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Title: For the older students...
Post by: ->Soon on March 27, 2006, 07:49:16 PM
I enjoy going to school, but anyone else get tired of the stoopid kids?

I mean, the girls are great to look at, but they start talking, and I
just want to scream "SHUT UP!!"

Who cares about the OC? or how drunk you got last weekend?!?!?

I guess what Im wondering is, does anyone else think they will feel out of place going back to school, surrounded by these young whipper snappers?  :-\

(im 34 btw)
Title: Re: For the older students...
Post by: jacy85 on March 27, 2006, 07:52:09 PM
I'm coming up on 25, and I feel that way (except about the girls being nice to look at...It might be true, but I don't care)

Maybe I'm just old before my time...
Title: Re: For the older students...
Post by: Jolie Was Here on March 28, 2006, 04:56:04 AM
I know what you mean!  Just reading some of the discussions on this board, I'm kind of gearing up for three years of being perpetually irritated.  Should be great for my patience threshold.
I went back to grad school after a few years out, and my younger colleagues were mostly pretty cool.  I will admit, tho, every time one of my fellow students shrieked something like, "Oh.My.God!  You don't look that old!!" upon learning my age I wanted to stick something in my eye.  And I was only 25 at the time!
I officially accepted that I was going to be Old in law school when I realized that I was trolling for hot unmarried professors on my visits instead of flirting with the male students. 
Title: Re: For the older students...
Post by: ->Soon on March 28, 2006, 05:10:28 AM
hmmm, I doubt there will be many hot lady professors...

Though I could be wrong.

I will just settle for the hot undergrads, and do my best to tune them out.
 ;D
Title: Re: For the older students...
Post by: Jolie Was Here on March 28, 2006, 05:22:44 AM
Yeah, I've been coming up pretty dry in most of my searches.  But a girl can dream. 
Title: Re: For the older students...
Post by: Erapitt on March 28, 2006, 05:31:44 AM
Yeah, I've been coming up pretty dry in most of my searches.  But a girl can dream. 

Hilarious lol.  You shouldn't have much trouble if that is your pic.
Title: Re: For the older students...
Post by: ->Soon on March 28, 2006, 05:32:07 AM
If your going to be living in NY, youll be surrounded by guys, hitting on you non-stop.

Im looking at small college towns(UF and FSU) so Im going to be stuck with cute/(young)stoopid    :-\
Title: Re: For the older students...
Post by: queencruella on March 28, 2006, 05:53:27 AM
Really? I hear that the single male to female ratio is heavily in favor of males and that it's very hard for women in NYC. 

Jolie- you crack me up with the trolling for hot professors. I keep on telling my friends that's what I will have to do because there is no way I'll date a 22-year-old law student.  I went for a master's degree in education and the ages of students in the program varied a lot more than they will in LS. There were a lot of twentysomethings, but there were equally as many older students who were married with children.
Title: Re: For the older students...
Post by: lincolnsgrandson on March 28, 2006, 06:06:21 AM
I know exactly what you mean about the immature students, but seriously - you have to get over it.  I watched a lot of the giggly 22 year-olds get better grades than mine (law school may not be like college, but it's more like school than it is like your job), and reap the benefits of superior job offers.  So much for law firms valuing experience and maturity.  Some say the firms love to pluck them off the tree when they are young and naive - they'll believe everything they're told.
You will feel will out of touch with the young uns, but try not to be arrogant or paternal/maternal.  It won't help.
Title: Re: For the older students...
Post by: Jolie Was Here on March 28, 2006, 06:18:35 AM
Yeah, I've been coming up pretty dry in most of my searches.  But a girl can dream. 

Hilarious lol.  You shouldn't have much trouble if that is your pic.

 ;) Thanks!

queencruella (great name, btw), you hit it square on.  The NYC dating scene is just wacky.  The male/female ratio isn't great.  And it's brutal without even considering the #s.  I mean, on the one hand, you're constantly surrounded by beautiful people.  But on the other hand, you're constantly surrounded by beautiful people.  It can work either way.

I'm getting a chuckle out of my future dating prospects in general.  A few years back I seriously dated a guy while he was finishing law school, studying for the bar, searching for a job, etc...and I watched his personality gradually morph until he was this wretched unbearable beast during bar review.  He's a great guy, but he was such a prick during that process that I swore loudly and publicly to NEVER date another law student or lawyer.  We're still pretty good friends, and he's having a field day with this one. 

I know exactly what you mean about the immature students, but seriously - you have to get over it...You will feel will out of touch with the young uns, but try not to be arrogant or paternal/maternal.  It won't help.

