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A BLACK WOMAN Wrote the Matix and Terminator Movies...

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Re: A BLACK WOMAN Wrote the Matix and Terminator Movies...
« Reply #10 on: March 09, 2005, 01:14:46 PM »
This kind of S*** really ticks me off.  I was a fan of the matrix since I watched the 1st movie 5 times in the theatre!!!(yes, i am a dork)  I used to think the two guys who assumed credit for it were pure f**king geniuses.  I was the biggest terminator fan when I was a little kid.  I do think it is kind of odd how this story hasn't received more attention.  You don't stand a chance in the media when you are suing the media. 

I would really like to see the script that Ms. Stewart wrote.

I feel dirty having taken so much enjoyment from watching these movies while Ms. Stewart got the shaft.


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Re: A BLACK WOMAN Wrote the Matix and Terminator Movies...
« Reply #11 on: March 09, 2005, 02:13:41 PM »
i fully feel that the wachowski brother and sister are a couple of cheap hacks. they had us all fooled with the matrix, but then they came out with the rest of the trilogy, which totally sucked ass in every imaginable way.

hell, i don't even own matrix 2 and 3, and i own the dvd of practically every movie that comes out (this is a slight exaggeration, but still). i refuse to buy them because they suck. in my mind the matrix stands alone and is not the member of some trilogy.

Re: A BLACK WOMAN Wrote the Matix and Terminator Movies...
« Reply #12 on: March 09, 2005, 02:27:45 PM »
I don't buy it.  I've seen this story before on many nonreputable forums, but  I can't find it anywhere on any news site.  The original post attempts to explain this:

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"The reason you have not seen any of this in the media is because Warner Brothers parent company is AOL-TimeWarner... this GIANT owns 95 percent of the media... let me give you a clue as to what they own in the media business... New York Times papers/magazines, LA Times papers/ magazines, People Magazine, CNN news, Extra, Celebrity Justice, Entertainment Tonight, HBO, New Line Cinema, Dreamworks, Newsweek, Village Roadshow...

but much of that statement is false.   NYtimes is independently owned by the New York Times Corporation.  NewsWeek is owned by Washington Post Company.    Not to even mention the entire News Corp Co., who owns Fox News channel, who I'm sure would love to take Warner Bros to task for this.  For completeness, here's a complete list of companies under the Time Warner umbrella, compiled by the columbia Journalism Review.

Burning, you cite a case here; I want to believe the text, but can you provide a link of where you got your text from?   The closest I can dig up is this:  http://www.cacd.uscourts.gov/__8825681c00809c4d.nsf/0/f48d924b0f93966d88256f17006b3493?OpenDocument
But it mentions no details of a case or the outcome.  This could just be any lady suing the Brothers.

Also the story mentions the Terminator movies from out of nowhere.  The Wachowski brothers had nothing to do with these movies.   The movies were based on sci fi writer Harlan Ellison's screenplays.

So, for a number of inconsistences, and a lack of primary sources backing it up, I believe this story is false.

Regal_Muse

Re: A BLACK WOMAN Wrote the Matix and Terminator Movies...
« Reply #13 on: March 09, 2005, 02:30:22 PM »
Hmmm....Interesting.

Matrix 2 and 3 does suck, now I understand why.

shiveringjenny

Re: A BLACK WOMAN Wrote the Matix and Terminator Movies...
« Reply #14 on: March 09, 2005, 02:39:59 PM »
I don't buy it.  I've seen this story before on many nonreputable forums, but  I can't find it anywhere on any news site.  The original post attempts to explain this:

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"The reason you have not seen any of this in the media is because Warner Brothers parent company is AOL-TimeWarner... this GIANT owns 95 percent of the media... let me give you a clue as to what they own in the media business... New York Times papers/magazines, LA Times papers/ magazines, People Magazine, CNN news, Extra, Celebrity Justice, Entertainment Tonight, HBO, New Line Cinema, Dreamworks, Newsweek, Village Roadshow...

but much of that statement is false.   NYtimes is independently owned by the New York Times Corporation.  NewsWeek is owned by Washington Post Company.    Not to even mention the entire News Corp Co., who owns Fox News channel, who I'm sure would love to take Warner Bros to task for this.  For completeness, here's a complete list of companies under the Time Warner umbrella, compiled by the columbia Journalism Review.

Burning, you cite a case here; I want to believe the text, but can you provide a link of where you got your text from?   The closest I can dig up is this:  http://www.cacd.uscourts.gov/__8825681c00809c4d.nsf/0/f48d924b0f93966d88256f17006b3493?OpenDocument
But it mentions no details of a case or the outcome.  This could just be any lady suing the Brothers.

Also the story mentions the Terminator movies from out of nowhere.  The Wachowski brothers had nothing to do with these movies.   The movies were based on sci fi writer Harlan Ellison's screenplays.

So, for a number of inconsistences, and a lack of primary sources backing it up, I believe this story is false.

http://www.matrix-explained.com/photopost/showgallery.php?cat=514&page=1&sort=1&perpage=6&=

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Re: A BLACK WOMAN Wrote the Matix and Terminator Movies...
« Reply #15 on: March 09, 2005, 03:14:41 PM »
I imagine this kind of stuff goes on all the time in the movie business.

