "Sympathetically" and "Contagiously" transferred from the vanquished to the victor. The entry of this awareness into the subconscious Group "Dreaming" Mind of the American masses instituted a new simulacrum. The shocking introduction of a diametrically different, new "reality" is a classic scenario of another phase of alchemical programming known to the cryptocracy as "Clamores. "

Dave Marsh writing in Rolling Stone magazine (Feb. 24, 1977):

"The Beatles have always had an intimate connection to the JFK assassination. He was shot the week before Thanksgiving 1963. By February 1964, the Beatles were number one in the national charts and the climactic appearance on Ed Sullivan's TV show occurred. Even Brian Epstein (the manager of the Beatles) believed the Kennedy assassination helped their rise -- the Beatles appeared to bind our wounds with their messages of joy and handholding... And the way was paved, replacing Camelot with Oz."

Now the American people were forced to confront a scary alternative reality, the reality of a shadow government, over which they had neither control or knowledge. The shepherding process was thus accelerated with a vengeance. Avant-garde advertising, music, politics and news would hereafter depict (especially in the electronic media) -- sometimes fleetingly, sometimes openly -- a "shadow side" of reality, an underground amoral "funhouse" current associated with extreme sex, extreme violence and extreme speed. The static images of the suit-and-tie talking heads of establishment religion, government, politics and business were subtly shown to be subordinate to the Shadow State, which the American people were gradually getting a bigger glimpse of out of the corner of their collective eye. The interesting function of this phenomenon is that it simultaneously produces both terror and adulation and undercuts any offensive against it among its percipients, which does not possess the same jump-cut speed and funhouse ambiance. There is a sense of existing in a palace of marvels manipulated by beautiful but Satanic princes possessed of so much knowledge, power and experience as to be vastly superior to the rest of humanity. They have been everywhere. They have done everything. They run the show which mesmerizes us. We are determined to watch it. We are transfixed and desperate to see their newest production, their latest thrilling revelation, even when the thrills are solely based upon the further confirmation of our dehumanization.

J.G. Ballard:

"In this overlit realm ruled by images of the space race and the Vietnam War, the Kennedy assassination and the suicide of Marilyn Monroe, a unique alchemy of the imagination was taking place... The demise of feeling and emotion, the death of affect, presided like a morbid sun over the playground of that ominous decade." The role assigned to us is that of zombies called upon by our shadow masters to perform bit parts and act as stock characters in their spectacular show. This mesmerizing process produces a demoralized, cynical, double-mind.

- "Secret Societies and Psychological Warfare," pp. 91-95.

The perpetrators deliberately murdered JFK in such a way as to affect our national identity and cohesiveness -- to fracture America's soul. Even the blatancy of their conspiracy was designed to show their "superiority" and our "futility." "They" were doing to the nation what they had been doing to individuals for years. Looking into the subject of mind-control, one finds that the scope is wide and methods used are sophisticated. Mind control traces its origins to religious institutional use by priesthoods. Techniques of mind control developed in our western culture were field-tested by the Jesuits, certain Vatican groups, and various mystery religions, secret societies and masonic organizations. Methods tested during the Inquisition were refined by Dr. Josef Mengele during the reign of the Third Reich. After World War II, thousands of Nazi scientists, researchers and administrators were "smuggled" into the United States against direct written orders from President Harry S. Truman, through Operation Sunrise, Operation Blowback, Operation Paperclip and other covert ops. Soon afterwards, a mind control project called Marionette Programming imported from Nazi Germany was revived under the new name, "Project Monarch." The basic component of the Monarch program is the sophisticated manipulation of the mind, using extreme trauma to induce Multiple Personality Disorder (MPD), now known as Disassociative Disorder. In public testimony submitted to the President's Committee on Radiation, there are amazing allegations of severe torture and inhumane pogroms foisted upon Americans and other citizens, especially as children. These same children were used in radiation experiments. They detail the drug and traumatic methodology of sophisticated mind control. Candy Jones and Cathy O'Brien tell similar stories of brutal mind control experimentation as part of the CIA's MKULTRA program. Many mind control survivors speak of a "Dr. Greene." Some researchers have identified Dr. Greene as the infamous Dr. Mengele. But mind control programs and assassinations are merely part of a much larger "enterprise" being carried out by an international network of power interests. In 1995, a researcher-lawyer anonymously posted his ten-year investigation of this conspiracy on the Internet. Calling the JFK assassination part of a 50-year conspiracy, he detailed the structure of this international network, which he named "the group." The inner workings and "New World Order" agenda of this group fit snugly with what other researchers have called the Illuminati.

