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Choosing the Right Law School / Re: Michigan/Duke/Virginia/Texas$$
« on: April 04, 2008, 05:43:40 PM »
My decision isn't based purely on employment stats ...(Although top half at UT can usually work for a bigger firm apparently, and top 1/3 have no problem at all getting an offer from a bigger firm from what I was told...I would agree that I'll need to place in the top 1/4 to have comparable employment prospects to the top half of UVA though).

The money aside, I didn't like Duke at all, and Michigan was nice, but I didn't like it as much as UVA. UVA was the biggest temptation, and I know it would be a great option... BUT other than the security of being able to be ranked lower in the class and still get a good job, I would rather be at UT. So I've made the choice to gamble at getting the top quarter and IF (big if, I know), I am able to pull that off, I am 100% happy with my choice of UT over the others (looking 3 years ahead, and then in retrospect)...so we'll see.

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Incoming 1Ls / Re: Texas 2011: There should be 500 of us.
« on: April 04, 2008, 08:16:55 AM »
I'm in ... ;D

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I'd say TEXAS>>>>over UVA/Michigan/Duke for sure when it comes to hot women.

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Choosing the Right Law School / Re: Michigan/Duke/Virginia/Texas$$
« on: April 04, 2008, 08:11:36 AM »
Update...Going to TEXAS!!!

UVA would have been my next choice, but after visiting Texas on the ASD it felt right. (and again, graduating debt free is hard to pass up.)

Also IMO UVA>Michigan>>>Duke

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Visits, Admit Days, and Open Houses / Re: Thoughts on Texas' ASD?
« on: April 02, 2008, 07:57:03 PM »
After the ASD, I've decided on Texas. The best part was the faculty and staff. All were real nice, and seemed like genuinely good people. I also affirm that the students seem laid back. It seems like a perfect atmosphere for law school.

HOOKEM HORNS!!! ;D

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Choosing the Right Law School / Vaults top 25 law school rankings
« on: April 02, 2008, 08:18:30 AM »
Any comments on Vaults new rankings? (below this line is simply pasted from their site)

Vault surveyed nearly 400 hiring partners, hiring commitee members, associate interviewers and recruiting professionals across the country on which law schools best prepare their graduates to achieve in the firm environment. With 58% of law school graduates entering private practice, Vault's law school rankings fill an important gap with their unique emphasis on employability.

Vault surveyed only those people who directly assess the value of law school graduates in the real world once they enter the workforce- those individuals responsible for evaluating and hiring law school students. The respondents--who represent over 100 law firms-- were advised to consider the following factors in their rankings: research and writing skills; knowledge of legal doctrine; possession of other relevant knowledge (e.g., science for IP lawyers); and ability to manage a calendar and work with an assistant.

2007
RANK
 LAW SCHOOL
 
1
 Stanford University Law School
 
2
 University of Michigan - Ann Arbor Law School
 
3
 New York University School of Law
 
4
 University of Virginia School of Law
 
5
 University of Chicago Law School
 
6
 Harvard Law School
 
7
 Columbia Law School
 
8
 University of California, Berkeley - Boalt Hall School of Law
 
9
 Northwestern University School of Law
 
10
 Yale Law School
 
11
 Vanderbilt University Law School
 
12
 Duke University Law School
 
13
 University of Pennsylvania Law School
 
14
 Indiana University School of Law - Bloomington
 
15
 Cornell University Law School
 
16
 University of Minnesota - Twin Cities Law School
 
17
 Georgetown University Law Center
 
18
 University of California, Los Angeles School of Law
 
19
 University of Iowa College of Law
 
20
 George Washington University Law School
 
21
 Boston University School of Law
 
22
 University of Texas at Austin School of Law
 
23
 University of North Carolina - Chapel Hill School of Law
 
24
 Emory University School of Law
 
25
 University of Wisconsin Law School
 

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Choosing the Right Law School / Re: Michigan/Duke/Virginia/Texas$$
« on: March 05, 2008, 02:46:25 PM »
Actually, if I end up going to one of the other three it will probably be Duke as long as I like it when I visit. All of my friends and family look at me cross-eyed when I suggest Michigan or Virginia over Texas and are shocked when I tell them they are pretigious law schools, but everyone seems to know that Duke is a more prestigious school than UT...I know that is a pretty dumb reason to lean toward one school over others, but when all the other tangibles seem to me to be so close then little things (like all the opinions of those who are in my relational circles) begin to matter more. We'll see when I visit. If I really like Michigan or Virginia then my mindset could change in an instant, but right now I'll give the edge to Duke. Again, I'd have to really like Duke to choose it over Texas though.

oooooh nooooooooo, don't get fooled by lay prestige. Going by lay prestige, Princeton Law is one of the top three law schools in the country. Georgetown is right behind it.