You're totally right.  But if we can't be arrogant and paternalistic here, then where?  We'll have to face harsh reality soon enough.
Title: Re: For the older students...
Post by: cyberrev on March 28, 2006, 06:24:51 AM
at 46, i'm knocking at death's door, so of course my hearing is starting to go.

so i'll just let my mind wander while i scope them out.  or else, i'll just substitute what i wish they were saying in my mind and respond to that instead.
Title: Re: For the older students...
Post by: HippieLawChick on March 28, 2006, 06:33:24 AM
I feel irritated posting on this forum A LOT.  Sometimes, there are people giggling and acting really dumb.  I can't stand it when some of those not blessed with common sense ask questions about the most minute crap, like "what if I break a shoelace during law school?"

Argh!
Title: Re: For the older students...
Post by: Erapitt on March 28, 2006, 06:36:22 AM
Or for the 30,000 time: "What is the difference between subsidized and unsubsidized loans?"
Title: Re: For the older students...
Post by: HippieLawChick on March 28, 2006, 06:43:46 AM
LOL!
Title: Re: For the older students...
Post by: queencruella on March 28, 2006, 06:52:43 AM
Or "More than 6 schools on the FAFSA" - that topic crops up like every week. Can people not read the FAQs or something?
Title: Re: For the older students...
Post by: Erapitt on March 28, 2006, 06:54:18 AM
My personal favorite are the sex polls.  Some of these folks seriously need to get out and get laid  :o........
Title: Re: For the older students...
Post by: HippieLawChick on March 28, 2006, 07:09:25 AM
I was never getting laid more than when I was 22 or so.  WTF?  Can't they just hook up with each other and stop talking about it?

I do have to say, I love the threads supposedly debating about Harvard v. Columbia with a full ride, which are really just someone bragging.  You notice they rarely post their career goals in them, just stats and $$$!

STFU about it already.  If you are smart enough to get into Harvard, you should be smart enough to make your own decisions.
Title: Re: For the older students...
Post by: cyberrev on March 28, 2006, 07:10:13 AM

STFU about it already.  If you are smart enough to get into Harvard, you should be smart enough to make your own decisions.



anecdotal evidence indicates otherwise.
Title: Re: For the older students...
Post by: Erapitt on March 28, 2006, 07:11:08 AM
Intelligence and common sense are world's apart hippie haha.
Title: Re: For the older students...
Post by: plaintext on March 28, 2006, 07:21:51 AM
Intelligence and common sense are world's apart hippie haha.

your gift of common sense is stellar!
Title: Re: For the older students...
Post by: Erapitt on March 28, 2006, 07:22:19 AM
Are you stalking me?  You really need to get a life.
Title: Re: For the older students...
Post by: HippieLawChick on March 28, 2006, 07:24:19 AM
LOL at both of you.  That's awesome!

Sometimes, don't you feel like the old lady/man sitting on their porch and saying "Damn kids, get off my lawn?"
Title: Re: For the older students...
Post by: ->Soon on March 28, 2006, 08:09:03 AM
just give them really bad advice.

be that 5th out of five doctors.

"nah, crack isnt bad for you.  thats the MAN just trying to keep you from having fun"

the lesson learned will stay with them for a lifetime.

hopefully...
Title: Re: For the older students...
Post by: Erapitt on March 28, 2006, 08:17:10 AM
Guys, I have a question that is just burning inside me and I searched and searched the boards for the answer but cannot find it anywhere....  Should I prep prior to 1L?

Please let me know.  Thanks in advance!




 :P
Title: Re: For the older students...
Post by: phooey on March 28, 2006, 09:08:47 AM
Isn't ragging on younger students a little childish?  Give 'em a break!

I don't know if you expect people who are 22 or 23 to act older than they are, but they usually don't and won't.  I know I didn't.  Thank god when I was that age I didn't post on a message board.
I would hate to have 85% of what I would have said at that age be immortalized in cyberspace.

Title: Re: For the older students...
Post by: shaz on March 28, 2006, 09:22:31 AM
some of the debates do provide useful info.  that full-ride thread comes to mind.  the funniest thing is that before i came to this board i would have thought i was set just getting into any law school.  getting a full ride at some school?  please!  i would have been dancing in the street!  now all a full ride does is make me even more pensive.
Title: Re: For the older students...
Post by: HippieLawChick on March 28, 2006, 10:02:11 AM
Yeah...I can see that archival!
Title: Re: For the older students...
Post by: gogo73 on March 28, 2006, 10:08:18 AM
HippieLawChick, when I think of the pros and cons of UofW.  You go right into the Pros column.  Your posts are either incredibly right or downright hilarious and sometimes both.  You hit the nail squarely on the head, I love how so many of these kids on here talk about Harvard v. Columbia w a full ride v. NYU.  Not one word about career goals, but rather what free tshirts or mouse pads they got in the mail and in what sort of envelope their Yale deferral came in.  And yes, I'm one of the old ones.  And by that, I mean over 30.  Maybe we'll be seeing each other in Wisconsin.
Title: Re: For the older students...
Post by: queencruella on March 28, 2006, 10:09:02 AM
I think age really has no correlation with how annoying people are in class. That's just a matter of personality. I've been in classes with irritating younger students, and with irritating older students.  The funny thing was the vast majority of the time, the people who talked big weren't actually doing the work and got much lower grades than the more silent types.
Title: Re: For the older students...
Post by: gogo73 on March 28, 2006, 10:11:13 AM
I meant "bright" not "right", but that too.
Title: Re: For the older students...
Post by: joespecial on March 28, 2006, 10:14:39 AM
I was never getting laid more than when I was 22 or so.  WTF?  Can't they just hook up with each other and stop talking about it?

