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Choosing the Right Law School / Re: Help me choose USC or NYU
« on: April 17, 2008, 08:30:31 AM »
if you're raising a family here, then stay. Otherwise, the other posters are probably right. Dangle the acceptance and try and get some good money from USC. If they don't, I'd pick NYU. That's hard for me to say since I hate New York and love USC, but it's probably the better choice... especially if you're okay with NYC.

Also inquire about USC's scholarship program where they assure you a job at a top law firm/disney/warner brothers at market rate (over 3k per week) over the summer. That's some serious cash.

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: USC 1L Answers Questions
« on: April 17, 2008, 08:22:54 AM »
one last bump before admit day. Any questions before you get here? If you're around, go to the diversity reception. I understand it's open bar, and I'll be there along with lots of other 1Ls. I won't be around for most of the Friday stuff because I'm heading out of town, but I'm sure that you'll have a good time (although it is exceptionally long)

I'll be there,
just got into LA.
parking suggestions? or just use the lot?

hmm good question. Did they not mention anything about parking in the stuff they sent you? It seems like they'd have parking available somewhere. If not, then parking during the day is 8 dollars for the day in one of the parking structures. There's street parking that's metered on week days you can do as well.

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: USC 1L Answers Questions
« on: April 16, 2008, 02:41:58 PM »
one last bump before admit day. Any questions before you get here? If you're around, go to the diversity reception. I understand it's open bar, and I'll be there along with lots of other 1Ls. I won't be around for most of the Friday stuff because I'm heading out of town, but I'm sure that you'll have a good time (although it is exceptionally long)

USC with or without $$$. 

It's the second largest city in the country, and USC is the just-slightly-2nd-place school in the region.  The contacts you can make, particularly if you read Matthies threads ;-) are clearly superior to BC.  Plus, I've lived in Boston, and you and I both being Eastern Canadian gals (well, granted I'm just pseudo Canandian) SoCal beats Beantown hands down.  Besides, it's Newton, not Boston, and that's all the negatives with no benefits. Plus, while planning for USC and maybe a WL in the area will open up and it won't be such a hassle.  Go to USC.  Really.

The issue of "making connections" through a person's alumni affiliations is completely overtalked; school affiliation, in my experience, seems to play a less significant role in making connections than, say, a person's personality and demeanor.

Another point: you said it yourself frybead: you do have a tendency to romanticize US cities. Who is to say you are not romanticizing los angeles? I have lived here (LA) for the past 12 months (SF valley) and, frankly, this place can be miserable. The state and city tax everything, the traffic is the worst in the country, and housing and rental prices are exorbitant. Without a doubt, it'd be somewhat nifty to live here during law school (it'd sure by easy when your rent when your monthly living expenses are doled out by loan agencies); but my biggest concern is: what would live after law school be like?

You have NOT lived in LA my friend. San Fernando Valley is a place you drive though and perhaps stop by to get gas. Move  to the west side.

I don't see what point you are trying to make. The OP will not be living on the westside if he/she goes to usc. And, besides, the argument you're making is like saying that someone hasn't lived in boston if they've only lived in Newton (and not on beacon street).

You won't be able to own sh*t on the westside coming out of law school. And my whole point is that LA is not a place you want to end up after law school. Sure, los angeles has great places to live; if you want to pay through the nose for a rental, then go for it...

Lots of my friends live on the west side. Anyway, this thread wasn't designed to talk about the highlights of LA versus Boston. Personally, I'm not much of a fan of LA, but that's by far the minority view in my class. Many people love it. Your idea of what's good and what's not doesn't have to match up with theirs.

USC completely and totally. but then again, i'm biased. If you want LA and you're not going to a top 10 school, USC is going to give you the best options (yeah, yeah, UCLA will be fine too).

More seriously, BC is a great school, and if you're looking to practice in Boston it'd be a no-brainer the other way. But that doesn't seem to be the case. The debt is, of course, an issue.

Personal opinion: If the difference will be 100k or more total debt at the end of your three years, I'd say go with Boston. Less than that, stick with USC.

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: USC 1L Answers Questions
« on: April 13, 2008, 01:46:41 PM »
How difficult is it to land a nice job in DC/NYC market if you were so inclined?

it's a good question that i wish I knew a better answer for. I don't think it's difficult to land either in terms of getting hired, but the internal structure for getting those jobs isn't well established. In other words, while I think firms in NY/DC will be perfectly happy to hire USC students, there's not a long history and connection to the school, so it's a bit harder to find the jobs and so forth.

If you absolutely know you want to go east coast after, I'd go somewhere closer to there. I don't necessarily think you're at a disadvantage, but you're going to have to put in more effort to find the jobs and that kind of thing.

That said, we have sort of an external OCI (contradiction, i know) in DC and NY with a few other schools (such as UCLA) in those cities over the summer.

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: USC 1L Answers Questions
« on: April 12, 2008, 07:21:24 AM »
i'll bump this. By the way, if you're coming to admit day, go to the diversity thing. I didn't go last year, but my friends who did said that it was a lot of fun and not just for minority students. Also, I'd encourage you to stay for the open bar thing afterwards on Saturday. Since USC tells all the students via email that there's an open bar event at that time, it's probably your best opportunity to ask current students questions. I also talked to a couple of the professors, and you can see how easy and comfortable it is to talk to the majority of them.

