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Hey all!

Before you blast me, yes I realize they are both tier 4 schools :)

I posted this topic on the pre-law side awhile back, but am looking for feedback from current students as I try and make a final decision.  I would love to hear any input you all may have on these two schools or on the characteristics of each that I have listed below and the importance they should play in my decision.

Low-down on me: late 20s, married, 10 month old, engineering background, looking to stay in Minneapolis area after graduation, not interested in big-law. 

First up...William Mitchell

-  HUGE alumni base (10k+...4k+ listed in
-  Warren Burger as an alumni
-  Wonderful clinical programs
-  "Practical" approach to school (i.e. their rep is that they teach you how to actually practice law rather than theory)
-  Flexible scheduling (PT, FT and PT day after the first year)
-  Great career services team
-  Recently got a large endowment
-  Very reputable legal writing program
-  Summer in Excellence Program for incoming 1Ls
-  Large selection of classes
-  Strong employment and bar passage rates
-  Went to their Admitted Students Day and didn't see many "happy" people
-  Large school and sections --> high student to faculty ratio
-  Older facilities
-  Most professors are adjunct (this could be a pro or con, but I listed it as a con since the professors are rarely on campus)

Next, University of St. Thomas

-  Now ABA approved
-  Lots of excitement around their program
-  Large local alumni base OTHER THAN from the law school
-  Caring professors and administration
-  Students all seem very happy
-  Mid-terms given to balance grades
-  Strong employment and bar passage rates
-  Awesome, brand-new facilities
-  Three core classes during first semester instead of four (pro or con?)

-  Just got ABA approval
-  Lower selection of classes
-  Small number of law alumni
-  Unestablished

Any thoughts from the panel???  Thank you in advance...

Current Law Students / Any parents out there?
« on: February 27, 2006, 07:38:13 AM »
I assume there are, but was hoping you could give some advice to an incoming 1L on how you manage both law school and family.  Here is a little background on me if it helps:

-  Married w/ 8 month old daughter
-  Hubby works FT
-  Attending a tier 4 school FT
-  Not working during 1L

I know that time management is key, but seriously, ANY advice you can give would be greatly appreciated.  :)

If this topic has already been discussed please let me know...I couldn't find a thread on it.

Incoming 1Ls / William Mitchell - Summer Enrichment Program???
« on: June 12, 2006, 06:47:07 AM »
Just checking to see if anyone else has registered for William Mitchell's program for incoming 1Ls...anyone? 


Minority and Non-Traditional Law Students / Anyone still flip-floping?
« on: April 27, 2006, 06:29:10 AM »
Just curious :)

I have narrowed it down to two schools and keep thinking that I've decided on one of them, but keep flip floping!  This is so frustrating!

I sent in deposits to both, but they are two completely different schools (albeit in the same city).   

Anyone else?  Or am I alone here :(

Incoming 1Ls / Learning How to Speed Read??
« on: March 07, 2006, 10:18:43 AM »
I know there have been a lot of threads about how to prep/not prep for 1L, but has anyone considered taking a speed reading class to hone your skills?  Just curious to get your thoughts on if you think they would be beneficial. 

I've been out of school for a few years, so I don't remember the last time I read dense material for academic purposes.

Any thoughts?


Anyone going to the March session? 


Minority and Non-Traditional Law Students / Financial Aid - Dumb Question
« on: February 17, 2006, 09:26:00 AM »
Ok, I'm in the process of filling out my FAFSA and was hoping that someone could give me some guidance. 

I'm guessing that I won't be eligible for the federal financial aid programs, but we were hoping to handle law school through private loans - so we thought.  Is it possible to get private loans if you actually have money in different forms to pay for it???

In another post, someone had mentioned that they weren't eligible for loans due to his amount in savings, so I am starting to freak out!  Not that you probably care :), but here is our basic situation:

-  For the last 3 years, we've only had my income...hubby started his own business that didn't work out
-  When we move for school, I will no longer be working, but he will be taking home almost the exact same amount that I previously got
-  We have a daughter
-  Just sold our house...kept all of the "profits" to put towards another house, but right now it is money in the bank
-  Hubby has a trust fund that we can't pull from BUT it is in his name
-  Savings of about $50k
-  Substantial 401ks
-  IRAs

Any advice for how to use the FAFSA to my advantage?  HELP!

Choosing the Right Law School / William Mitchell or St. Thomas (Minnesota)
« on: February 03, 2006, 08:28:34 AM »
First off, I know both are Tier 4 schools before you say anything...BUT, between these two, what have you all heard about which one would you go to?  They are extremely different, but I wanted to see if either had advantages that I was not aware of.

A little background....I did not get scholarships at either, so that evens the playing field a bit.  Also, I was accepted at Hamline in Minneapolis/St. Paul as well with $$$.

Thank you in advance for any insights you have.

Choosing the Right Law School / Chances? 157/2.74
« on: January 06, 2006, 08:49:21 AM »
Ok...before you say I should retake my LSAT or take more courses, here is the situation.

2.74 engineering degree from #4 engineering school.  Masters in project management from GW.

Took the LSAT twice...once when I graduated in 2001 - got a 157, but didn't study.  Took it again this December and found out that my current job has made me dumber...I studied this time and got THE SAME SCORE.  That's right!  I am officially dumber than before since I studied this time.

Soft factors - parent, five years of great work experience, while working full time started a franchising business with my husband (past three years), and very strong LORs.

Here is my list.  Thoughts????

-  St. Thomas (Minn.) - #1 choice
-  Hamline
-  William Mitchell
-  Mercer (accepted in '01)
-  Georgia State (accepted in '01)
-  Stetson
-  Northern Illinois
-  Loyola (Chicago)
-  Michigan State
-  Penn State
-  U of Richmond

Accepted already at Florida Coastal and Barry U with $$$.

Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated on these or any other schools near large cities (hubby has to be able to find a job there!).

My stats are low and so I was thinking of taking the option of applying to both the full time and part time programs.  Will they automatically put you in PT even if you would have made it in FT?

2.75 - engineering
157 (2001)
Retaking December 2005

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