Thank you !!! WTF are sexual subjects doing on a law school discussion board anyway? These people need to get out of the house. (I mean, so do I, but it's not because I can't get laid.)
Title: Re: For the older students...
Post by: SplitFinger on March 28, 2006, 10:21:44 AM
In my experience it's the older students who are most irritating in class.  When I was getting oracle certified I had an unbearably pompous fortysomething who felt the need to regale us all with his stories from the trenches during class, in spite of the fact that they had little value in terms of clarifying lessons.   He would actually interrupt the teacher to waste time this way.  I had similar problems in grad school - folks who were inclined to be dismissive of class content, during class, because they didn't see the value of it based on their own experience.

Ugh, I had someone like that in my LSAT prep course.

Note to self:  When I get to law school, keep my yap shut in class.
Title: Re: For the older students...
Post by: shaz on March 28, 2006, 10:36:09 AM
my only fear is that i will be forced to open my yap.  "as an aa, what/how do you feel about....?"  i hope my, "no comment" will fly.
Title: Re: For the older students...
Post by: phooey on March 28, 2006, 10:40:08 AM
I agree..I'm usually irritated by people who display the character flaws I know I have too.
I'll have to try hard to not be a gunner in LS.

The people who annoy me most in class and on this board are the hard-asses; the super-opinionated "my way or the highway" types.  When I was younger, I thought it was cool to be like that, and I definitely see it a lot in the younger posters, but I see it in some of the older ones too. However, I do think that older posters/students are more inclined to have a more inclusive persective on things, or at least be willing to try.  A younger student might be more likely to mistake being an unyielding jackass with being strong or self-confident.
Title: Re: For the older students...
Post by: wunder on March 28, 2006, 03:57:06 PM
I think I've found a home on this message thread.  I went to an admitted student even this weekend and was irritated with how many times the other kids asked about where the bars were in each neighborhood we visited on the tour and how much of their conversation revolved around either 1) getting drunk and partying, 2) getting drunker and partying, 3) how much money their daddy was spending on the house/condo he just bought them for LS, etc.  I felt very old and am glad to know I'm not the only one.
Title: Re: For the older students...
Post by: joespecial on March 28, 2006, 04:47:49 PM
The people who annoy me most in class and on this board are the hard-asses; the super-opinionated "my way or the highway" types.  When I was younger, I thought it was cool to be like that, and I definitely see it a lot in the younger posters, but I see it in some of the older ones too.

Yeah, one of my pet peeves is people, whatever their age, who think they know everything. Of course, it is more unlikely that a younger person knows everything than an older person, but there are plenty of the latter who have spent their entire lives learning absolutely nothing and are just as stupid at 42 as they were at 22.
Title: Re: For the older students...
Post by: Highway on March 30, 2006, 06:19:59 AM
The people who annoy me most in class and on this board are the hard-asses; the super-opinionated "my way or the highway" types.

Hmmm...my way IS the Highway (see my name).
Title: Re: For the older students...
Post by: HippieLawChick on March 30, 2006, 06:38:38 AM
HippieLawChick, when I think of the pros and cons of UofW. You go right into the Pros column. Your posts are either incredibly right or downright hilarious and sometimes both. You hit the nail squarely on the head, I love how so many of these kids on here talk about Harvard v. Columbia w a full ride v. NYU. Not one word about career goals, but rather what free tshirts or mouse pads they got in the mail and in what sort of envelope their Yale deferral came in. And yes, I'm one of the old ones. And by that, I mean over 30. Maybe we'll be seeing each other in Wisconsin.

This is one of the nicest things anyone has ever said to me here.  I hope we do see each other at Wisconsin.  We can share denture cream!  :)
Title: Re: For the older students...
Post by: Law-Man on March 30, 2006, 07:49:26 AM
All these young just graduated, no life experiance, KIDS are making me dread going to LS. It was one of the major reasons I decided not to apply until now.
I know that I am only 28 but I am married, have worked for 6 years already, and don't really care about which bar we are going to hit after class and whose bed I will wake up in tommorow morning.
I just want to get in, work hard, rank high, and get out as quickly as possible. There is to much going on to care about the rest.
Title: Re: For the older students...
Post by: 1Laspirant on March 30, 2006, 07:55:10 AM
Exactly. Exactly.

