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... Also remember that the quality of the student, in general, is not as likely to be the "type A" wiz, the one who nearly aces everything as an undergrad in order to attend the best law school. ...

I think you are making a mistake on that point.  The online schools differ from the regional, state, and non-ABA brick and mortar schools.  If you have a student at a brick and mortar school that is only state accredited, they likely did not have the academic skill to get into a better school.  In the case of the online/corr. schools though, you add another class of student, the ones who just don't have the time to leave their current profession and go to a physical law school.  As an example, when I went to CA to take the Baby Bar, I was talking with some other students.  One was a heart surgeon at the Mayo Clinic, one was a CPA and investigator for the IRS, one was in federal law enforcement, and I have a MS in Software Development.  None of us were failures as students, we just had families, and couldn't drop everything for law school.  I suspect that the higher rate of Bar passage for correspondence/online schools is due to this group.

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Online Law Schools / Re: I passed the Baby Bar---Just barely.............
« on: October 05, 2007, 08:55:38 AM »
I used the Fleming's Baby Bar review home study course.  40+ essays in each topic, outlines for each topic, MC in each topic, and audio cassette; great stuff.  I wrote out under timed conditions 10 or 11 essays in each topic, did about 700 MC total, and issue spotted another 13 or so essays in each topic.  That plus the review tapes worked very well for me.

When I found an area that I was consistently missing (partially or completely), I would study the Gilbert's summaries on that area until I had it down.

One thing you need to understand is the format that the examiners want to see answers in.  I believe that, content being equal, proper format can significantly affect the grade.  Studying the model answers will help with this.

I got an A.

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Online Law Schools / Re: I passed the Baby Bar---Just barely.............
« on: October 04, 2007, 09:51:52 AM »
Oct 06.  What do you want to know?

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Current Law Students / Re: What legal theory could make this work?
« on: September 19, 2007, 01:18:45 PM »
You don't mention if it is the other party's insurance company or your client's insurance company. 

If it is your client's company, perhaps you could include those costs as special damages under contract law.  If it is the other party's insurance, you may be able to use contract law and special damages if you classify your client as the third party beneficiary of the insurance contract.

If you are going based on tort law, I don't see why you couldn't include those costs in the damages there as well.

*shrug*

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Current Law Students / Re: Students Uniting for Big Law Firm Changes
« on: April 03, 2007, 07:33:43 AM »
Here's a thought: don't like the hours or working environment?  Don't work there.

lol.  Agreed.

"We want all the pay and prestige that comes with the big law firm, but we don't want to do any of the work involved." ::) ::)

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Current Law Students / Re: Note-taking software
« on: March 23, 2007, 10:22:03 AM »
...  Also, you can't make table in OneNote, so I just make them in Word and insert a screen clipping.

OneNote 07 does have very nice table functionality. 

I downloaded and tried the Onenote 07 trial version for the past two months, and just bought the academic version ($60 at Amazon.com).  I definitely find that it is extremely useful and far superior to Word.  I would think that it is very dependent on how a person thinks and how they like to organize information.

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Nicely said jrut.

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Current Law Students / What can you expect as a Tax Attorney?
« on: February 28, 2007, 06:26:07 AM »
I am curious what sort of issues you would expect to deal with as a Tax Attorney (Yes, "Taxes", I know, you can skip that snide post).  What would the average day of a tax attorney be like, etc...?

I would appreciate any information.

Thanks.

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Online Law Schools / Re: Something different: Novus University
« on: February 27, 2007, 06:31:47 AM »
... plan to take bar in New York, one of the states that allow Distance Learning to sit for bar.

Where do you see that DL students can sit for the NY bar?  I thought that NY was one of the states the expressly forbid it?

If I'm reading this wrong or you have better information, please let me know.  I'm from NY, and assumed I would never be licensed in the state.


From http://www.nybarexam.org/court.htm#520.2%20Admission%20upon%20examination


520.3 Study of law in law school. (a)(1) General. Except as otherwise provided in paragraph (2) of this subdivision, an applicant may qualify to take the New York State bar examination by submitting to the New York State Board of Law Examiners satisfactory proof that the applicant attended and was graduated with a first degree in law from a law school or law schools which at all times during the period of applicant's attendance was or were approved.

(2) An applicant may qualify to take the New York State bar examination by submitting to the New York State Board of Law Examiners satisfactory proof that applicant attended and successfully completed the prescribed course of instruction required for a first degree in law, but the State Board of Law Examiners shall not certify the applicant for admission to the bar pursuant to section 520.7(a) of this Part until the applicant has presented a certificate showing that the applicant has been awarded a first degree in law.

(b) Approved law school defined. An approved law school for purposes of these rules is one:

    (1) whose program and course of study meet the requirements of this section, as shown by the law school's bulletin or catalogue, which shall be filed annually with the Clerk of the Court of Appeals; and

    (2) which is approved by the American Bar Association.

(c) Instructional requirement. (1) An approved law school shall require for its first degree in law the successful completion of either a full-time or a part-time program which consists of:

    (i) a minimum of 80 semester hours of credit, including at least 60 semester hours in professional law subjects. A maximum of 20 of the required 80 semester hours may be courses related to legal training or clinical courses as provided in sections (2) and (5) of this subdivision;

    (ii) at least 1,120 hours of classroom study, exclusive of examination time

    (2) Other courses related to legal training taught by members of the faculty of said law school or university, or taught by members of the faculty of any university or college with which the law school offers a joint degree program, may, in the discretion of the law school, be substituted for professional law subjects to the extent of no more than 10 of the required 80 semester hours.

    (3) No credit shall be allowed for correspondence courses.

    (4) All study shall be evaluated by authentic written examination, except where such examination is inappropriate, such as in seminar and practice court courses or courses which are principally concerned with legal writing and research.

    (5) Clinical and like courses may, in the discretion of the law school, be substituted for classroom periods to the extent of no more than 20 of the required 80 semester hours, where:

    (i) a description of the course has been filed with the Clerk of the Court of Appeals, either separately or in the law school's annual catalogue or bulletin;

    (ii) the course is under the direct and immediate supervision of a member or members of the faculty;

    (iii) the course includes adequate classroom meetings or seminars during the same semester in which the clinical work is completed in order to insure contemporaneous, discussion review and evaluation of the clinical experience; and

    (iv) the law school certificate of attendance filed with the New York State Board of Law Examiners lists separately the credit allowed for clinical courses or other non classroom study.

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Online Law Schools / Re: Stop Hiding behind your ABA school...
« on: February 25, 2007, 02:46:38 PM »
... in fact, if you look in the yellow pages you will find a bunch of crappy lawyers who passed the bar.

Since a majority of them come from ABA approved schools, we agree that ABA certification doesn't really act as an effecive screening device for the ultimate quality of the lawyer?

I do agree that for whether logical or not, the school name will carry weight.  Ultimate, you hope that competence will win the day, even if it is an up hill fight.

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