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looks like there was a ton of movements for several schools...

Wow, Davis took a huge hit in the ranking this year. 

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: UC Hastings v US Davis
« on: March 25, 2008, 05:51:55 PM »
You're right, both schools place well in California with Davis having an edge in Sacramento and Hastings having an edge in San Francisco.  You are incorrect, however, that the environment at Hastings is more competitive than other law schools, including Davis.  That may have been true at one time (90's?), but not anymore.  If you want to work in SF both schools will work well, but Hastings does have an edge... not to mention a larger and stronger alumni network nationwide.  I cannot stress enough that Hastings is not a hotbed for competitive gunners types.. that is simply misguided lore from another era.

Evaluate both schools based on employment prospects upon graduation and opportunities while enrolled.

PM me if you have any questions!

If everyone offered your perspective it'd be an easy decision. I just gotta wonder why I hear all the things I posted about Hastings not from one person, but from multiple people. I agree the guy from the 90s might not know what Hastings is like now, but the others are  current Hastings students or people who are at other law schools currently. I'm really trying to like Hastings. I'm a Bay Area native as I said, so I know SF > every other city in America, and maybe the world... I really believe that.

What I did make clear is the Hastings grads get amazing jobs. There is a consensus on that. Some people don't care about all the silly nit picky things I care about. If so Hastings is a great choice. I'm just not sure if it's right for me. Didn't mean to come across as anti-Hastings (as life would have it I'll probably have a change of heart in a week and become a Hastings troll).

And LMAO at the Hastings mascot being a Shark. How fitting.

Sorry if my post came across as a personal attack, that was not my intention.  It's just upsetting to hear about a cutthroat environment that simply does not exist (at least does not exist disproportionally to any other law school). 

I think the cutthroat lore is just something passed down between each successive admission pool despite a lack of 'proof.'  Most of the cutthroat talk when I applied and researched schools between 2005 and 2007 came from people that never attended the school, but were passing the info along as a service.  I suspect that this is probably still the case.  If you are still in the Bay Area I'd be glad to give you a personal tour of the campus and act as an intermediary and introduce you to real students...

Law School Admissions / Re: Whats the cutoff for T1, T2....T4?
« on: March 24, 2008, 12:48:13 AM »
generally, when people refer to T1, T2, T3, T4, they are talking about the first 50, second 50, third 50, and whatever's left on the USNWR rankings.  there are people who argue that T1 should be understood as the top 25 or the top 14 (there's a group known as the top 14 for some bizarre reason), but people generally refer to those as T25 or T14.

This is essentially correct for the tiers, though I believe T3 and T4 do not have exactly 50 schools.  As for the top 14 schools, when I applied to law school legend has (had?) it that they have always been in the top 14...

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: UC Hastings 1L taking questions
« on: March 24, 2008, 12:41:44 AM »
thebiggdawg55:  All the classrooms are very nice and modern with power outlets for you laptop for every seat.  Wifi over the whole campus, yes.  The library just underwent an extensive renovation and is less than 1 year old.  it's pretty sweet.  The  My one complaint is that it the classrooms do have a bit of an institutional feel... lots of white.  but almost everything (computers, library, classrooms, refrigerators, microwaves, bathrooms) is new.  The one thing that is NOT new are the lockers.  Functionally the lockers are 100% fine, but they are a funky brown or green color. yuck. 

DLNY: (In addition to information from the post below yours) Give the career services office a call and see what kind of employment opportunities await.  The Alumni Network at UCH is one of the largest and strongest in the country.

Please don't forget that UC Hastings is connected with a larger institution called the University of California, just not an undergraduate campus.  Lawyers nationwide are familiar with UC Hastings and lawyers are responsible for hiring at firms.  If you need recognition from someone outside the legal world to validate your choice in law schools, then feel free to factor BCS rankings, basketball programs, and mascots into your choice.

Why do you think Hastings will be "3 years in hell?"  I don't know a lot about the school, but you're in the middle of one cf the coolest cities in the world.

I love San Fran. I grew up in the Bay Area. I might be the biggest 49ers fan in the world. Unfortunately, despite that, a lot of things make me wary of Hastings:

1) Alumni and current student reactions. I've talked to people who are current students at Hastings, as well as one of their former student body President's, and I always hear basically the same thing. "It's cutthroat" "The grading curve is one of the toughest in the nation." "The school is intense." "A lot of the students are assholes." "You can feel the competition by just being there". Only the former prez mentioned all the times he got drunk with fellow students... after he mentioned the "super competitive" atmosphere.

2) Another thing I heard was "There isn't really a campus life". The former prez did acknowledge that the lack of campus life (other than their 'beer at the beach' event once a month) wasn't as bad as it may seem, because you can hang out at other people's apartments and you have all of San Fran, "The City", as it is called, at your disposal. That would be cool, but having lived in SF my whole life, it's kind of a 'been there, done that' deal in my case. Also, the 'campus' is just two buildings and the tower of dorms. As soon as you leave one of these buildings you are in the Tenderloin, ie the hood. It's the shadiest part of SF. I'm not a big fan of that fact.