I just want to get in, work hard, rank high, and get out as quickly as possible. There is to much going on to care about the rest.
Title: Re: For the older students...
Post by: jacy85 on March 30, 2006, 07:56:51 AM
All these young just graduated, no life experiance, KIDS are making me dread going to LS. It was one of the major reasons I decided not to apply until now.
I know that I am only 28 but I am married, have worked for 6 years already, and don't really care about which bar we are going to hit after class and whose bed I will wake up in tommorow morning.
I just want to get in, work hard, rank high, and get out as quickly as possible. There is to much going on to care about the rest.

There are definitely people at every school that have this mindset.  We're hard to find, however, since we usually go home and spend time with our significant others! :)
Title: Re: For the older students...
Post by: Mr. Pink on March 30, 2006, 08:03:53 AM
at 46, i'm knocking at death's door, so of course my hearing is starting to go.

so i'll just let my mind wander while i scope them out. or else, i'll just substitute what i wish they were saying in my mind and respond to that instead.

Rev your that old, lol.  Thought you were in your 30's, ohh well.  Im the old guy in my classes too, only 25 but I look 30.  Yeah the kids are annoying.
Title: Re: For the older students...
Post by: Law-Man on March 30, 2006, 08:10:29 AM
There are definitely people at every school that have this mindset.  We're hard to find, however, since we usually go home and spend time with our significant others! :)
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Yeah and my wife is very much looking forward to supporting me for three years while I lock myself in a library and try to become the next nominee for the supreme court.
Title: Re: For the older students...
Post by: Monarch heels on March 30, 2006, 11:14:28 PM
I just started posting on LSD but this is the best thread by far. 

I'm 28 and like a lot of other people on this thread, already have one graduate degree already.  I'm currently on a year-long fellowship at the UN- and am the oldest person on this fellowship yet the youngest person in my particular department.  I feel really stuck in the middle- too old to hang with the fresh out of college crowd till 4am yet too young to be taken seriously by the staff geritocracy.

I've been wondering what it will be like in law school- starting over one more time (again) probably.

Title: Re: For the older students...
Post by: dodo97 on March 30, 2006, 11:52:13 PM
I'm a bit of a tweener at 27 (I'll turn 28 in Oct.). Old enough to fit in with the more non-trads, but young enough to hang with the straight-out-of-school kids. And I actually do fit that mold. Half the time, I'll be sitting with you, complaining about the stupid kids, but the other half of the time, I'll be the one you're complaining about.

I can do, and enjoy doing, the all-night bar thing sometimes, and while I don't watch the OC, I reluctantly admit that I still watch soaps fairly regularly, and I'm a guy (cut me some slack, though... my work schedule has been nights for years, so it just kinda works out!). On the flip side, it's been five years since I've even gone on a date with a woman under 30, so I obviously can mesh well there, too.

I think the best way to go about LS is to look for the best in everybody and focus on that, rather than letting yourself get annoyed.
Title: Re: For the older students...
Post by: LitDoc on March 31, 2006, 12:27:29 PM
I think, without having previously articulated it, that I have a rough 15-yr range in both directions that I consider my "peer group." I'm 34-going-on-35, and I am perfectly comfortable viewing a 20-yr-old as a peer, and likewise the 50-yr-old. The age is FAR less important to me than the maturity and the intelligence.

In other words, I'm not bothered by the idea of being around a bunch of 23-yr-olds, any more than I'm bothered by the idea of being around a bunch of 45-yr-olds. It's only the immature and unintelligent ones that will bother me -- and I know plenty of those on both ends of the age spectrum.
Title: Re: For the older students...
Post by: maka nani on March 31, 2006, 01:18:10 PM
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Ugh, I had someone like that in my LSAT prep course.

Note to self:  When I get to law school, keep my yap shut in class.

hahah Split - that you did!

i consider myself more nontrad...I'll be 27 in October and I've been working full time since i was 20 and have been working since i was just about 16.  Never had the "college" experience, always been a commuter who worked, etc.  i'm definitely old before my time but I am ok with that  :D
Title: Re: For the older students...
Post by: lincolnsgrandson on April 06, 2006, 08:53:22 AM
Try to play Beer Pong (aka Beiruit) at least once during your first year. 
I had never heard of it either.  The opportunity will almost certainly arise.  It's fun, and it's a good way to show your classmates you don't have a stick up your ass.
Title: Re: For the older students...
Post by: phooey on April 06, 2006, 10:44:51 AM
Try to play Beer Pong (aka Beiruit) at least once during your first year. 
I had never heard of it either.  The opportunity will almost certainly arise.  It's fun, and it's a good way to show your classmates you don't have a stick up your ass.

I'll play it.  And I will win!
Title: Re: For the older students...
Post by: HippieLawChick on April 06, 2006, 10:52:27 AM
Try to play Beer Pong (aka Beiruit) at least once during your first year. 
I had never heard of it either.  The opportunity will almost certainly arise.  It's fun, and it's a good way to show your classmates you don't have a stick up your ass.

