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Politics and Law-Related News / ,
« on: February 05, 2008, 08:35:33 PM »

Minority and Non-Traditional Law Students / .
« on: January 13, 2008, 08:45:08 PM »

Law School Admissions / Re: All quiet still on the NW and Penn front?
« on: December 11, 2007, 03:43:07 PM »
This is going to sound crazy, but I signed with Penn without ever having been to Philadelphia.  I was going to ask some posters the same question you asked me.  I spent all Saturday analyzing neighborhoods based on ethnic diversity, prices, crime, distance, etc.  If you care anything about that, specifically the first aspect, let me know and I'll send you some info.

Law School Admissions / Re: All quiet still on the NW and Penn front?
« on: December 11, 2007, 03:11:36 PM »
two years ago actually.  LSN doesn't show any decisions yet this year.  And although I'm not watching LSN as eagerly as those waiting on decisions, I'm still watching with interest to see who I'll be spending the next three years of my life with.

Law School Admissions / Re: All quiet still on the NW and Penn front?
« on: December 11, 2007, 02:24:11 PM »
I'm really excited to find out who I'm going to school with.  From that first batch of admitted students, there must be a few ED applicants.

Incoming 1Ls / Re: Penn 2L taking questions for a little bit...
« on: December 02, 2007, 06:09:29 AM »
Estimate, please, what percent is older than 30?  And are there any Spanish neighborhoods close to the University?

Studying for the LSAT / Re: LSATs canceled in NE and SD - delays scores?
« on: December 01, 2007, 01:27:10 PM »
And here I am sweating in shorts and flip flops. 

Incoming 1Ls / Re: What is Cornell/Duke's "Schtick"?
« on: December 01, 2007, 12:03:32 PM »
...but if UCLA weren't in LA, specifically if it were in DC, I probably would have chosen to go there.

And if your aunt had balls, she'd be your uncle.


Incoming 1Ls / Re: Penn 2L taking questions for a little bit...
« on: December 01, 2007, 12:02:47 PM »
What about ages of students?  Spanish neighborhoods?

Law School Admissions / Re: Is Anyone Else Giving Up on NU?
« on: December 01, 2007, 09:34:06 AM »
Goodness, I wasn't being negative toward older people. I'm saying that I would rather not be 30 years old before I finish law school.

I finished undergrad at 20, and I know what I want to do. No amount of work experience is going to change that. I'd like to go ahead and finish law school so that I can get on to more important things (raising a family, getting a job, etc.)

Though older people go to law school and do very well, they face pressures that I don't want to have to worry about.

They have also likley been succseful at something other than school. Real world experince helps you understand the law. Professors use real world examples from the experiences of classmates to make the concepts understandable to those who have not been introduced to them before. I can only imagine what a law class would be like with nothing but 20 y.o.:

Professor ok lets try and put this concept into prospective using real world examples. Who here has been through the housing buying process?

Class: *crickets*

Professor: Ok, um who here has dealt with leasing issues like rented a property to someone else?

Class: *crickets*

Professor: Oh my, who here has rented a place and singed all the paperwork themselves?

Class: *crickets*

Professor: Ok, letís talk about consideration. Who here as written a contract for work or to sell their services?

Class: *crickets*

Professor: Ok who has been part of negotiating a contract maybe for long-term employment?

Class: *crickets*

Professor: have any of you ever even read a contract?

Class: *crickets*

Professor: Today we are going to discuss duty. Who here has an example of a duty from their work experience?

Class: *crickets*

Professor: ok, has anyone every been injured and had to deal with an insurance company?

Class: *crickets*

Professor: Oh my, ok has anyoneís parents, friend neighbor ever been injured by anything anywhere when you actually paid attention?

Class: *crickets*

Civ Pro:
Professor: Letís talk about the process of a case moving through the legal system using examples your familiar with. Who here has been involved in a civil case before?

Class: *crickets*

Professor: Ok, who has been served a summons to give testimony in a case before?

Class: *crickets*

Professor: Hmm, has anyone every been called and picked for a jury?

Class: *crickets*

Professor: Ok has anyone here actually ever been inside a courtroom before, not just seen on TV, maybe in grade school you went on a field trip or something? ANYONE?

Class: *crickets*

On and on it goes. I think itís great that you know you want to be lawyer at such a young age. And that your proceeding as quickly ass possible, but I also think this is going to be a real disadvantage for you compared to your ďolderĒ classmates. I also think, from my experience, itís going to be harder for you to grasp some of these concepts not having done much besides school in 20 years.

Youíre going to be relying, more heavily than you think now, on the experience of your classmates who have done something other than school. A lot of time is wasted in law classes explaining things to people who have never seen a contract, bought a house or even been inside a courtroom. Having classmates who have done those things helps put concepts your trying to learn into prospective, using real world examples you can grasp. If you donít have that, law can be very difficult understand abstractly. The law more than anything else is about real world problems that people have had, you read cases about real world issues, if you donít understand what they are talking about in the facts, the law does not come as easily.  

I dare say I found most of the first year classes easier because I had some personal experience in each of them, I had written contracts before, I had bought and leased properties, I had sued people, these were not abstract things to me, they were not completely new ideas with no basis in personal experience. Does that mean you should not go to school now? No. Go, but I would strongly advise you to make friends with people in your class who know what the real world is like. You will find they can explain the abstract law better than most of your profs.

I loved the post.  And like you said, since Utilitarianjac knows s/he wants to be a lawyer, the right time to go is now.  Running marathons does more to prepare you for the javeline throw than does watching TV, but less than throwing the javeline.  If you want to throw the javeline, train by throwing the javeline.

I've never bought a house, never subletted to anyone, never sued nor been sued by anyone.  Yet my experiences will make me a much different lawyer than I would be if I had gone to law school at age 22.  I'll agree there.  Still the bottom line is that Utilitarianjac can feel sorry for me (and maybe understandably so in some aspects), and meh, whatever.  I don't much care.  I'm still impressed that s/he is in law school already.

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