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Job Search / Re: Summer associate compensation
« on: January 03, 2007, 07:41:40 AM »
thanks again guys. looks like Im going to school in philly so I should have access to some major markets. Ill definitely be concerned with grades primarily. but still trying to figure out a way to go the T-14 route AND pay my mortgage...


Job Search / Re: Summer associate compensation
« on: January 02, 2007, 02:03:51 PM »
cool. thanks. obviously still very new at this. how about a guess as to what percentage of students (at top schools) get $1500/week jobs after 1L...

..and then.. what % of astronauts get paid more than t-14 spelunkers

Job Search / Summer associate compensation
« on: January 02, 2007, 12:22:30 PM »
Hi. Im a pre-L weighing my options for next year (the whole t-14 with no money vs @50 with all of it-- that Im sure many of you had to make at one point). I hope you dont mind my dropping by on your board but i figured Id ask people who really know the answer...

Granted I go the t-14 route, study hard and do well, what are the chances I can get a summer associate gig at a big firm after 1L, and approximately how much can I expect to earn? Same for 2L?

I have 6 years of strong WE already, and a masters degree, which should help my resume.

pardon my naivete


Choosing the Right Law School / Re: From a Penn Law 1L...
« on: February 20, 2008, 08:48:19 AM »
one other cool thing:

Philly Fight Night, this saturday. Penn Law vs Wharton. over 1000 students show up. Raised like 30K for the boys and girls club last year.

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: From a Penn Law 1L...
« on: February 17, 2008, 04:14:41 PM »

How useful do you see the Wharton Certificate being for job prospects?  Is it popular?  How else do people use the interdisciplinary stuff at Penn?

Also, what do you think is the greatest misconception about Penn, from your experience.  What is your favorite thing/least favorite thing about your school?

The Wharton Certificate is quite popular. I'm not sure exactly how many people do it, but its a decent chunk. It requires 4 classes, 3 at wharton (one in business and public policy department, 2 electives anywhere at wharton) and 1 at the law school. Here is some lit on it:

In terms of how prospective employers view the certificate, im sure it is a solid bonus. If you look at a lot of Penn Law grads' bios on firm websites, the certificate is listed. And for some firms, it comes up when you search for lawyers that attended Wharton. My plans to pursue the certificate definitely came up a couple of times during interviews this winter. Its a great  idea for anyone who has a specific business sector they are interested in, or who might want to transition in-house someday.  I have a friend who knows for sure he wants to go in-house for a biotech company after a couple of years in a firm, so classes like Pharmaceutical and Biotechnology Management with Patricia Danzon at Wharton should really be beneficial for him.

There are other great interdisciplinary programs. I have friends doing the Master of Bioethics degree taking some pretty cool classes on clinical trials, neuroethics, medical errors etc. They are getting a masters without having to take any extra classes.

Here is some info on other joint degrees:

and taking classes in other departments:

My favorite thing about law school so far, other than a couple of really good friends Ive made, has been civil procedure. This might sound absurd -- I never thought I would like it going in, but my teacher was amazing. He is the special master for the NFL, and the guy is just badass. Made me think a career in litigation might be in my future.

Least favorite thing-- the emphasis on tying speed in one of the finals I took. Im not the fastest typer and some exam formats definitely benefit those who can puke it at 90 words-per-minute. I still did fine on all my exams.

Biggest misconception?--  hmmm... that Joe Paterno is the football coach?


Choosing the Right Law School / Re: From a Penn Law 1L...
« on: February 16, 2008, 09:49:50 AM »
How do you get to DC in 1.5 hrs? Do you have a jet-pack?

Acela. I have an amtrak guest rewards mastercard. Any other great questions?