What if you do have a stick up there?  Any suggestions for hiding it?  I wear long skirts much of the time to hide the tell-tale handle to mine.
Title: Re: For the older students...
Post by: lincolnsgrandson on April 06, 2006, 11:04:30 AM
Good question.  You can choose to keep the stick up your ass, or to remove it at chosen intervals to stimulate blood flow and other necessary functions.
But you just don't want your classmates to know it's there. 
Also, removal of said stick will help your Beer Pong game.
Title: Re: For the older students...
Post by: HippieLawChick on April 06, 2006, 11:27:20 AM
Thanks for the advice!   
Title: Re: For the older students...
Post by: Law-Man on April 06, 2006, 11:28:55 AM
Beer Pong, good.
Got it.
Any other advice?
Title: Re: For the older students...
Post by: Jolie Was Here on April 06, 2006, 11:40:33 AM
Try to play Beer Pong (aka Beiruit) at least once during your first year. 
I had never heard of it either.  The opportunity will almost certainly arise.  It's fun, and it's a good way to show your classmates you don't have a stick up your ass.

What if you do have a stick up there?  Any suggestions for hiding it?  I wear long skirts much of the time to hide the tell-tale handle to mine.

This is some funny *&^%.  Hippie Law Chick, you're my hero! 
Title: Re: For the older students...
Post by: HippieLawChick on April 06, 2006, 11:42:31 AM
:)

Thanks.  I live my life only to serve as an example to others.
Title: Re: For the older students...
Post by: likewise on April 06, 2006, 11:44:50 AM
Jeezu, beer pong.  God, it's been ages.  I used to be good.  I coulda been a contender.
Title: Re: For the older students...
Post by: lincolnsgrandson on April 06, 2006, 11:46:45 AM
- any other advice? -
I discussed it before, but I recommend keeping quiet when you think your young classmates are immature.  You will, often, feel more mature and superior to them.  It's inevitable.  Or you'll just feel older because, say for instance, nobody remembers the Challenger explosion or that Reagan got shot. Just keep it to yourself.
And avoid about your life, career, or other experience as part of your class discussion, even if you think it's relevant.  Watch when someone else does it - pretentious isn't it?  Let the other old person take the fall.
You'll have opportunities to talk to with other students after class, and some will be interested in your life and career.  The younger students don't automatically dislike the older students, just the ones who are arrogant in class.  My classmates were really supportive and encouraging when I got married, and they are now that I'm having a baby.  

Beer pong.  At least once.
Title: Re: For the older students...
Post by: Law-Man on April 06, 2006, 11:54:05 AM
Does anyone think that we are going to be left out of stuff like study groups? Being the older married guy, I feal like I am going to have a hard time getting invited and having time to attend those types of things. Also, can I do well without them?
Title: Re: For the older students...
Post by: Jolie Was Here on April 06, 2006, 11:55:48 AM
I have faith that I'm going to be able to navigate my law school relationships just fine, without either a) incessantly reminding my colleagues that they are younger than I and therefore clearly inferior, or b) pretending that no one will notice that I'm older if I just get drunk and put a lamp shade on my head and act the way I assume all Law Students are supposed to act.  

See, I don't mean to come across as sarcastic, but I think there's gotta be some gray area between superiority and beer pong.  I mean, I wasn't into beer pong when I was 21.  And my ass is obstruction-free (or was the last time I checked, anyway.)
Title: Re: For the older students...
Post by: likewise on April 06, 2006, 11:56:33 AM
Does anyone think that we are going to be left out of stuff like study groups? Being the older married guy, I feal like I am going to have a hard time getting invited and having time to attend those types of things. Also, can I do well without them?

Man, we'll be hanging with each other, kicking the snot outta the youngins come exam time.   ;)
Title: Re: For the older students...
Post by: Law-Man on April 06, 2006, 12:04:46 PM

Man, we'll be hanging with each other, kicking the snot outta the youngins come exam time.   ;)

I hope so.
Title: Re: For the older students...
Post by: Law-Man on April 06, 2006, 12:07:11 PM
See, I don't mean to come across as sarcastic, but I think there's gotta be some gray area between superiority and beer pong.  I mean, I wasn't into beer pong when I was 21.  And my ass is obstruction-free (or was the last time I checked, anyway.)

I am pretty sure my ass is clear also, and I don't even know what beer pong is.
 
Title: Re: For the older students...
Post by: LitDoc on April 06, 2006, 12:08:11 PM
I don't drink. No beer pong for me.

Basketball? Frisbee golf? Twister?
Title: Re: For the older students...
Post by: HippieLawChick on April 06, 2006, 12:09:52 PM
I won't be left out of study groups...I am going to seek out people who are non-trads the first day of class and get to know them for exactly this reason.
Title: Re: For the older students...
Post by: LitDoc on April 06, 2006, 12:25:26 PM
I won't be left out of study groups...I am going to seek out people who are non-trads the first day of class and get to know them for exactly this reason.

