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I will disagree with Thane Messenger here and just tell you to relax. There is little you can do to prepare yourself all that much. You can read through Law School Confidential if you want a preview, but their advice on studying is way too neurotic for my tastes.

At most, I would read through some of the Examples and Explanations series. I especially found the Torts E&E helpful for its discussion of law school exam taking.

A final tip for your 1L year: Pennoyer v. Neff isn't good law  ;)

I agree, you should be doing more relaxing than anything else. At this point you are not in a position to genuinely gain anything from actual prep. Trying to learn any of the substantive material now would likely be very difficult and of little use; most people say their 1L year was the hardest, but this is only because you are learning how to learn the law and how to read cases in addition to trying to master the material. But, reading one of the prelaw books mentioned above will give you a small glimpse into the enigma that is law school.

Current Law Students / Re: Debt Settlement sit for Bar exam?
« on: February 15, 2010, 06:08:03 PM »
Florida has one of the most stringent character fitness investigations, it routinely takes 6 months for them to process apps of applicants without any red flags and can take up to 2 years if there are any additional issues. As other students who attend law school in FL will be able to tell you, the bar examiners suggest applying during fall of your 1L year to ensure the character fitness determination will be completed by graduation. Additionally, they have one of the most intensive financial questionnaires and requirement. For example, if you answer yes to ever bouncing a check, you have to provide a complete explanation and copies of your checking account statements for the last 2 years. Moreover, they require extensive explanations if you are late on payments (including 30 days).

NY and California also have stringent requirements, but not to the same degree as FL. These three jurisdictions, and DC, attract a ton of people who want to practice there, thus they make the bar and character fitness qualifications more difficult to over come. It is no coincidence that the passage and clearance rate in these jurisdictions are lower than others.

On another note, there is nothing a debt settlement company can do for you that you cannot do yourself for free. There is a ton of info out there so don't waste your money.

If its a "first year" rule you may be able to go the 3rd semester within the calender year(if your admin office allows it but its worth asking thema about) also your school may offer V's where they invalidate a class if you repeat it. My school allows only 2 for the full JD. That may help you too. Worst case scenario consider transfering somewhere. I know that it sounds nuts but the online lawschools would still let you practive in CA and have a rule that you are exempt from the first year "mini-bar" if you complete one year(on the 4year plan) worth of credits "even if the GPA academicly bars you from being admitted to a second year at your home school" (D-'s)

A last ditch idea, but beats flipping hamburgers with a years worth of student debt.  :-\

This is awful advice.

As far as the rule the original poster is asking about, his interpretation seems to be right on point. If your second semester grades, weighted with an additional 10 credits at the same gpa, would put you over a 2.0 you're safe. You will likely be considered a PT student for the rule since the weighting is likely based on the class load you took 2nd semester (thus, as a PTer you took less it makes sense that they would be afforded less extra weight under the exception), but even then the extra weight should be enough to keep you in school since you are already at a 1.96. However, with that said, it may be worth taking some time to really evaluate your goals. It would really sting to work hard to stay and then get the boot next year with the additional debt. Also keep in mind what kind of job you expect. I am at a T1 school, transferred from a T4, and was surprised at the lack of jobs this economy has produced. There is a T2 school in the same market and almost all of the jobs went to students from my school, or to students from T14 schools around the country, and even then they were few and far between with salaries a lot lower than expected. Students at my old T4 were telling me very few employers came to their OCI and none of them were talking to kids outside the top 10%.

Current Law Students / Re: FBI background checks
« on: January 23, 2010, 08:41:15 PM »
Ha ha, this string is great. If you are representative of your fellow students, I understand why Cooley is arguably the worst law school in the country. I always get a kick out of how some 1Ls, after their first semester, seem to think they know everything.

As far as letting people represent themselves pro se, just because it is allowed does not mean the courts or justice system place any confidence in the practice, it merely means they are not excluding those who do not have representation for one reason or another.

Transferring / Re: Should I even consider transferring?
« on: December 14, 2009, 06:39:19 PM »
BC and BU are very selective about transfer students. BC only took 7 and BU only took 13 people last year. It will be tough to move that far up from a T4 school (I was 1st in my class and didn't get in but got into comparatively ranked schools). You should definitely consider it, but temper your expectations about whether you will get in, especially since you are a part time student (probably not deserved, but there is a stigma attached to the fact PTers take a lighter load). You should have a good shot at Northeastern if you do well, but they are only a T3 school and likely not worth it for such a small jump (if any) in prestige or ranking.

You can check out the transfer stats on the schools data page:

Transferring / Re: Open transfer invitation
« on: December 07, 2009, 09:57:34 PM »
There was an article written about these conditional transfers,the T10 school the poster is talking about is Northwestern. 

Here is the link:

Edit: Also, you are getting a little ahead of yourself stating that it is an open invitation, high GPAs in law school are hard to come by and you probably haven't even finished your first semester finals yet. There is no way to have an accurate idea about your grades until they are posted.

Transferring / Re: Better Law school or law review?
« on: July 23, 2009, 05:59:52 PM »
Becoming a visiting student is not as easy as it would appear. First off, you need to make sure your school allows students to visit for a full year and will approve the visit and give equal credit for the work completed (the school i am transferring from only allows 1 semester absent compelling and extraordinary circumstances, which BF/GF issues are not).

The choice hands down is WUSL. Staying at your T4 without law review and not in the top 10% will not open many doors for you and if you graduate outside of the top 10% at a T4 that fact will follow you forever (even if it is lessened over the years it will still be an obstacle that you will have to continually over come) and effectively eliminate any worthwhile clerkships. WUSL is a great school and the extra 30K in tuition will likely be made up in the first 2 years of salary anyhow (more likely during teh first year), even in this economy jobs coming out of wash u will pay substantially ore than jobs for those out of T4's w/o journal or top 10 on their resume.

Transferring / Re: GUCL w/ Journal or NYU/CLS w/o?
« on: July 09, 2009, 04:46:49 PM »
It would be tough to give up the actual law journal, but if it was one of the 10 secondary journals i would take one of the other schools.

Transferring / Re: FT student accepted GULC PT
« on: July 05, 2009, 03:45:45 PM »
I apologize if you felt I was dumping on PT students, I understand that some of you work full time, take care of families, and have other commitments that make FT study impossible (but there are some that have no such commitments). All I was saying is that there is sometimes a stigma attached to PT students (regardless of whether it is deserved or not) and it is something to take into account when deciding on whether to go PT.

Transferring / Re: FT student accepted GULC PT
« on: July 05, 2009, 07:51:32 AM »
For what it is worth, and since this is GULC it may be different, but PT students tend to carry a stigma (deserved or not) because although they ultimately complete the same degree they are not put under the same pressure. I know there are going to be a lot of people who disagree, but they take an average of 9 credits a semester compared to 15. The PT students only had 2 exams and LRW 1st semester here at my school. I understand some work and have other commitments, but a lot do not and they were afforded the same amount of time to prepare for 2 finals that we were given for 4. Career services even gave a presentation talking about how unless you need to go PT you shouldn't because employers will want to know why you choose PT. But, again, because you are looking at GULC it may be different and may not have the same effect or stigma attached.

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