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I received the news about my second cut in pay just as I was starting on civil procedure. 

Even if you don't plan to do anything more than explore legal concepts right now, it can't hurt to lay some sort of foundation.  Mid Atlantic does not require students to hand in case briefs.  But, there is nothing like a written memorial to show the world what you can do.  Each Gilberts volume cites hundreds of court opinions.  So, just briefing twenty five out of each book is really just a drop in the bucket.  But, you won't be reading opinions that are in the typical law school case book.  Many of those cases are shortened considerably (I spent a year in a brick and mortar law school and ran out of money after the first year.  During that time, there were very few federally funded student loans for law school.).  The opinions you will be reading will come from or from Google Scholar.    Many full length opinions can be 20 or more pages long.  As a result, you can easily study and brief opinions 10 hours  a day; six days a week.  Even if Mid Atlantic doesn't require case briefs, just having them in a loose leaf binder, ready to send to the California Office of Admissions at any time will benefit anyone who has these files compiled.

Also, get published.  We are lucky that we don't have to send articles to magazine publishers hoping and praying for anything but those inevitable rejection letters.  Just posting on discussion forums like this, means that we are published.  Anyone can get a free webpage from and post their unpublished [in a hard copy magazine] articles there.  I am hoping that when I start interviewing for a paralegal position, an  attorney will at least take notice of my webpage and decide to invite me for an interview.  The articles on my webpage are relatively elementary as far as legal analysis goes.  But, I do intend to post at least five more articles [hence, demonstrate more experience] before I start "pounding the pavement."

I believe that anyone out there can be an attorney or  certified paralegal with credentials earned online.  We just have to be ten times better than the brick and mortar ABA graduate who was ranked 300 out of a graduating class of 300.  The name of their school will get them in the door.  An online JD graduate's resume "without something more" will just go in the trash or be deleted.

Age is not an issue in law or medicine.  A recent 60 year old JD graduate will just look like a senior partner to a client.

Even though Mid Atlantic is unaccredited, I think that any student enrolled in its courses can still get a good legal education.  Maybe you could think of your experience at Mid Atlantic as a form of home schooling.  If you read and brief at least twenty five of the court opinions cited in each Gilberts volume, you will, at some point, start thinking like a lawyer.  If you make written copies of all your court opinion summaries, and keep them in organized files, you might be able to use what you have recorded as proof to the California Office of Admissions, that you know enough to sit for the FYLSE.  Mid Atlantic makes everyone complete a final project.  This would be an excellent opportunity to write a book on any legal issue that interests you.  Mid Atlantic provides a very basic starting point.  It is really up to the student to show the world what he/she can do.  Good lawyers "think outside the box."  I have already written here that I have decided to go the certified paralegal route because several pay cuts forced me to drop the Mid Atlantic program.  Heck, I am still trying to come up with the five hundred dollars required to take the certified paralegal exam.  Anyone who reads and summarizes 15 Gilberts outlines and briefs the cases cited in each volume has not received a poor legal education.

Online Law Schools / Re: Concord Law JD --- Starting Sept 4, 2012
« on: August 21, 2012, 10:20:43 PM »
Listen people:  If you don't have time to go to a traditional ABA approved law school,   then don't enroll in any program that calls itself a law school that is not ABA approved unless you are willing to work harder than a traditional law school student.  Enrolling in any online law school is a waste of money and time.  Instead of law school online, run to the nearest paralegal program and get certified.

Online Law Schools / Re: Mid-Atlantic School of Law
« on: August 19, 2012, 11:50:36 PM »
You are right.  Mid Atlantic is not a "real" law school.  But, neither of the other law schools registered with the California bar "real" law schools either.  They are recognized companies doing business in California.  Graduates of any of those companies will not be eligible to take the bar exam of any other state [right out of law school].  That is why the Office of Admissions requires all students registered with it to keep a log of how many hours they are studying.

Someone who graduates from MASL will have to petition the Office Of Admissions in California to take the FYLSE and the California bar exam.  He/she will have to keep a log of all the hours they have studied.  He/she will have to send a copy of MASL's syllabus to the Office of Admissions. 

What is key, here, is how much knowledge the student actually has.  That is why MASL has a final project.  The final project can be an internship or an analytical thesis.  Supplementary articles [kind of like publishing your own Law Review online] will bolster your reputation. 

Years ago, home schooling was looked down upon.  Now, because so many home schooled students are doing so well, that form of education is well regarded.   The same thing can happen with MASL.  Okay.  It is a private company [like a for profit school] that provides a structure.  But, like I said before.  It is not the school that will make a student an attorney.  It is the student who will make himself/herself an attorney. 

To Oceanblue57:  Try to get the most current editions of each Gilberts' Outline.  Don't buy them all at once.  Buy one book at a time.  Each volume from Thomson West is about $40.00.  The length of time it will take you to get through one volume depends on how much you study.  I work full time.  So, it took me about 8 weeks to get through the first module.  I read it from cover to cover and took my time carefully authoring the summary. 