Me too, though I won't necessarily try to focus on nontrads. People who seem smart, who I think I can study well with, regardless of age. But I'll definitely be proactive about it, because I know I won't automatically be in on these things if I don't go out of my way...
Title: Re: For the older students...
Post by: Law-Man on April 06, 2006, 12:37:44 PM
I set up a poll asking the reason we all are heading to Law School.
I though it would be intersting to find out why we are all crazy.
Please vote, Thanks
Title: Re: For the older students...
Post by: aerynn on April 06, 2006, 01:02:40 PM
For me, this is a big plus with W&M.  The crowd looking for bars and free beer Thursdays are going to GW.  (They do have "thirsty thursday" there, as well as Bar Review -- where they get together to go out to get drunk).  I wasn't into that stuff as a 22 year old and I am pretty sure I will get along fine with the 22 year olds that aren't upset by the lack of a bar scene at W&M.  And if not, well, there is room for them at the bottom of the curve, right?  :D
Title: Re: For the older students...
Post by: phooey on April 06, 2006, 06:06:52 PM
Okay, I have no idea what beer pong is.

Don't worry about being left out of study groups.  If you know what you're doing (unless you're a total jerk or a sociopath) no one will deny you, or your stick, a spot.
I was an old undergrad too, and I was a study group VIP. 
Title: Re: For the older students...
Post by: Erapitt on April 06, 2006, 07:50:16 PM
For me, this is a big plus with W&M.  The crowd looking for bars and free beer Thursdays are going to GW.  (They do have "thirsty thursday" there, as well as Bar Review -- where they get together to go out to get drunk).  I wasn't into that stuff as a 22 year old and I am pretty sure I will get along fine with the 22 year olds that aren't upset by the lack of a bar scene at W&M.  And if not, well, there is room for them at the bottom of the curve, right?  :D

To assume that GW students are looking for bars and free beer is absurd.  I assure you, the select few students looking to party at GW will be at W & M.  Its not like GW students are all going out and getting drunk.  Knowing people at the law school, thirsty thursdays is more of a "lets have one beer and relax between study hours" type of thing.  I hardly drink, and I doubt many serious law students do either.
Title: Re: For the older students...
Post by: Highway on April 07, 2006, 05:44:43 AM
To assume that GW students are looking for bars and free beer is absurd.  I assure you, the select few students looking to party at GW will be at W & M.  Its not like GW students are all going out and getting drunk.  Knowing people at the law school, thirsty thursdays is more of a "lets have one beer and relax between study hours" type of thing.  I hardly drink, and I doubt many serious law students do either.

Ok...now please remove the stick from your ass and give it back to HippieLawChick.  ;D
Title: Re: For the older students...
Post by: HippieLawChick on April 07, 2006, 05:54:04 AM
:)

Title: Re: For the older students...
Post by: aerynn on April 07, 2006, 06:04:56 AM
For me, this is a big plus with W&M.  The crowd looking for bars and free beer Thursdays are going to GW.  (They do have "thirsty thursday" there, as well as Bar Review -- where they get together to go out to get drunk).  I wasn't into that stuff as a 22 year old and I am pretty sure I will get along fine with the 22 year olds that aren't upset by the lack of a bar scene at W&M.  And if not, well, there is room for them at the bottom of the curve, right?  :D

To assume that GW students are looking for bars and free beer is absurd.  I assure you, the select few students looking to party at GW will be at W & M.  Its not like GW students are all going out and getting drunk.  Knowing people at the law school, thirsty thursdays is more of a "lets have one beer and relax between study hours" type of thing.  I hardly drink, and I doubt many serious law students do either.

Allow me to clarify: Not all GW students are looking to get drunk.  But I think those kids posting threads like "what is the bar scene at X school?" or "How many hotties at Y school" are more likely to go to GW than W&M, of the 3 schools I am looking at. 

I just find it a bit disappointing when a great school like GW or UVA buy kegs for their law school on Thursday because there are few students with class on Friday.  In a profession with a huge alcoholism problem it is just . . .disappointing.  And the GW kid I spoke to said that the keg was a pre-drinking opportunity before going out to the "Bar Review" on Thursdays, which suggests a pattern heavy drinking, if not excessive drinking.

Ooof, where the heck did this stick come from?   :P
Title: Re: For the older students...
Post by: Law-Man on April 07, 2006, 06:30:31 AM
There seems to be more than one stick, and that means to many people are taking things to seriously.
All schools have some people who study, and some who drink (I like to drink while studying which probably explains my GPA) but I think everyone should just do whatever makes them comfortable and not worry about what everyone else is doing. Everyone has their own way of working and relaxing.
Title: Re: For the older students...
Post by: jacy85 on April 07, 2006, 12:02:00 PM

I just find it a bit disappointing when a great school like GW or UVA buy kegs for their law school on Thursday because there are few students with class on Friday.  In a profession with a huge alcoholism problem it is just . . .disappointing.  And the GW kid I spoke to said that the keg was a pre-drinking opportunity before going out to the "Bar Review" on Thursdays, which suggests a pattern heavy drinking, if not excessive drinking.