Re: A BLACK WOMAN Wrote the Matix and Terminator Movies...
« Reply #16 on: March 09, 2005, 03:29:45 PM »
I don't buy it.  I've seen this story before on many nonreputable forums, but  I can't find it anywhere on any news site.  The original post attempts to explain this:

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"The reason you have not seen any of this in the media is because Warner Brothers parent company is AOL-TimeWarner... this GIANT owns 95 percent of the media... let me give you a clue as to what they own in the media business... New York Times papers/magazines, LA Times papers/ magazines, People Magazine, CNN news, Extra, Celebrity Justice, Entertainment Tonight, HBO, New Line Cinema, Dreamworks, Newsweek, Village Roadshow...

but much of that statement is false.   NYtimes is independently owned by the New York Times Corporation.  NewsWeek is owned by Washington Post Company.    Not to even mention the entire News Corp Co., who owns Fox News channel, who I'm sure would love to take Warner Bros to task for this.  For completeness, here's a complete list of companies under the Time Warner umbrella, compiled by the columbia Journalism Review.

Burning, you cite a case here; I want to believe the text, but can you provide a link of where you got your text from?   The closest I can dig up is this:  http://www.cacd.uscourts.gov/__8825681c00809c4d.nsf/0/f48d924b0f93966d88256f17006b3493?OpenDocument
But it mentions no details of a case or the outcome.  This could just be any lady suing the Brothers.

Also the story mentions the Terminator movies from out of nowhere.  The Wachowski brothers had nothing to do with these movies.   The movies were based on sci fi writer Harlan Ellison's screenplays.

So, for a number of inconsistences, and a lack of primary sources backing it up, I believe this story is false.

It's not a story its a court case.  If you have access to lexis nexis, you can look it up for yourself.  The relevant citations are: 2004 U.S. Dist. LEXIS 26606, 2004 U.S. Dist. LEXIS 26607, & 2004 U.S. Dist. LEXIS 266068

Here are the highlights (as I see them):

Sophia Stewart submitted her treatment and manuscript to Twentieth Century Fox in 1981.  The first Terminator was released in 1984.  In 1986, Stewart submitted her treatment and manuscript directly to the Wachowski Brothers and received no response.  In 1999, Stewart learned of the comic book series and film "The Matrix" produced by the Wachowski's and filed a copyright infringement claim with the FBI.  She did not actually file for recovery of damages for the alleged copyright infringement of Matrix and Terminator(s) until 2003.  Fox attempted to dismiss the allegations related to the Terminator citing the statute of limitations.  Denied.

The reasoning behind why the case has gotten little media attention may be speculation, but the facts are the facts.

Regal_Muse

Re: A BLACK WOMAN Wrote the Matix and Terminator Movies...
« Reply #17 on: March 09, 2005, 03:31:51 PM »
I'm not sure why anyone is so surprised. Hollywood is full of theives in suits...I bet half of the material that gets produced isn't even by the original author. Just like rap music, half of the artists out there have ghost writers.

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Re: A BLACK WOMAN Wrote the Matix and Terminator Movies...
« Reply #18 on: March 09, 2005, 05:14:12 PM »
I don't buy it.  I've seen this story before on many nonreputable forums, but  I can't find it anywhere on any news site.  The original post attempts to explain this:

Burning, you cite a case here; I want to believe the text, but can you provide a link of where you got your text from?   The closest I can dig up is this:  http://www.cacd.uscourts.gov/__8825681c00809c4d.nsf/0/f48d924b0f93966d88256f17006b3493?OpenDocument
But it mentions no details of a case or the outcome.  This could just be any lady suing the Brothers.

Also the story mentions the Terminator movies from out of nowhere.  The Wachowski brothers had nothing to do with these movies.   The movies were based on sci fi writer Harlan Ellison's screenplays.

So, for a number of inconsistences, and a lack of primary sources backing it up, I believe this story is false.


Engineer,

First of all, I'm an engineer.  So I feel where you're coming from you want to see proof. Me too.  The case I cited is an actual case. Like Lexington said, if you have access to Lexisnexis.com or Westlaw.com then you can look it up for yourself.  I cut and pasted the summaries exaclty as they appear there.

If you have access to these websites then you can pull any case in any court. But you usually have to be a lawyer or law student to have such access so I don't expect you to have it.  THIS STORY IS NOT FALSE.  I'm in law school, kid.  If it appears in my databanks, its a real life case, rest assured.  I don't study make believe cases.

You asked for a link.  You have to be a member of lexisnexis.com or westlaw.com to be able to see my link.

So join lexisnexis.com and go here:

http://web.lexis.com/lawschoolreg/xlinklogin04.asp?key=5a8781d10315f85a8d7e14b1f8ca7fe3&pp=002&ORIGINATION_CODE=00090&com=2&interface=1&source=6323name%28stewart%20AND%20wachowski%29&search=name%28stewart%20AND%20wachowski%29&autosubmit=yes&tocdisplay=off&topframe=on&powernav=on



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Re: A BLACK WOMAN Wrote the Matix and Terminator Movies...
« Reply #19 on: March 09, 2005, 05:24:08 PM »
BTW, as I mentioned before but it seems to need to be reiterated again, this case is STILL IN PROGRESS.  It has not been decided yet.  This case has made it thru the pleadings phase, the pretrial phase, and has STARTED trial.  It has not received a final judgment yet.