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ur burnout argument is baseless. obviously u have no idea what ur talking about. ur argument rests on the false assumption that law school is like the practice of law. the reason burnout happens is because law school is A LOT MORE INTENSIVE THAN THE PRACICE OF LAW. in law school, u have memos, outlining, oral arguments to prepare for, all while still preparing for class which takes 4 -5 hours a night. i could go on, but im just f'n beat from all the work law school is throwin at me.

Job Search / Re: Where do you stand with your job search?
« on: April 03, 2005, 02:56:26 PM »
I applied for 2 firm jobs through OCI (there were only a few firms willing to hire 1Ls).  I had an interview last week for one, which was mid-sized.  I think things went well, but If I don't get that job then I am going to sign up at my school for an externship.  Hopefully I'll be able to get a judicial one if I don't get this job.

Obviously, this no longer applies to SLJ, but for the pre 1L's out there, I would recommend applying to a lot more than 2 firms to have a real shot at a summer associate position.  Basically, you have to keep in mind that it is very difficult to get these positions, mainly because, as SLJ pointed out, very few firms hire 1L's.  I go to a T14 and less than 10% of our students get summer associate positions during the first summer. 

Ideally, if you want to work at a firm, you should apply to no less than 50 firms.  Most of my classmates who were looking for SA positions applied to at least 100.  You can get mail-merge files from the NALP directory, while filtering your employer search to include only firms that hire 1L's.  Think about being mobile -- it will give you more options.  Do you have a grandma in NYC or an auntie in LA?  Call and ask if you could stay with them in the event you get a summer position there.  Also, consider areas where you may not know anyone, because your 2500/week paycheck will be more than enough to cover a short-term sublet.

The more proactive you are, the more likely you are to get a position.

LOLLOLOLOLOL - i love how u incorporated the fact that u go to a T14 into your response.

Current Law Students / Re: 1L's Where will you work this summer?
« on: March 31, 2005, 03:10:32 PM »
District Attorney's office

i use the "sum and substance" CD series for Criminal by Dressler. haven't used any other audio things. I think this is great to gain an overview of a topic after having read the assigned cases and read through the relevant parts of his treatise.

just go on barnes and noble or amazon to get what u want. thats what i did. ur gonna pay about the same no matter where u go.

as a current 1L, i can tell u that prepping is useless.

however, if u will disregard everyone's advice on this, here are the supplements i used last semester and this semester.

Civ Pro - Glannons E&E (this is priceless, and will be ur bible when u take this class)
if u must read something this summer, this will help the most

Contracts - Emmanuels and E&E

Property - Gilberts by Dukeminier (the man wrote the case book you will probably use, its golden, provides concise explanations on vague topics)
try to master the rule against perpetuities. i took the property final not knowing what the hell i was doing when it came to this - got a 38 on the exam, thank god that was a B.

Torts - didn't use one

Criminal - Dressler's Treatise published by Lexis is amazing.

Con Law - dont even try to fill ur head with con law crap. it is a beast all in itself. i have 4 hours of con law HW a night, the worst subject by far. every prof. teaches it differently, so prepping for this class will definitly be pointless. u wont know what provisions ur prof will cover (we dont touch the commerce clause, but we place a heavy emphasis on the whole equal protection/due process clauses of the 5th and 14th amendments; some classes go in depth on the commerce clause, and other provisions)

thats about it.

i used access group this past year for my 1L loans. no problems here.

Current Law Students / Re: Reasonable suspicion vs. Probable Cause
« on: March 24, 2005, 02:19:44 PM »
hmmm - not to sure if this helps but this is how i remember it.

reasonable suspicion is all about stop and frisks.

Probable cause is all about actual searches.

to get probable cause, u first need to have reasonable suspicion; but to have reasonable suspicion, u dont have to have probable cause.

reasonable suspicion concerns, i think at least, what that person has "on their person".
where probable cause concerns a whole house, or a whole something to be searched.

the curve depends on the school. i go to a tier 3 and our curve is a C+, which is a 2.3.

Current Law Students / Re: So, what are the best hornbooks?
« on: March 21, 2005, 05:54:16 PM »
would u like some coke with your crack?

i think the purpose of the death penalty is not to deter crime, rather it is to punish. most homocides are not calculated murders that took planning; they are crimes of passion, where the wrong-doer did not even contemplate the consequences of their actions. The fact that the death penalty is now unconstitutional for juveniles means nothing.

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