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I'll give you feedback....and I'd like to you to read mine once I put more meat on it.

Studying for the LSAT / Re: Studying=180??
« on: September 29, 2005, 10:14:20 AM »
My mother, who speaks poor English, could not get a 180.

My kid brother, who is in middle school, could not get a 180.

The special ed. kid I tutored in high school could not get a 180.

The statement that anyone could get a 180 is obviously false on many different levels.

Petunia said "anyone" could get a 180.
You're proving "everyone" can't get a 180.

Besides, she was just looking at it as a positive point that people can use to get their personal best, whatever that may be. So no need to turn it into a negative.

Screed, why are you so obsessed with Robin's anatomy?

Studying for the LSAT / Re: LRB vs. Kaplan: Justify/Assumption
« on: September 28, 2005, 01:55:26 PM »
Austen_girl, I just noticed you got a 180 on the LSAT. WOOOOWWWW!

You are right, end of story.

Studying for the LSAT / Re: LRB vs. Kaplan: Justify/Assumption
« on: September 28, 2005, 01:36:30 PM »
Thank you for your detailed response, sometimes it's just not worth it to type out a big long complicated answer, glad you found it interesting enough to do that. It's what I was looking for.

And I agree with you that analyzing and finding what works for you can be more important than what's the "right" way.

Further, I believe you are incorrect in suggesting that you can get the question wrong by using the Kaplan method, and choosing the assumption instead of the assumption plus evidence.Remember, the LSAT never expects you to evaluate likelihood. One choice is right, four are rotten.

Right, but in an "If assumed" question, they may not include the assumption as an answer choice. The answer choice may be One right (the assumption + "extra") and 4 rotten.

In that case, if you know what the assumption is, you have to be prepared to pick an answer that goes beyond the assumption. If you don't know that, you may regard any answer that has more info than the assumption as incorrect.
If the basic assumption is "A -> B", the right answer to a "If assumed" question stem could be "A only if B."

If you were looking for "A -> B", you would regard "A only if B" as wrong because they are logically different. However, if "A only if B" is true, then "A -> B" is also true, so "if assumed", then it is the right answer.
The argument may REQUIRE "A -> B" to properly follow, but "A only if B" could SUFFICE. You may just require a hammer, but a bulldozer would suffice. If you're looking for just the hammer, then you may overlook the bulldozer. Crude analogy, I know, but makes sense to me.

I believe that LRB's sub-categorization is incomplete because it's chosen to characterize one atypical type of assumption that is correct in this sort of question (assumption plus something else), and has ignored the others.

This is probably because there are several "If assumed" questions on the LSAT, and you need to approach those differently due to the example above. LRB is just addressing the types of question stems that are typical.

I may be way off base, would love your thoughts.

Studying for the LSAT / Re: Experimental section
« on: September 28, 2005, 01:14:35 PM »
Right, #9 that they threw about Job....

I spent a good amount of time on that one, too, coming back to it later.

Goes to show you, don't spend too much time on any one Q!

Studying for the LSAT / Re: Experimental section
« on: September 28, 2005, 06:11:21 AM »
To the OP: the scenario you described is exactly what happened to me during the June test. My 1st was LR, and 2nd was an RC that I totally rocked. I was feeling really positive, assuming that that was the real RC (All the Krapplan diags I took had LG as the experimental).

Then I flipped to section 3, and Krapped my pants when I saw that it was another RC. Turns out it was the real RC. And much more difficult than the 2nd, experimental section.

And yes, it sucked. Digesting 8 passages, the way I do RC, is really really tough, cause I plow through the passages and really understand the concepts in a passage before hitting the questions. I got 6 wrong on RC, much more than my average.

It can happen, and it's not pleasant.

Studying for the LSAT / Re: This Saturday Test Hard
« on: September 28, 2005, 12:25:49 AM »
Well, all smart ass responses aside, I really don't know how the writers change the test based on previous performance.

In fact, I would guess they don't. There seem to be trends, that LG's are getting easier and RC's are getting harder, so they may continue.

Of course, they could be playing psychological games and just setting us up for a really hard LG section.

The test makers are way ahead of us, and even though their actions can be understood (ie, if this time the LG is super hard, or an LR section is super hard, we can say they knew they'd be unpredictable), their actions can't be predicted.

I think it will be a reasonable LSAT test, as all LSAT tests have to be. Good luck.

Studying for the LSAT / Re: This Saturday Test Hard
« on: September 28, 2005, 12:16:59 AM »
Just chill boy...

You ask a stupid know the rest.

Anyways, I really do think it's going to be impossible.

Studying for the LSAT / Re: This Saturday Test Hard
« on: September 28, 2005, 12:08:31 AM »
It's going to be impossible.

Studying for the LSAT / LRB vs. Kaplan: Justify/Assumption
« on: September 27, 2005, 11:57:41 PM »
I went through the Krapplan course in prep for the June test, and now have gone through LRB for the Oct test. I can't believe Krapplan never distinguishes between Justify and Assumption questions the way LRB does. For Kaplan, anytime it says assume in the stem, it means it's an assumption, whereas LRB makes a distinction: if it says, "The conclusion follows if which one of the following is assumed" then it's actually a Justify question, and if folks are looking for an Assumption answer, they *could* get it wrong.

Am I right about this? People who are familiar w/ both Kaplan and LRB, you may know what I'm talking about, I'd love to get feedback on this.

So the right answer to a Justify stem *could* be the assumption, but it could be the assumption plus additional info. In fact, sometimes, the right Justify answer can be the same as an Assumption answer, but sometimes it can be a lot stronger; for example, adding an "only if" when an "if" would have sufficed.
Can someone verify that I am thinking of the LRB way correctly? Or is it 2 am and time for bed?

I just think that folks looking for the right answer using the Kaplan way would go past answers that are too strong.

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