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How did we go from talking about Widener Law to talking about cats?  Seriously.

I was really inspired by YankyKitten's enthusiasm about working together to improve Widener's ranking.  That is the way law students need to think.  However, the big problem that I have with Widener is that the administration there does not share the same enthusiasm to pursue greatness.

drhomers' post was great, yet it also highlights what I am talking about here.  Class registration a hassle?  It should be automated and internet accessible like it is at many schools already.  Professors not preparing students for the bar?  Those professors should be called into a board meeting and have their teaching practices overhauled.  Students cheating and hiding books?  Widener should have an all-student symposium at the beginning of the year to discuss these issues, encourage students to come forward and report these things when they happen, and establish a disciplinary dean to deal with those students who are destroying a good atmosphere.  This would result in more students wanting to stay instead of transferring out of the madness.

It seems to me that Widener is plagued with a sh*tty administration.  Instead of dealing with attrition and bar-passage problems with creative and effective approaches, they instead erect hurdles like low-grade curves, mandatory attendance for classes, and enticing tenure possibilities to attract professors with nice degrees, but poor teaching skills.  And by not addressing the problems concerning cheating and student behavior they are limiting networking and student interaction.  That destroys their alumni network, and it keeps alumni from having pride in their school and wanting to contribute to make it a better place.

So, the question is..  How are all of you planning to deal with these awful problems while "biting the bullet and going to Widener"?

Will any of you be pursuing any of Widener's certificate programs?

I'm from out west and I'd like to hear whatever you all have on Widener.  The more info to decide upon, the better.

So, what is there for a person to like about Widener?

What are its strengths as a law school?

What is the best surrounding State to by a condo/townhome/house in (MD, DE, NJ, PA)?

Whatever else you have on Widener, and why it should be considered as a viable option would be helpful.

I'm with twarga.  On a basic level, I think worrying for too long about the tier of my law school is a luxury problem.  I want to be a lawyer, I'm getting a chance to do that...I'm happy.  Beyond that, I have had opportunities to talk to teachers, students, and even administrative staff members at Widener, and I have been nothing but impressed with their personalities and accomplishments.

I know Widener is not a top-tier school.  I know this may and probably will affect me, and likely even prove a disadvantage at some points in the game.  I know there's no guarantee that I'm going to "beat the odds" and be in the top whatever percent, and I know their curve is a cruel, cruel thing.  I know that going for the T4 is not the route for everyone (particularly people who may already have established careers) and that I'm *very* lucky to have been given a big assist in scholarship form.  But it's the route I'm trying -- one I'm *choosing*, not one I'm settling for -- and I'm proud to be able to tell people where I'll be in the fall.

But first you say that rank/prestige is a "luxury problem", and then go on to describe how it will be a real factor when you move from law school into the "real world".  That doesn't sound like a luxury problem to me.  Sounds more like realistic consequences that this degree will carry with it.

Ergo, my title of this thread:  "...biting the bullet"

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: $93,000 Cost of Attendance? Huh?
« on: April 12, 2005, 12:07:42 PM »
I'd had just left it as is and just accepted less in private loans when the time came to confirm my award.

The good thing about a large expected amount is that it raises the bar for grants and fed. loans.  I hope that by them shrinking the amount you don't end up getting shortchanged on your grant or federal loans.

Why doesn't your boyfriend just move to where the better law school is?  I wouldn't think twice about doing that for the woman I loved if it meant that she would be more successful down the road, and more happy at the current time.

The way I see it, unless he is making $300,000 as a corporate executive and moving would destroy his career, he needs to decide based on what you are doing, NOT the other way around.

You should ask him if he is willing to do this for you.  I'm sure that it would really shed some light on what his intentions are for the long-term.

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: IBM laptop question
« on: April 12, 2005, 12:00:30 PM »
You have to follow the link above, and click "customize".  Scroll down to the warranty options.


Hurley-Excellent post, however I think you rates on student loans are a bit low. Federally subsidized loans are around there, but that is only 18.5k a year. Private loans can be much higher especially if you have no cosigner. I know personally I have decent credit(over 700), but no cosigner and the lowest non-federal loan I can find is around 6 or higher. 

Yes, giffy, you are right about interest rates for private loans being higher.  From what I read it looked like the OP was referring to undergraduate debt, which is almost never privately backed.

I am referring to federal (subsidized/unsubsidized) with that percentage, and from my last conversation with my lender it is right around 2.2-2.6%, depending on whether the borrower is in grade, deferrment, or payback period.

My friend has about 45k in school-loan debt, and he got a deal thorugh his lender where his reconsolidation locked him in at somewhere between 2.33% and 2.6%.  The really sweet part of the deal is that if he signs up for online bill pay, his rate automatically drops to around 1.9%.  Then, if he makes ontime consecutive payments for 36 months, he gets a ONE FULL PERCENTAGE point drop.  So, he'll only be paying around 1% on his loans after a few years go by.

I'd say that this is a sweet deal, yet unfortunately some people don't even do the research to get these incentives.  I guess that is why companies like Sallie Mae are good to buy stock in.  They receive tons of income from borrowers who don't ask questions.

And by the way, you all should lock in a low rate and consolidate soon, because Congress just voted to make things tougher.  On July 1st the rates will go up, so call your lenders ASAP.

Yes, you are correct that you need to pay the plummer whenever a pipe breaks, or buy a new window if a kid hits a baseball through it..  BUT.....

Every Jan./Feb. you get a HUGE tax return, which you can just stick in the bank and use for catching up on bills, paying the extra fees associated with your buy vs. rent difference, or put it away to pay the plummer, or the window man, when the time comes.

There are also some States that will allow you to deduct a percentage of house-related repairs and upgrades from your taxes.  Check with your local tax office for more info on that.

And Chapman didn't make it into the tier 3.

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: Chapman Law School
« on: April 11, 2005, 11:44:01 PM »
Did you get into Chapman Law?

Also, how did Chapman do on the updated USNews rankings?

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