Unfortunately, I'm flying home Friday after class, so I'll miss those of you coming for the big admit day.

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: USC 1L Answers Questions
« on: March 31, 2008, 03:25:24 PM »
I thought you might be a good person to ask this to since you are familiar with both University of Michigan and SC.

For somebody that is 99% sure about working in LA, would you take SC with a 1/2ride over Michigan? I have visited both schools and liked the student populations, the academics opportunities and was impressed with their general atmosphere. I guess the major consideration I'm debating is which school places me better in LA's top firms and whether with the additional seventy thousand I would have to pay, Michigan would still outweigh SC. Any thoughts?

First a disclaimer: I come from a fair amount of money, and I'll be able to graduate with very little debt. This may color my decision making process.

USC is a great place, and I will encourage people to come to it. However, I would go to Michigan if I were you unless you plan on doing something like public interest or really, really don't like the cold. USC places extremely well in LA, but you'll be at no disadvantage within LA from Michigan, and should you decide to go elsewhere, the degree travels better.

So that's my advice. I don't think you can go wrong either way, and I love my school. But if the choice were mine, I'd pick Michigan.

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: USC 1L Answers Questions
« on: March 31, 2008, 07:07:45 AM »
Did you just give up on them, or did you try and hold out for very long?

My LSN is actually pretty detailed on this, but it really varied. I didn't even turn in the response card for BC. I turned in a response thing for GW, but I never wrote a follow up letter or anything that might have helped me get in. This is the same with UCLA because I had visited USC and loved it, and I didn't think I'd be able to make another LA visit to change my mind should I get in.

I tried somewhat hard for Cornell, Texas and Michigan. Cornell I sent a couple of letters of continued interest. Texas I sent a couple of more detailed letters of continued interest. Michigan I tried so very hard to get off the wait list. Multiple continued letters of interest plus I talked to them about deferring for a year and starting this coming summer if it'd get me off the wait list. I think this worked for someone on here last year, but it did not work for me. That said, Michigan was by far the best school I worked with. Sometimes I have regrets about not going to Texas (that's where all my family is) but this is pretty rare. But the only school that I still would have made the same decision based on what I know now is Michigan.

Also, were you a Texas resident during your application cycle?

Yes I am as well as a four time, three generation law school legacy (they must have gotten tired of us!) I didn't take it personally, but the same isn't true of my grandfather who I believe took them out of his will. Ah gramps.

Do you recall when you heard back from UT?

They sent an update in... July I think. And then told me they had filled their spots late August.

I'll be at the ASD in April, do you know much about it? I've been trying to get info from USC, but they haven't gotten back to me yet.

USC runs a slick, slick admit day. By far the best done of the schools I visited. It's also the longest that I attended which can get a bit boring with all the panels and speakers, but welcome to law school. You get served a three-course meal with white table clothes and stuff and there's an open bar where you can talk to professors and stuff at the end. These two things are actually fairly common occurrences.

1) What is the curve at USC? and how has it affected your grades?

The curve is set at 3.2, but it appears the professors have just about as much leeway as they want with the deviation. Some profs had virtually everyone between a 3.1 and a 3.3 while others had only a couple within that range.

2) What does your typical week schedule look like? (hours reading/studying etc)
This varies, but whether or not you have a writing assignment due and whether finals are close or not really determines the schedule (I believe this is universal across law schools). For example, I'm answering questions because I have an appeals brief due in a couple of hours.

Work isn't terrible. You can certainly do all the reading very quickly (all except con law which is voluminous), but that doesn't necessarily assure a great understanding of it. I'd say if I'm doing well, I do about 2-3 hours of reading every day. When finals approach, I outline by hand (this is uncommon) and it takes me a long time, usually a pretty full weekend day per class.

3) Do you have any insight as to how difficult it is to obtain biglaw jobs in LA coming out of USC?

Easy. Or at least that's the way it appears. As I mentioned before, there are 2Ls who are doing big law who have told me they weren't in the top half of their class. If you have a boring/abrasive personality, it will be significantly harder to get big law.

4) Im thinking about living in the Medici in downtown LA for my first u think commuting from downtown will be an issue for a 1L?

Commuting from downtown will not be an issue at all. I'm moving to the Orsini next year which is a sister complex to the Medici. It's a nice place.

5) Any idea if UCLA has a curve?? just curious

Yes it does. I don't know what the curve is set at, but it definitely has one. This is true of virtually all law schools not named Boalt or Yale.

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: USC 1L Answers Questions
« on: March 30, 2008, 01:46:15 PM »
Well, no one I know lives South of Campus. But if you want to take a look at the area that you'd be frequenting to park, go to lunch (Chipotle, Quiznos, Panda Express, Coffee Bean, etc.) then try using street view on googlemaps,-118.282649&cbp=1,86.71793388429756,,0,-5.101926994611734&ll=34.028335,-118.279753&spn=0.021055,0.051155&z=14

hopefully that'll work and show the parking structure virtually everyone parks at.

this is the "lovely" law school:,-118.283976&cbp=1,341.40082644627915,,0,-8.952534660687941&ll=34.028691,-118.28104&spn=0.021055,0.051155&z=14

So take a look around that area. Obviously looks can be deceiving, but it can go some way to show what you'll actually be experiencing.


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