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Current Law Students / Re: PLS
« on: April 13, 2004, 12:50:42 AM »
Halfway through Constitutional Law - thankfully it gets less dry.  The only thing so far I will disagree with Atticus about is the coming out with a new edition every few years.  I find it much more interesting reading about cases that I can remember (such as the Gore vs Bush case over the Florida recount), as most the cases in the 1800's I have no knowledge about, it is more like reading history and bad history at that as I really don't know much about what was going on in cases involving butchers in New Orleans (although it is good to know certain things the case decided, I don't know the history around the case I should say..)

Current Law Students / Re: PLS
« on: April 08, 2004, 10:33:20 AM »
There was someone - but then atticus wrote back and said that she should just do what she can and not wait till spring.  With admissions like they are right now, I couldn't imagine waiting till next time if I'd actually gotten in... but that might just be me :)

Current Law Students / Re: PLS
« on: April 08, 2004, 09:49:08 AM »
Planet Law School by Atticus Falcon.  It is on it's second edition and a huge book that "supposedly" gives you a lot of information about law school.  It has a whole list of books to read to get you ready for the fall.  However, the author is really, really down on law school.  I've heard that if you take the negative attitude only somewhat seriously until you get to your respective school and see if it is true and follow a lot of his advice (especially about the prep work), that it is an extreme help...

Current Law Students / Re: PLS
« on: April 07, 2004, 02:20:36 PM »
I've gotten through half of two of the recommended books (Aspen's civil procedure and Aspen's Constitutional Law).  So far they are really good.  The book had come recommended to me by someone who graduated not that long ago - he wished he had really found it before he started law school and not during.

I figure even if the classes cover more/less than the books PLS2 recommends, at least I have somewhat a head start in that I know the terms and something about the subject.

Current Law Students / Re: Child Advocate
« on: April 05, 2004, 11:20:37 PM »
Just something to think about (not to be pesimistic too much though):

Although you both have said you want to go into child advocacy laws, alther than the homeless shelter experience jgruber, have either of you had any other experience working with children?  Especially once they become wards of the state?  I say this as someone who had worked with children (although not in a legal sense, but in a psychiatric sense) and it is a very mentally demanding field.  To work with abused children, or children who are mentally ill, is very, very tough.  Typically when the parents are involved, it is an extremely volatile situation.  The children involved are also very hard to work with - many times very untrusting of adults.

This is not to try to presuade either of you from trying to go into this field - I know when I worked in it, I really wished their were more people who were willing to help this children out legally.  However, I would definately recommend taking some child psych courses and volunteering/working at some places that work with children in different age ranges.  Also, I don't know what the age of the children in the homeless shelter were, but I know there is a BIG difference between working with say 8-10 year olds and 16-18 year olds.

One last thing to think about - you might want to also think about studying more than one field in law school.  Just in case something happens and you can't work in child advocacy full time, you can always get a higher paying job and do pro-bono work on the side for children...

Current Law Students / Re: Law School Admission Chances
« on: April 03, 2004, 07:38:03 PM »
In response to you questions about GPA - I believe *some* schools do take into account your graduate GPA, especially if you have been out of college a while.  This is probably not all schools but at least some.  I say this because I was accepted to two law schools (CU and DU).  My UGPA was so-so, but I held a very high graduate GPA.  For CU, especially, my uGPA and LSAT were okay, but I think the graduate degree helped.

Now to present some of my disagreements with your theories (and these are just my thoughts :-):

"Most law students typically enter law school directly from undergraduate school."

I do not believe this is true at all.  From most of my readings, the typical law school entering student is about 26-27.  If you figure someone goes straight from high school to college, completes the degree in four years, they graduate college at 22ish.  This leaves 4 years in between starting law school and graduating.  While this is not true of every student, it seems to be from the law students I have met they did not go straight into law school.  Personally, I have 4 years of work experience in between college and starting law school next fall making me the "typical" law student from what I have seen.
"The students I interviewed have taken courses where the class has to compete on a curve."

I am not sure where you went to graduate school, however where I went, some classes had curves, some didn't.  Some classes were hard, some were easy.  I believe this is the case in law school too.  It all depends on your school, your teacher, the subject matter, etc.

"Law students are not required to carry a 3.0 in there programs typically."

I think this is misleading.  From what I understand, it doesn't matter what your GPA is.  It is all about class rank.  Considering the "average" law student, especially at tier 1 schools, seems to be "above-average" (as in they had to both get a good GPA throughout school and a good LSAT), you are competing against highly qualified and highly motivated students.  To be in the top of the class, you aren't going to be skating by on your good looks.  Also, if you are going on scholarships, there are typically requirements for keeping them.  If you are getting $20,000 a year in scholarships, you might not have to have a 3.0 to stay in the school, but for that much money you are definately going to try to keep a 3.0.

"Law students are not required to write and defend a thesis of a specific area of research as a part of graduation."

While you may not have to defend a thesis, you do have to write and research.  Law review, working on journals, and working for firms during your second and third year are what get you a job after school.  If all you do is take the minimum, unless your dad happens to be the president, you probably aren't going anywhere.

"In conclusion of my survey I think that there many students that end up reject by a variety of programs because of politics and in some cases political correctness."

This may be true in some schools.  This all depends on the school I think though.  Sometimes, though, just the opposite is true.  If schools need a certain minority group, sex, or age, they might accept more blacks, women, older adults, etc.  For state schools, someone might be rejected because they have a certain quota of in-state residents they have to take.

"I feel I can make a compelling case that law school is a "good ole boy network.""

I agree with this to a certain extent.  I think, again, it depends on the school.

I am curious what schools you talked to?

Incoming 1Ls / Re: private loan question
« on: July 01, 2004, 09:05:08 PM »
My understanding is that you can only apply for the amount the school says through some lenders as that is all the school will certify you for.  You can get additional loans, but the company may or may not give them to you since the school won't certify it.  You should call the financial aid office to find out what the school's policy is in regards to private loans.

Law School Admissions / Re: When should I apply?
« on: June 21, 2004, 03:41:05 PM »
From my experience:  I applied in late November/early December to both of the schools I wanted to attend.  I heard from both of them early Jan/late Feb (along with several other people I talked to).  You figure that each school only allowed in a certain number of people and by admitting at least 4 students already (probably a lot more, that is just the ones I know of), your chances would have been lowered by that much if you applied in Feb as they had already admitted at least 2/100 of the class (which isn't much, but makes your chances that much less).  And it was probably a lot greater than 2/100 of the class...

Incoming 1Ls / Re: Engineer-Lawyers thread
« on: June 21, 2004, 02:17:07 PM »
It seems to depend on several things with computer engineers.  For example, almost all the females I've known that are into computers are very social and can deal with people and computers.  The males seem to fall into two categories:  if they have a girlfriend/wife, they are fairly social - if they have 10 online names for final fantasy (or fill in some other RPG) then they aren't that social.

Have you tried to appeal your financial aid?  Is there any reason that they will only certify you for 6300?

If you need additional funds for things like rent, medical, etc - you can probably appeal and get them to certify you for more.

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