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Incoming 1Ls / Re: Paramedic/JD idea
« on: January 08, 2010, 12:26:28 PM »
whats wrong with actually doing the work first hand before attempting to claim to understand what it is in court?

I get it. I have been an LPN for 3 years, now I'm pre-law. I want to do medical malpractice in the future. Being an LPN gives me an insight on what I might want to do; I doubt it will qualify me though. I personally believe that I would have to be a competetive graduate and have some proven success as an attorney in order to gain entrance into my desired field. I'm not sure how it works though, I'm just a pre-law student. I feel you though  ;)

Med mal is not a competitive field. But being an LPN will help you when you have to review hundreds of pages of medical files and in case evaluation (whether standard of care was met, causation, etc.).

I have been fortunate enough to receive offers from both Judges and private practices.  I need help to choose which to pursue.

By the way, I am a 1L.

Should it be all about the money and take the paid job?  Or should I choose the job clerking for the judge?  The judge in question is a state level appellate judge.  Does it matter how high of a court the internship is for?

If I am offered a position with a U.S. District Court, should I choose that over the paid private job?

Please help.  Thanks.

You should take the paid job because it might turn into a paid job after graduation. Unpaid clerkships with judges during school do not turn into paid clerkships with judges upon graduation. Especially with federal district judges. They let students clerk for them all the time but when it comes to clerking upon graduation - that's a whole different process. And taking the state appellate court position will do little for your career.

So I just got back my grades for my first semester at NYLS and to my complete ( but very pleasant) surprise I managed to pull off straight A's.  With a 4.0 GPA at a T3 school in the toughest legal market in the country (arguably)........does anyone have any suggestions for the summer? What are my chances of makin some moolah at a firm (big or medium - most likely medium)?  I'm fairly confident that I'll find something unpaid but do my first semester grades help me find something better when I'm competing with the NYU/Columbia/Fordham's....etc???

Any direction would be a huge help!


I'd put your chances of getting a paid position at 1%, and your chances of getting an unpaid position at 33%. There just aren't enough jobs out there for everyone and you're low on the totem pole. Transfer if you can.

From Paul L. Caron, TaxProf Blog: ranks the 195 law schools by 1L attrition rates.  (The ABA Section on Legal Education publishes aggregate attrition rates, and each school's attrition rate is available on its official ABA data sheet.)  Here are the 25 law schools with the highest attrition rates according to, along with the school's 2009 U.S. News overall ranking:

   1. Whittier (51.5% 1L attrition, #161 in U.S. News)
   2. Touro (37.4%, #171)
   3. Golden Gate (36.9%, #174)
   4. Western State (32.6%, not ranked)
   5. Jones School of Law (32.3%, not ranked)
   6. Widener (30.5%, #179)
   7. St. Thomas University (28.5%, #174)
   8. Barry (27.6%, #181)
   9. Liberty (27.1%, not ranked)
  10. Thomas M Cooley (26.0%, #181)
  11. Florida Coastal (23.7%, #171)
  12. California Western (23.6%, #156)
  13. Valparaiso (23.4%, #143)
  14. Florida International (23.3%, #153)
  15. Capital (22.8%, #161)
  16. Louisville (22.5%, #100)
  17. North Carolina Central (22.1%, #168)
  18. Detroit Mercy (21.9%, $163)
  19. Nova Southeastern (21.8%, #158)
  20. Oklahoma City (21.0%, $168)
  21. Willamette (21.0%, #137)
  22. Western New England (20.7%, #171)
  23. Northern Kentucky (20.2%, #156)
  24. University of The District of Columbia (20.0%, #181)
  25. Franklin Pierce (19.9%, #131)

With the economy and the over over abundance of law schools and graduates, how in good conscious can the ABA justify keeping these school accredited.  They are all abominations.  And Louisville.... SHAME ON YOU!

There is good reason why the ABA accredits these law schools. It's simple. Any person that demonstrates mere competence should be allowed to practice law.

Law touches all of our lives. So deeply rooted is this concept that, as the maxim goes, "ignorance of the law is no excuse." The Federal Rules of Civil Procedure are built around this concept, allowing for pro se litigants to have their day in court. In short, our democracy is built upon the rule of law and the idea that all persons that demonstrate minimal competence should be allowed to participate in the very mechanism that, potentially, can take away life, liberty, and property.

For good or bad, it is the market and individual states that will regulate who practices, not the ABA. For example, bad attorneys will either not have clients and leave the profession (market forces), or will be barred (by the state bar or state supreme court) through disciplinary actions.

Incoming 1Ls / Re: Paramedic/JD idea
« on: December 25, 2009, 01:48:22 PM »
Thats kind of my point too. It takes a lot longer to be a MD than a paramedic, I don't want or need the whole MD just a general idea(that plus a lot of medical mistakes happen in route to the hospital too)

I get it, you guys think paramedics and EMT's are a joke. Just don't say that outloud when you need one someday is all.  :-\ I guess that makes cops an equally big joke for those who who want to become  prosocution, afterall that dosn't require a PHD either.  :-[

Please do become an EMT if you think you'd enjoy it, make some money, and it would give you something interesting to talk about in interviews. But the advantage that it will give you in med mal cases is negligible at best. And it will take away from time you should probably be focusing on your grades, not moonlighting.

Current Law Students / Re: Blowing off Write-on?
« on: May 20, 2009, 06:21:11 PM »
The thing about write on competitions is that a lot of people who start don't finish. So, just by handing something, anything, in, you're already at an advantage.

But being on a journal isn't for everyone. I hate it, as do most everyone else on my journal.

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: Goodbye from LawDog!
« on: May 08, 2009, 11:11:37 AM »

I say this from the bottom of my heart: You might be the biggest idiot I've seen on LSD. Of course that only spans the three year period I've been on this board. I do not wish you good luck. I wish that you don't go to law school.

Visits, Admit Days, and Open Houses / Re: WTF Rankings
« on: April 22, 2009, 08:26:16 AM »
Actually I think the problem is that most of the ranking is not based on real, meaningful factors like LSAT. A ranking based purely on a LSAT/GPA index would probably be more accurate, but it wouldn't be worthy of a lucrative magazine edition.

Good point, but I disagree.

USN&WR isn't simply listing the "most selective law schools" (and even in that case, merely factoring LSAT/GPA is insufficient).  It is listing the 'best' schools.  Your academic experience will be enhanced when you have a library with plenty of resources and space, when your professors are of high quality, when the school spends money on enhancing your experience, when the school provides the ability to summer in a good firm that will give interesting work (employment %), and when other students are very smart.  All of these factors are relevant in assessing the quality of the legal education.

That said, I don't think USN&WR is perfect.  I think it could add some measurements, use different proportions to come up with rank, and measure things differently.

I'm in total agreement.

Visits, Admit Days, and Open Houses / Re: New US News Rankings...
« on: April 22, 2009, 08:23:04 AM »
It somehow seems unprofessional for a dean to discuss leaked rankings before they're published.

I agree. However, they were published. And purchased.

All right, then, before they're released.

What does that have to do with it? They were in public circulation. Through no fault of the dean. Are we really attacking him for -and I'm assuming this is what happened- mentioning that he was happy to see that "our ranking went up and is more in line with where we believe IU should be..." Please.

Visits, Admit Days, and Open Houses / Re: New US News Rankings...
« on: April 22, 2009, 08:11:25 AM »
It somehow seems unprofessional for a dean to discuss leaked rankings before they're published.

I agree. However, they were published. And purchased.

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