There is some truth in what all these people are saying about MASL.  But, if MASL is your only option because of the price, stick with it. It is not impossible to become eligible to sit for the FYLSE and the California bar with an MASL JD (or the DC bar exam).  But, you do have an uphill battle.  Like I said before you will have to acquire an almost encyclopedic knowledge of all the areas of the law that a bar exam tests.  You should brief as many cases as you can from each Gilberts Outline.  Put the completed cases in a binder and keep them.  I have a one page handout that I wrote for someone else on how to brief a case.  I copied it from a textbook.  (Yes.  The references are there.)  If you would like a copy of it, let me know.  My email address is:  [email protected].  Put "Law Discussion Forum" in the subject line so that I will actually read the email.  There isn't much of a need for legal service volunteer work because licensed attorneys are doing all the pro bono work.  This means that you will have to write articles.  They don't have to be published by publishing companies.  You can upload them to your own website.  I have articles on:  The bottom line is that you have a lot of work ahead of you.    I know of two people who have graduated from MASL.  One of them enrolled in a 26 credit program so that he can sit for the DC bar.

Online Law Schools / Re: Mid-Atlantic School of Law
« on: August 19, 2012, 10:11:27 AM »
The message I was trying to get across above is that I believe that it is possible for any online law school graduate to become an attorney.  It is just that it won't be the school's name that will help you achieve your goal:  It will be your name and reputation.

Online Law Schools / Re: Mid-Atlantic School of Law
« on: August 19, 2012, 09:52:43 AM »
I only completed Module 1.  I have the worst financial karma out there in the universe.  I left Mercer Law School after one year because most student loans for law school were not substantial.  All I received for the first year in 1987 was 2000 for one semester.  I couldn't take the FYLSE after completing one year at California Southern School of Law because I didn't have the money to fly to California a second time.  Then, just as I began at Mid Atlantic, in 2009, I got  two pay cuts:  the first one was no more overtime.  The second one was an actual cut in pay.

Mid Atlantic's syllabus appears deceptively simple.  Just read 15 Gilberts Outlines and write an outline and summary of each volume.    Some of those volumes are 3 inches thick.  So, it will take awhile to get through the program; if all you do is read each book from cover.  In order to get the full benefit, you need to read and brief at least 20 cases that each book cites.  Mid Atlantic doesn't require the latter.  But, remember, you will be competing with people who have read thousands of court opinions within 3 to 4 years.  And, if your final project is going to be a hornbook, you will have needed a lot of practice before you get started. 

I never planned to take the DC bar exam.  I did plan to take the FYLSE again and the California bar after completing Mid Atlantic.  I was already registered as a law school student with California's Office of Admissions.  When I was ready, I planned to petition the California bar because I have written three articles on legal issues.  I planned to write more and would have included a hornbook on domestic violence.  That was my final project.

Since Mid Atlantic is not registered with the California bar, it is up to the student to acquire an encyclopedic knowledge of as many areas of the law as possible and demonstrate that knowledge by writing as many articles and books as possible.  The articles  and books become published once you upload them on your own website (or

I did manage to complete an online paralegal course.  I am currently studying for NALA's CP exam.  I had to put it off twice because I didn't have the 250.00 fee to get started.  I should have it  by December 1 of this year.  I am also writing a book that traces the evolution of securities law from 1936 to 2001. 

Online Law Schools / Re: Concord modules
« on: August 18, 2012, 12:16:34 PM »
You should really study 8 hours a day, 6 days a week.  That is what it will take to pass the FYLSE the first time.

Online Law Schools / Re: Mid-Atlantic School of Law
« on: August 18, 2012, 12:01:02 PM »
I no longer attend this school because I don't have the 100.00  per module to pay.  Since most students really need to study for two years to pass the FYLSE the first time (because they are studying while holding down full time jobs and raising a family), I think that completing Mid Atlantic's requirements will give an online law school student an edge.  Yes, you can study the Gilberts outlines on your own.  But, how many people would take a Gilberts outline on Torts (for example) to bed with them at night unless they were enrolled in some kind of program?  Enrolling in an online law school after really studying 15 Gilberts volumes would give anyone an advantage.   Also, Mid Atlantic requires a final project.  A final project could include writing a treatise on an area of law.  That treatise would make any state bar official think, "Let me take another look at this graduate from Mid Atlantic.  Let's face it.  Any online law school graduate  has an up hill battle.    Why pay more than 1500  for the privilege?  If you are going to attend anything other than an ABA brick and mortar law school,  you need to realize that you need to be ten times more competitive than the typical law school graduate.

Online Law Schools / Re: Abraham Lincoln University, School of Law
« on: July 01, 2012, 10:18:03 PM »
A key reason why most FYLSE test takers fail the exam is because they are fooled into thinking that they can absorb a huge amount of information in one year by studying on a part time basis.  The amount of information you need to know to pass takes at least 8 hours a day for the entire year.  The assignments the school gives only scratches the surface of what the student needs to know.  There is nothing wrong with the online law school student.  There is something wrong with the way the whole online law school program is structured.  Let's stop blaming the victim.

This is an online law school.  Are you kidding me?  Move on.  You are probably not missing anything.   But, on the other hand, why on earth would you tell them that you don't want to be a lawyer?  That statement just says:  "I'm not really interested in what your school has to offer."  Tell the next school that you can't wait to be a lawyer and help everybody that comes through your office door; even if you have no intention of ever practicing.

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