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Visits, Admit Days, and Open Houses / Re: Cal Western
« on: December 06, 2009, 11:00:38 PM »
My concerns don't come from thinking t4 or unaccredited schools are full of mouth breathers - there's some fairly intelligent people there, though I do think the quality of writing and talent are significantly lower at those places. (My friend's mom is a clinical prof at a low-tier school, and just dipped her first toe into teaching a substantive class...and she confirms that the kids just aren't as smart or as good at writing as they are at better schools.)  PLenty of bad writing comes from good schools, mind you, but in the big picture it is a meaningful drop.

I think going to law school at all right now is a mistake -  I would wait a year or two and if the economy is picking up, go then.  But if you have to go, keep retaking it until you get a high enough score to go to a T1, or USD with money. 


With all this being the case, why are so many people still lining up to go to law school?

Its still the easiest to get into (respectively, i.e. no perquisites or degree requirements) grad program with the best chance of making huge money at the end. So long as everyone and his brother wants to go to law school there will always be more demand than seats available. Limiting supply (like closing schools as some argue) never does much for demand (see war on drugs, gambling, prostitution, smoking ect.) itís only when you limit the demand (to some degree see smoking i.e kills you) that you actually make any dent. Lower salaries right out the gate will do more to lower the demand by students to go to law school than anything else.

Salaries have always been low for most school graduates.  4th tier schools in CA exist with like a 40% bar passage rate. Nobody in their right mind would go to those schools now.  The reason demand for schools is so high is a combination of people's own existing misconceptions - people think lawyers make $$, that jobs abound, and outright deception by law schools who inflate both employment percentages and reported salaries.  People don't respond to wages now - if they did, there would be many schools that would be unable to fill their classes every year.

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: UCLA or NYU
« on: June 05, 2009, 11:49:01 AM »
I know for sure I want to practice in California and not in NY.

Then go to the best school you can in CA. This is really like saying I know for sure I want to own a Saab and live in LA, will going to Delaware and buying a BMW help me achieving my goal? NYU has a great name, but its easier to find a job cross country when youíre already cross country. What about Berkeley if you can get into NYU you should get in there.

Argh, terrible advice.  NYU is way better for both public interest or private practice. Unless you want to do insurance defense in riverside or water law or something.  And i'd expect plenty of people wouldn't get into Berkeley because it's emphasis on GPA over LSAT.  Go to NYU.

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: Northwestern vs Penn vs NYU
« on: March 29, 2009, 01:27:05 AM »
Northwestern full ride vs. Penn 60k (no need-based aid awarded whatsoever)  vs NYU 37.5k (no need-based aid either)

Which one and why?

If you want to clerk/do academia/really elite PI work, i'd say NYU. Otherwise, NU.  Penn's marginal prestige advantages over NU aren't worth the $$.  If you have a low UG debt load and a family that's willing to help out a little bit, i'd say NYU might still be worth taking - given how uncertain things are, school is very important.

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: USC 1L wastes time and answers Qs.
« on: December 04, 2008, 05:03:49 PM »
By mid-city do you mean miracle mile/mid-wilshire? That makes sense, but I was always surprised that more USC kids don't live in culver city, especially in a world where there's a father's office with semi-adequate seating.  I'm told slauson -> fig/vermont work pretty well...but trying to do surface streets to USC from north of the 10 is a nightmare...

Incoming 1Ls / Re: Sweet jesus don't highlight
« on: November 24, 2008, 09:33:12 AM »
I've seen a lot of casebooks (when I buy used) that festooned with color like a disney light parade.  I'm trying to dig up links to studies that show highlighting isn't a particularly useful studying technique, compared to ones that synthesize information.  The responses on this thread suggest people will always be self-conscious about their study techniques.

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: Politics and school choices
« on: November 20, 2008, 02:08:19 PM »
having strong analytical skills and being liberal have a strong, though certainly not absolute correlation.

Incoming 1Ls / Sweet jesus don't highlight
« on: November 20, 2008, 09:00:05 AM »
Highlighting is the biggest waste of time ever.  It doesn't help you process information.  You have no idea, until you've actually read the case and figured everything out, what is important enough to highlight.  So the effect is that students, to be comprehensive, highlight everything in different colors or even one color.  Congratulations, you've decorated your casebook!

But to actually internalize and learn content, you should be engaging with the text - read it, think about it, and put observations and a summary of the point in the sideline or in a word document.  While briefing is cumbersome, it was great practice for my first month for extracting the most out of a case in the least amount of time.  After that, thinking critically and engaging with the text is the key to internalizing what you need to know.

Visits, Admit Days, and Open Houses / Re: Liberty University School of Law
« on: November 20, 2008, 08:45:50 AM »
True. I will probably start out with something more lucrative.

Then don't go to Liberty. 

Well, if it's Palin 2012, Liberty may get its Monica Goodling equivalent.  With no alumni, and a partisan reputation, it may be hard to get ADA, given that certain local schools staff DA's offices in most places in the country. 

Visits, Admit Days, and Open Houses / Re: UCLA
« on: November 20, 2008, 08:43:38 AM »
The smart, ambitious people in LA are in technology, entertainment, finance and business.  In that sense it has similar demographics to New York, and a similar culture of excess that New York has.  Spoiled valley girls or spoiled long island bridge and tunnel crowds don't vary.  There's less entertainment and more finance (or at least there was in New York), and the girls are skinnier in New York, though more athletic in LA.  I think the advantage for that one goes to NY.  But I don't see the city comparing unfavorably in terms of people to NYC.  It's a similarly large, hard to generalize city.

However, I think it's less uniformly politically aware/ecoconscious than a Boston or an SF, and like every other city in the union, less wonky/brainy than DC.  But there are lots of niches in LA.  LA is probably only a conglomeration of niches...

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