You're going to be pretty disappointed wherever you go...it seems like kegs and Bar Reviews are standard at most every law school.  Just because a school has them doesn't mean its full of raging alcoholics.  At Emory, the kegs on the plaza are more social opportunities after class then anything else, and I know a HUGE number of people that have never been to a Bar Review outside the first couple weeks of school.

And what do you care if everyone's out getting sloshed all weekend long?  It makes it easier to for the nondrinkers to get ahead, with the drunkies rounding out the bottom of the curve!  :D
Title: Re: For the older students...
Post by: ouchitburns on April 07, 2006, 12:29:07 PM
This is a social profession. Contacts, just as in the real world, are important. Alcohol breaks down social barriers and enables you to connect, albeit superficially, with your peers. Real connections can be built from the superficial ones. Ultimately, it is beneficial for the school if the entire class knows (and hopefully likes) one another. Alumni support, not only financially, but in a nepotistic-esque way is very important to a school's relative worth.

As is contantly stated, it is possible to get bogged down in reading and studying. Some non-trads are concerned about not seeing families. How does one expect to make friends outside of a, likely limited, study group if there does not exist this social activity?

I am perfectly willing to accept that booze is not the "best" way to encourage social behavior, but unless we are willing to revamp our insular society it is all we have. And don't start on me about alternative activities. Opera, lectures, sports etc. All useless.

In conclusion, I like drinking and I want to convince everyone else to like it as well. Don't play sports. You will only meet jocks. And all people that enjoy opera are completely insufferable. And if you could meet people in lectures we wouldn't have this problem.
Title: Re: For the older students...
Post by: Law-Man on April 07, 2006, 12:34:21 PM
I have a friend that picked up smoking before law school so he could meet and be friends with all the people who stood outside and smoked.

A little crazy, YES!, but it is what he felt he had to do to make sure he was networking with everyone. I would never suggest it or for that matter picking up drinking either, but some people feel it is an absolute neccesity.
Title: Re: For the older students...
Post by: LitDoc on April 07, 2006, 12:49:03 PM
This is a social profession. Contacts, just as in the real world, are important. Alcohol breaks down social barriers and enables you to connect, albeit superficially, with your peers. Real connections can be built from the superficial ones. Ultimately, it is beneficial for the school if the entire class knows (and hopefully likes) one another. Alumni support, not only financially, but in a nepotistic-esque way is very important to a school's relative worth.

As is contantly stated, it is possible to get bogged down in reading and studying. Some non-trads are concerned about not seeing families. How does one expect to make friends outside of a, likely limited, study group if there does not exist this social activity?

I am perfectly willing to accept that booze is not the "best" way to encourage social behavior, but unless we are willing to revamp our insular society it is all we have. And don't start on me about alternative activities. Opera, lectures, sports etc. All useless.

In conclusion, I like drinking and I want to convince everyone else to like it as well. Don't play sports. You will only meet jocks. And all people that enjoy opera are completely insufferable. And if you could meet people in lectures we wouldn't have this problem.

The business and law schools in Utah seem to manage networking activities just fine, sans alcohol. The schools throw BBQs, luncheons, and other meet-and-greet social events. Lots of networking. No drinking.

It's pretty silly to rely on alcohol as a crutch for meeting people; and I agree that it's borderline irresponsible for schools to facilitate drinking in a profession (and an American culture in general) that struggles with abusing this sort of thing.
Title: Re: For the older students...
Post by: queencruella on April 07, 2006, 12:59:35 PM
LitDoc- in regards to your comments, Americans generally drink a lot less than many other cultures. I think it is much easier to get ahead here without drinking alcohol than it is in some other cultures in which promotion almost entirely depends on your ability to drink with the best of them.
Title: Re: For the older students...
Post by: LitDoc on April 07, 2006, 01:08:57 PM
LitDoc- in regards to your comments, Americans generally drink a lot less than many other cultures. I think it is much easier to get ahead here without drinking alcohol than it is in some other cultures in which promotion almost entirely depends on your ability to drink with the best of them.

Whether or not other cultures drink more than Americans is not relevant to whether or not Americans struggle with alcoholism, or whether or not alcohol is necessary to networking.
Title: Re: For the older students...
Post by: queencruella on April 07, 2006, 01:21:10 PM
I don't really think Americans struggle with it that much, but we just have a different attitude about alcohol so it seems like a bigger problem than it is. I'm saying this a a non-drinker, so it's not like I am trying to hide any drinking problem.
Title: Re: For the older students...
Post by: LitDoc on April 07, 2006, 01:30:12 PM
I don't really think Americans struggle with it that much, but we just have a different attitude about alcohol so it seems like a bigger problem than it is. I'm saying this a a non-drinker, so it's not like I am trying to hide any drinking problem.