I thought it was a good question. Most 1Ls aren't going to have the funds to take the Acela if they want to go to DC, so saying it's 1.5 hrs could be misleading to them. Didn't want anyone to pick based on non-standard info, you know.

ah yeah. i thought you were being a wiseass. did you really think i had a jetpack?

acela certainly isnt doable for most 1Ls. though i do recommend the rewards mastercard. i buy everything on it, then pay it off at the end of the month.

lizzels-- your situation, or something like it, is perfectly realistic. there's a guy in my class whose wife lives in maryland. he does exactly what you described. he actually has a room in a house that other students rent and stays there maybe 1/2 the time. there are a couple of students that have houses in west philly and rent rooms.

going out of town 2 weekends a month or more is perfectly doable, as long as you have a decent place to study where youll be.

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: From a Penn Law 1L...
« on: February 15, 2008, 09:51:22 PM »
How do you get to DC in 1.5 hrs? Do you have a jet-pack?

Acela. I have an amtrak guest rewards mastercard. Any other great questions?

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: Turn Down Harvard?
« on: February 15, 2008, 08:23:46 PM »
didnt read the thread as I can only imagine where it went

anyway... it has been done

youll be fine. some people dont need the crimson H on their hoodie to get where they want to go. youll get a great education at any of those schools.

Choosing the Right Law School / From a Penn Law 1L...
« on: February 15, 2008, 08:08:12 PM »
hey folks...

I visited this board a lot last year when I was looking at schools. Anyway... thought I would drop back in, as I dont feel like packing for a 6:30 AM flight, and share some thoughts... (while Im not packing, At least I was smart enough to go home after a long happy hour. As I cant stand being hung over on long flights).

So... I had a tough decision last year between Penn, NYU and Chicago. I ultimately chose Penn as I just had a gut feeling about it based on my visits, discussions etc. It seemed like more of a chill place. You know.. .the whole "collegiality" thing.

After a semester and a bit, I can absolutely say I am happy with my choice. The collegiality thing is not just hype. When people missed classes, they got notes. When there was a key case for a legal writing assignment, it  was shared. When people got great outlines from past years, they emailed them to the whole section. Some might say that's stupid to do, as all law schools grade on a curve and the more you help, the harder you make it on yourself. But that is simply not true. Sharing the best resources facilitates efficient learning and levels the playing field. And its definitely something we do at Penn. It is satisfying.

Don't get me wrong... while it is "chill" place, it is certainly academically vigorous. Your brain will wrangled by some amazing Professors. They really want to hone your mind here, but don't want anyone to freak out. Last semester I worked hard, learned a *&^%-ton, went out, enjoyed the city, had fun, and got good grades. Finals were a bit stressful, of course, but it was completely manageable.

I have also been pleasantly surprised by Philly in general. The restaurant scene here is really amazing. We've been going out to some great places for law firm receptions (almost every night) over the last few weeks. The BYO's are excellent, and cheap, as you avoid the 300% markup on booze. It makes a great dinner affordable. And they are everywhere. I went to philles games in the fall, and go to flyers and sixers games now. DC and NY are both 1.5hours away. We go to both places often to hang and visit friends, but can get a nice apartment for half the money here.

I got great summer associate job at a firm here in philly that is going to pay most or all of my living expenses next year. Lots of my friends have landed jobs at firms or with DA's offices in their home towns, Cali, NY, Philly and DC.

My only complaint is that I dont get out to enjoy the outdoors enough. I know the poconos are not far. And there is great biking and running trails in fairmount park. Hopefully I can motivate and get up there once it warms up again.

If you have choices, figure out which school has the best feel, and is the best match for you. I have friends who love it at Columbia and NYU. I also have friends at Temple, American and Cardozo who had a great semester. It is really what you make of it.

Be diligent, study hard, dont fret, enjoy yourself. It's an enriching and exciting experience.


Incoming 1Ls / Re: University of Pennsylvania Class of 2010
« on: August 06, 2007, 08:49:10 AM »
can you view the face book page without having your own pic up there? I havent gotten around to taking one yet. gotta wait for this black eye to heal. btw-- not all dudes with long hair like to be told they look like paris hilton

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