I think you've missed the fact that I've already considered most of the other real world factors and have concluded that all three are pretty much the same in my mind. Lay prestige to me is just like icing on the cake...now if all three cakes or otherwise the same, why not take the one with the icing? Your example of Princeton Law doesn't make sense within this context. I understand your overarching principle though, and I agree with you.

I don't even think it is icing. It's, at most, the appearance of icing.

And my own personal opinions re prestige are that it's actively gross if it's not helping you get a real-world benefit such as a job or a clerkship. Lay prestige falls into that category of "prestige for prestige's sake," which I personally feel icky about.

re Princeton law: if your family were to be really impressed by the idea of Princeton Law, that opinion would be valueless. Since they're really impressed by Duke in a cognitively similar way, I can only assume that their opinion is still valueless.


Well that is where you and I differ. My family's opinion of me is not valueless, but is very important to me. I am not saying that I would allow it to control me, but with the goal in mind of being socially and relationaly healthy I try to keep it as a factor in my decisions, and depending on the circumstances I try to give it appropriate weight/influence. In this decision (ie. choosing a law school) it is like icing on the cake to me, IF all other factors are equal. I will be connected with my family members for the rest of my life, so rationalizing my cognitive thought in such a way as to as to conclude that their opinions are valueless would personally make me feel...
..."icky".

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Choosing the Right Law School / Re: Michigan/Duke/Virginia/Texas$$
« on: March 05, 2008, 02:29:58 PM »
Don't leave Michigan out of the equation!  I know several 1Ls who got Biglaw jobs in Texas long before grades came out, in fact the Texans were amongst the first to get offers.  I don't think that you should choose any of MVD over Texas, given your situation, but if you're set on T-14 you should definitely consider Michigan!

Now you go to Michigan, right?...so you do not think there is 90K worth in the difference between the two? I would really appreciate your logic if you don't mind.

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Choosing the Right Law School / Re: Michigan/Duke/Virginia/Texas$$
« on: March 03, 2008, 07:32:36 PM »
If you do not have a copy of the Texas Lawyer Almanac for 2007, any participation in this thread is pure bull. Call Texas Lawyer and get a copy. It lists all BIGTEX associate hiring by LS, as well as all new partners by LS.
HTH.

This is one of the best ideas on this thread. I'm definitely going to do this...I'm actually a looong way from home right now, though, and I won't be back in the US for a few weeks. Can you give us a hint about what the Almanac indicates.

I don't have it on my desk today, so I'm doing this from memory, but it collates information from the 25 largest law firms in TX. It ranges from Akin Gump and Fulbright downward. It also includes the Texas offices of out state firms such as Jones Day and Weil Gotshal. I can post an update on this later.

Ya, if you could I would really appreciate it. My guess is that most of them are from UT (am I right?).

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Choosing the Right Law School / Re: Michigan/Duke/Virginia/Texas$$
« on: March 03, 2008, 07:30:01 PM »
Actually, if I end up going to one of the other three it will probably be Duke as long as I like it when I visit. All of my friends and family look at me cross-eyed when I suggest Michigan or Virginia over Texas and are shocked when I tell them they are pretigious law schools, but everyone seems to know that Duke is a more prestigious school than UT...I know that is a pretty dumb reason to lean toward one school over others, but when all the other tangibles seem to me to be so close then little things (like all the opinions of those who are in my relational circles) begin to matter more. We'll see when I visit. If I really like Michigan or Virginia then my mindset could change in an instant, but right now I'll give the edge to Duke. Again, I'd have to really like Duke to choose it over Texas though.

oooooh nooooooooo, don't get fooled by lay prestige. Going by lay prestige, Princeton Law is one of the top three law schools in the country. Georgetown is right behind it.

I think you've missed the fact that I've already considered most of the other real world factors and have concluded that all three are pretty much the same in my mind. Lay prestige to me is just like icing on the cake...now if all three cakes or otherwise the same, why not take the one with the icing? Your example of Princeton Law doesn't make sense within this context. I understand your overarching principle though, and I agree with you.

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