Re: "Right To Bear Arms"
« Reply #179 on: July 30, 2008, 09:23:20 AM »

Mr. Downward's co-researcher and author, Michael A. Hoffman II, wrote in "Secret Societies and Psychological Warfare" that "fabled alchemy had at least three goals to accomplish before the total decay of matter, the total breakdown we are witnessing all around us today, was fulfilled and these are:

  • "The Creation and Destruction of Primordial Matter."
  • "The Killing of the Divine King."
  • "The Bringing of Prima Materia to Prima Terra."

Contrast it to this post

[...] Taboos do not derive from divine prohibition, nor are they justified. They have no known origin. They are punished automatically by "an inner, automatic arrangement." Freud works with an electric body. Tabooed objects radiate a "dangerous power," are "charged," an electricity transmitted by touch. This power is inherent in all persons who are more or less prominent, such as kings, priests and the newly born; in all exceptional physical states, such as menstruation, puberty and birth; in everything sinister, like illness and death, and in everything connected with these conditions by virtue or contagion or dissemination." Freud calls that energy libido, the energy of desire, an energy that binds the subject to the object world, an energy that can be redirected, or displaced, from its original object, concealed and occluded, but never lost. It is an elementary economics.

Freud argues that primitive religion contains the secret, not just of religion, but of modern authority. Freud's representatives of the collectivity -- the kings and priests, "bearers of that mysterious and dangerous magic power which communicates itself by contact, like an electric charge, bringing death and destruction to any one not protected by a similar "charge" bear this energy. When the king touches intentionally, it heals; but when he is touched, it destroys. Arching between sovereign and subject, the energy is munificent; turned about, it blows the circuit box. The taboos surrounding the powerful, which guard their approach through protocol, sequester them in sacred sites, give them great powers, yet hedge in their freedom with a dense web of etiquette originate, Freud argues, in the unconscious hostility, nay the murderous urges, their subjects harbor towards them. Our attitude towards the powerful is ambivalent -- both veneration and hatred, love and a sense of persecution. Through taboo, we protect both them and ourselves from the aggression within us. Taboo's current is alternating, the original meaning of the word being both holy and unclean.


Identification precedes object choice as an affective modality, "being" before "having." Freud argues that the proscribed totem is a projective substitute for the father, the ego ideal, here akin to children who identify with, yet project their hostility towards, and consequent fear of, their fathers on to animals. Through the ceremonial eating of the totem, the members of the clan affirm their consubstantiality, their being of the same substance or kinship, with each other and with the deity. The totemic ritual is then not only a performance of identity with the father; it is also, Freud contends, a violent assimilation, a "having," not a "being." There is, Freud contends, a bloody moment in our history that accounts for this totemic sacrifice, a "great event with which culture began." The democracy of brothers has murderous origins.

This great story goes like this: One day the expelled brothers joined forces, slew and ate the father, and thus put an end to the father horde. Together they dared and accomplished what would have remained impossible for them single... Of course these cannibalistic savages ate their victim. The violent primal father had surely been the envied and feared model for each of the brothers. Now they accomplished their identification with him by devouring him and each acquired a part of his strength. The totem feast, which is perhaps mankind's first celebration, would be the repetition and commemoration of this memorable, criminal act with which so many things began, social organization, moral restrictions and religion. The totemic sacrifice represents the sons' victory over patriarchal power, or in later interpretations when the facticity of the event was suspended, their vanquishing of a perennial desire, not an historical act, to destroy the father, or the father's place. No wonder, Freud argued, the totemic sacrifice, the periodic sacrifice of the most sacred animal, indeed its eating, was always accomplished together, never alone; no wonder it was obligatory. All had to take responsibility for this murder.

The killed animal is first mourned and then celebrated, reflecting the sons' love of the father, an absent father who can now be safely loved, incorporated through identification in the form of the Superego. Freud writes, "The dead now became stronger than the living had been..." This paternal corpse lives on inside of us, but is not of us. Christianity's success, Freud argues, derives from its supreme atonement for this murderous desire, this original sin, the son becoming a god, the children identifying themselves with him by ritual consumption of his body and blood. The social has criminal origins, scenes bloodied by forbidden love and death. The wish to be like the father, to be omnipotent, does not die with the father, but rather grows, becoming "an ideal... having as a content the fullness of power and the freedom from restriction of the conquered primal father, as well as the willingness to subject themselves to him." This father ideal is the basis of the gods and "godlike kings who transfer the patriarchal system to the state." Sacrifice to the gods replaces totemic sacrifice. And to the state, instead of sacrificing totemic animals, we now sacrifice human kind. "It must be said that the revenge of the deposed and reinstated father has been very cruel; it culminated in the dominance of authority." Generalized authority originates in ambivalent death wishes against patriarchal power.