3) The school is not attached to a large scale university. Most law students don't care about this. Many even prefer it, because there are 'no stupid undergrads' around to actually enjoy their lives and cause noise that would distract from studying. For me, this is huge. Even though my undergrad was a large public school, it was set up in a way that made it contrary to the 'college experience'. The biggest thing was there were no D1 sports, no football team, and no greek row. This had a HUGE negative effect on student morale. I don't need a greek row at this point in my life, but few things in the world make me happier than football. It's hard to explain to someone who isn't into sports, or even a casual fan. Football is my life outside of school. At one point I even wanted to be a coach. And it keeps me centered. I always perform best academically when I am surrounded by football. I KNOW that I will perform better at an institution with a football team to help release my stress on Saturdays. That's just the way I am. Hastings, being a stand alone law institution, doesn't even have a MASCOT to my knowledge. I'd hate to have no pride in my undergrad AND law school, being a person who is very prideful in his affiliations.

4) I always hear of students turning down Hastings for lower ranked schools, which is odd. In the past year I have met four students who chose T2 USD over Hastings, citing quality of life as their main concern. US News wise that is a 50 spot drop. I've talked to them since then (one is a 1L, the others are 3Ls) and they are ALL CONVINCED THEY MADE THE RIGHT DECISION. That's kinda scary. I'd pick Hastings over USD every day of the week, so it's a little disconcerting that all these kids are taking lower ranked schools over Hastings and doing so with a smile on their face.

Hastings grads do get amazing jobs though, like the OP said. If you go there you're pretty set. If you don't care about all the things I do, Hastings will put you on a great career path.

A lot of the facts in this post are inaccurate and I am jumping in to set the record straight (at least from this Hasting 1L's perspective).

1) Rigor. Yes the grading curve is rough, but it's not really a big deal (except for the ego).  Employers know you cannot compare grades from school to school so they take the curve into account.  As for the talk about Hastings being super competitive, that is just silly.  It was probably competitive at one point in time (90's?)... but not any more.  My section is pretty laid back and people share class notes freely.  Based on my discussions with friends at other bay area schools, Hastings is as competitive, or less competitive.  It's rigorous, not cutthroat.  This is law school, not undergrad, and you will have to deal with rigor no matter what law school you choose.

2) Campus life.  Beer on the beach is every other week, not monthly.  The student organizations are very active and there are tons of things to do.  There is a lot to do within the campus community: sports (soccer, basketball), every week there is a bar review type thing sponsored by a student orgs... there are pizza parties, ice cream socials, bingo, talks, and all sorts of crap all the time (e.g. weekly).  The campus life is very active....  As for the tenderloin, you are on the EDGE of the tenderloin, not dead center so that is a false comparison.  Also, SF as a whole is a fantastic and diverse city.

3) Stand alone school.  While Hastings does have a mascot (the Shark),  you are correct about the lameness of not being attached to an undergrad institution. well said. I really wish we were associated with an undergrad institution.  rooting for the soccer club to beat Boalt or Stanford's soccer club is simply not the same as real college sports.

4) ??  If your friends are turning down Hastings for lower ranked schools, I would consider getting new friends.  USD grads cannot compete with those at the mid-bottom of Hastings' class.  Sorry, but the Hastings name travels well throughout the State (and to a less degree nationally).  Other, lower ranked schools like USD, do not have the same name recognition.  The top few percentage points of USD grads can compete with us, but beyond that it's not even close.

In sum, I chose Hastings over other similarly ranked schools (+/- 15 spots), and am glad I did so.  UC Hastings prepares you for legal practice and gives you the theoretical training necessary to perform well in many situations.  Our alumni network is one of the strongest in the nation and the opportunities available to Hastings grads are competitive with other schools within the State and Nation.  The students are phenomenal and I'm glad to associate myself with such a diverse group of intelligent and accomplished students.  I don't mind when people weigh characteristics of law schools, but please make sure you have the correct facts and are not relying on decade old information. 

Hopefully this helps some of those wandering 0Ls out there.. feel free to PM me or post in this thread. I don't check LSD very often, but I will do my best to keep an eye on this thread for the next few weeks. 

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: UC Hastings 1L taking questions
« on: November 04, 2007, 08:18:55 PM »
the information is accurate, but it did sound like a commercial.

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: UC Hastings 1L taking questions
« on: October 25, 2007, 08:53:40 PM »
The location of the school is at the very outer edges of the Tenderloin so it's really not that bad where we're at as long as you don't stray a couple blocks north. Going east or west   on McAllister is fine since Market is the next street south. I honestly have never felt threatened. You'll learn soon enough what streets not to walk down on certain times of the night. Other than that, I agree with lawgirl. Just be smart and you'll do okay.

Is the school one building? What is the food like in the surrounding area?

The school is housed in two buildings.  One building (198) is mostly classrooms and the other building (200) has administrative offices, faculty offices and our brand new three floor library (which is awesome).  Both have lots of study space.

Here is a link to both of them. The 200 building is on the left and the 198 building is on the right.  Down the street is student housing located in "the Tower.",+San+Francisco,+CA+94102&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=32.527387,68.115234&ie=UTF8&ll=37.781224,-122.415188&spn=0.00099,0.002079&t=h&z=19&om=1

There are a bunch of good spots to eat in the immediate area (sandwiches, pizza, mexican, etc.) Also, muni is one block away which will get anywhere within the city.

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: Hastings versus Loyola??
« on: October 19, 2007, 11:50:53 AM »
obviously I have a bias, but Hastings is the better choice. 

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