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General Off-Topic Board / Student v. School
« on: September 15, 2010, 04:58:59 PM »
Have you all heard about this lawsuit?
(this article didn't transfer very well)

    * 22 Jul 2010 at 10:09 AM
    * Posted in:
      Bankruptcy, Charlotte, Law Schools, Lawsuit of the Day, Student Loans

Student v. School: Charlotte School of Law Sued by Student Seeking Admissions for Bankruptcy Proceeding
By Elie Mystal

Iím surprised this doesnít happen more often. A student is demanding that his law school admit to scamming him out of money in open court.

And why? The student isnít trying to recover tuition dollars directly from the school. Instead, the student is involved in the arduous process of trying to get his debts discharged through bankruptcy. As weíve mentioned repeatedly, you canít discharge student loans through the bankruptcy process absent a showing of undue hardship.

The student is named Kenneth Desormes. The school is Charlotte School of Law. And he wants Charlotte to admit what they did to himÖ

Desormes filed a request for admission from Charlotte in U.S. Bankruptcy Court, District of Connecticut. The first few requests read like a standard ďscamblogĒ type post:


    1. Admit that your business targets young, ambitious, and naÔve individuals to enroll into an inferior legal education program.

    2. Admit that your business lures these individuals through a very lucrative scholarship incentive program.

    3. Admit that your business fails to fully disclose its accreditation status to prospective enrollees.

    4. Admit that your business discourages and in fact inhibits the transfer of current students to other institutions.

Iím not sure how this helps the kid show undue hardship, but itís pretty funny.

The next section gets into the studentís personal issues:

    5. Admit that your business did not provide adequate accommodation for students with learning disabilities until the Spring of 2009.

    6. Admit that not all the students who attend your business meet the legal requirements for employment as attorneys due to a mental condition or criminal records.

    7. Admit that the Plaintiff may have possessed either or both of these conditions at the time of enrollment.

    8. Admit that your business received privy information in the Fall of 2008 that Plaintiff did not meet the legal requirements for employment as an attorney based on the conditions discussed in question 6.

    9. Admit that your business ignored that information and persisted on originating several loans on behalf of the Plaintiff thereafter.

These questions get a little complicated. Surely Desormes isnít arguing that law schools should discriminate against people with mental conditions and criminal records? We donít want law schools to be de facto character and fitness review boards, do we? Itís not like Charlotte was targeting students with mental disabilities, right?

Desormes didnít respond to our request for comment. The papers were filed last week and we havenít been able to locate a response from Charlotte School of Law at this time.

The student does end with a classic closing request:

    10. Admit that your business knew or should have known that Plaintiff would be in no position to repay those loans.

Ha. Itíll be a cold day in hell before any law school admits to that.

General Off-Topic Board / How Much Sleep Do You Get a Night in Law School?
« on: September 15, 2010, 12:55:37 PM »
I was sitting here sleepy from several nights in a row of less sleep than I would like, and it seems like everyone I talk to is in the same boat, so I was just curious. (And I haven't seen a poll in awhile.)

Transferring / UNC transfer
« on: July 10, 2010, 07:01:16 PM »
Has anyone on here applied to transfer to UNC, and if so, have you heard anything back yet?

I was hoping someone with experience in this issue might be able to give me some advice. My #1 choice transfer school hasn't gotten back to me yet, and another transfer school, the one I would attend if the other rejects me and which is also an excellent school, wants to know very soon if I will be attending if I want to participate in their OCI in August. Can I pay the deposit and sign up for OCI and then back out in a couple weeks if my #1 accepts me? I'm pretty sure I can, but I haven't done anything like this before. I also don't want to lose $200, but my #1 takes very few transfers, so...Any advice would be appreciated.

General Off-Topic Board / April 19, 2008
« on: June 26, 2010, 08:44:01 PM »
Does anyone know why so many people logged into LSD on April 19, 2008? I know I haven't participated in this forum very long, but I haven't seen anywhere near that high of a number on this site.

Transferring / how long do transfer decisions take?
« on: June 17, 2010, 01:18:28 PM »
Does anyone know how long it normally takes to find out if the transfer application has been accepted or rejected for schools with rolling admissions?

I just finished my 1L year, and am near the top of my class, partly because I tend to do well on the multiple choice questions on the exams. My essays are near the top, but they are definitely not the best. Part of why I've done well on the essays is the amount of practice I have done. We were lucky enough to have mid-terms, and I did not do very well on the essays for those tests, so I have done many practice essays. I have done the practice essays given by our professors and asked them for their advice on my answers whenever possible. I have also done some of the essays available from our academic success department. Finally, I have looked at the LEEWS book (but I haven't taken the class). I am attempting to transfer and am worried that essays may count more on the finals at other schools. I also genuinely want to improve my essays.

1.) At my school, the exams are generally 1/2 essay and 1/2 multiple choice in terms of the allotted points. Are exams at most law schools like that?
2.) Are there any good books or other resources out there to help with essay exam writing?

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