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Choosing the Right Law School / Re: National Law School
« on: July 05, 2006, 01:43:52 AM »
Fast Buck?   Have you seen our tuition?  The tuition we receive goes right back into educating the students.  I wish you could think of our program as a professional licensure course.  It allows you to become a lawyer in California.  It is true our school has not been ABA Approved, but as I stated, you have to be in operation for atleast a year before even applying for ABA approval.

Unless you can get into a top tier law school or receive top marks at your ABA law school, it is going to be a huge fight to initially get a job.  Anyways, National has nothing but the best of intentions and we hope many of our students will be just as capable as you top ABA graduates.

Doug Marcus

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: National Law School
« on: July 05, 2006, 01:35:09 AM »
National Law School hates students dropping out or failing out.

Students who score high on the LSAT, show us they are motivated to study law and will be in the program for the duration.

We always encourage students to take the LSAT and love to see them score high.

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: National Law School
« on: July 05, 2006, 01:31:52 AM »
It takes atleast a 144 to get into Cooley and each year it goes up and up.  In the next few years, only a high 140's on the LSAT will get you into Cooley.

More or less, even a 150 isn't going to get you into alot of places.  Cooley loves to enroll alot of 1st year students, have a curve which fails out 20% or more of the students.  It is a huge money game alot of lower tier law schools play, they enroll so many 1st year students knowing they will far or drop out, if they all went on to the 2nd year, they couldn't fit them.

Lastly, practicing law ans going to law school are two totally different things.  If you got a very high LSAT, that is a wonderful accomplishment, and shows me real dedication.  

I don't doubt that that many "great" lawyers will score in the 140's and 150's.

Doug Marcux

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: National Law School
« on: July 05, 2006, 01:25:06 AM »
I strongly disagree with you sir.  In California, a school like has close to a 50% pass rate, which is where alot of ABA schools are in California.  From the stats I have from the State Bar of California, Online law students are doing just as well as 2nd tier ABA schools.  The model has already been proven by Concord, they are owned by Kaplan, the guys you probably paid all that money too for their pre course so you could score so high on the LSAT.  

You forget to realize some students are not 22.  Out tuition is $10,000 per year, but goes down depending on your LSAT score and undergraduate GPA.

For someone who is 40 years old, has children and this is their life long dream, what do you expect them to do?  I speak to students all the time, who tell me they same story that this was always their dream, they never had a chance to go, and this is a great opportunity for them. You say the student is no better off, but they have a Juris Doctorate degree and can now be a member of the California State Bar, which opens up so many doors.

Doug Marcus

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: National Law School
« on: July 05, 2006, 01:09:07 AM »
Why do you think so many people settle?  Because one side has already written a complaint, has a very strong legal argument and going to court is going to cost alot of money and time.  People settle all the time, but you still have to know your legal argument and get someone to put it down on paper.  You can have someone else do the writing and research, but a good lawyer can always see their legal argument and will put the other side into a position where they want to settle.  You need to know what you are doing, these companies just do not settle anymore.

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: National Law School
« on: July 05, 2006, 12:57:43 AM »
I totally disagree.  A student with above average intelligence who does not study and train for the LSAT is going to score in the 140's and probably not get into Cooley.  I feel the top scores on the LSAT determine who should get into the top schools, however the 140 and 150 students could actually be great lawyers who just didn't care enough to prepare for the LSAT.  

an ABA school is not for everyone.  What happens to those students who can not afford it, who can't go into debt to go to school, who do not have the time to travel to an ABA school etc?  Should they all be denied a legal education.

What will happen, is justice will become much more available.  You can literally replicate the entire clerk's office online, alot of the court calls can be done online, and eventually more and more people wil file cases.  

The problem is, not enough cases.  Do you have how many idea how many cases are never brought to court?  

Doug Marcus

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: National Law School
« on: July 05, 2006, 12:50:37 AM »
When you get out there and start working, I don't want you to underestimate a lawyer who went to a Non-ABA school or is even Pro Se.  I once saw a student ask for injunctive relief and actually got a TRO against a huge law firm.  The student was immediatly able to go back to school.

legal elements are legal elements, and if you can prove them even a Pro Se lawyer can get a TRO, a writ of replevin, be awarded a huge judgement or even get a jury conviction overturned.

Doug Marcus

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: National Law School
« on: July 05, 2006, 12:42:33 AM »
We really want to do this.  How many applications are received v. rejected each year?  Every year the admission index goes up and up, the ABA mandates it.  You can not keep your standards at the same level, you have to keep raising them, which weeds more and more people out of the law school's.  I understand you feel their are too many lawyers out there, job competition is so intense these days.

As for our page rank, here is a great article on how google page rank works out there.

Doug Marcus

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: National Law School
« on: July 05, 2006, 12:34:25 AM »
.edu names are now only given to school accreddited by a federal accredditing body.  We could go ahead with that road, but as you know the only accreditation which will mean anything to our students is the ABA.  The ABA will not even look at our application until we have been in operation for a year.  Every law school has to start off as a Non-ABA Approved school, there is no way to open a school and be ABA approved from day one, we all have to start off that way.  National Law School has extensive experience with software development, and will build a virtual class room model using both online and seated class time to satisfy ABA requirements.  Read the ABA standards, they allow for online course work.  At some point when we are ABA approved, we will then register If you were going to start a law school, what would you call it?  

As for the Dean, I am not even going to attempt to defend him to you.  He is a very well respected lawyer, and has only gotten into arbitration and mediation recently.  His number is on our web site, I encourage you to speak to him directly if you have any doubt to his qualifications or determination.

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: National Law School
« on: July 05, 2006, 12:25:08 AM »
you have never heard of a national school before?  Like is your school national, regional or local?

Anyways, I can just share my litigation expierience.  Half the battle is knowing the process of filing a complaint, all the motions you could possible file, the legal elements you need to prove etc.  The second part is seeing the legal reasoning behind your argument.  If it is a telephone harassment case, and the witness testifies there was a 15 second pause before any words were spoken, you immediatly have to know, telephone harassment is an intent crime, case law dictates this intent is measured at the time the call is placed, the mere words spoken are not the crime.  A 15 second pause would make you argue, we don't know who dialed the phone, we don't know what the intent was, what was said or trying to be said during those 15 seconds of silence?

Your legal education will never end, and just because someone didn't go to a top ABA school, doesn't mean they will not give you a real run for your money one day.

Doug Marcus

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