How much Americans struggle with it is relative (in comparison to ____). Whether or not Americans struggle with alcohol and/or alcoholism is a yes/no question. Look at the number of drunk-driving deaths & injuries per year, the number of alcohol-related diseases/health problems, the number of alcohol-related arrests made (for domestic violence & other crimes), the number of unwanted pregnancies & STDs resulting from alcohol use, etc., etc., etc. -- and I think it's hard to say that alcohol isn't a problem, or that Americans don't "struggle" with it.

Again, you can argue that we don't struggle "as much" as others -- but frankly I don't see the relevance. If I have a problem, my problem isn't alleviated or lessened in any way by the fact that somebody else has a bigger problem. My attitude toward my own problem might be changed -- my sympathy/empathy for the other person's problem might increase -- but I still have my own problem.
Title: Re: For the older students...
Post by: likewise on April 07, 2006, 01:32:30 PM
This is a social profession. Contacts, just as in the real world, are important. Alcohol breaks down social barriers and enables you to connect, albeit superficially, with your peers. Real connections can be built from the superficial ones. Ultimately, it is beneficial for the school if the entire class knows (and hopefully likes) one another. Alumni support, not only financially, but in a nepotistic-esque way is very important to a school's relative worth.

As is contantly stated, it is possible to get bogged down in reading and studying. Some non-trads are concerned about not seeing families. How does one expect to make friends outside of a, likely limited, study group if there does not exist this social activity?

I am perfectly willing to accept that booze is not the "best" way to encourage social behavior, but unless we are willing to revamp our insular society it is all we have. And don't start on me about alternative activities. Opera, lectures, sports etc. All useless.

In conclusion, I like drinking and I want to convince everyone else to like it as well. Don't play sports. You will only meet jocks. And all people that enjoy opera are completely insufferable. And if you could meet people in lectures we wouldn't have this problem.

I don't drink.  How do you suggest I network?
Title: Re: For the older students...
Post by: LitDoc on April 07, 2006, 01:43:14 PM
Talk to people. Be friendly. Look for opportunities to be around people you don't know.

Honestly, I struggle with this a bit -- I'm very talkative (too much so, sometimes) with people I know, but not so great at introducing myself and striking up conversations with people I don't know. I understand fully the appeal of alcohol, for loosening up the conversation valves. But I think it's better to just push yourself and develop the skill, rather than rely on alcohol as a crutch.

If you don't actually develop the social skill without alcohol, then you always need alcohol. That can't be good, can it?
Title: Re: For the older students...
Post by: ouchitburns on April 07, 2006, 01:54:08 PM
it shouldn't be you that needs the alcohol. It is the other people. They are the ones who cannot make relationships without it. Since drinking is social, you have to do it to convince others to.

Of course there are other ways (sports, opera, interesting lectures, etc.) but you should probably learn how to fake drink. 





Title: Re: For the older students...
Post by: plaintext on April 07, 2006, 02:06:36 PM

i don't think they're advocating taking along a beer funnel and chugging before the new person they're about to meet, but the thought is entertaining ;D
Title: Re: For the older students...
Post by: likewise on April 07, 2006, 02:12:12 PM
it shouldn't be you that needs the alcohol. It is the other people. They are the ones who cannot make relationships without it. Since drinking is social, you have to do it to convince others to.

Of course there are other ways (sports, opera, interesting lectures, etc.) but you should probably learn how to fake drink. 







Yeah,  I'm a Friend of Bill's.  I don't need to learn how fake drink.  Think I'll stick to iced tea or coffee.
Title: Re: For the older students...
Post by: jacy85 on April 07, 2006, 02:26:38 PM
First, just because there is alcohol at an event doesn't need you have to drink it.

And second, I belive Americans have more "problems" with alcohol because people are so uptight about it.  Yes, we have more drunk driving deaths than countries that drink more alcohol.  But because other countries drink more alcohol, they don't feel this stupid need to binge.

When you grow up having wine or beer with dinner, and are around alcohol as a cultural/social facet your entire life, there's no need to rush out and get sh*t-faced when you turn 18/19/21 (depending on what country you're in).  Americans are so damn uptight about it, so issues are blown out of proportion (or at least are made to be bigger than they have to be).

Seriously, you don't NEED alcohol to network.  YOu don't NEED alcohol to make friends in law school.  Yes, there are people who do feel they need it; that's a whole other problem, likely resulting from self-esteem issues. But if I want to have a glass of wine at a firm function, or have a beer after a long day of class on Thursdays, that in no way means I'm dependent on alcohol.

Seriously, I'm thinking some people have some really HUGE sticks shoved somewhere...

Title: Re: For the older students...
Post by: likewise on April 07, 2006, 02:29:39 PM
First, just because there is alcohol at an event doesn't need you have to drink it.

And second, I belive Americans have more "problems" with alcohol because people are so uptight about it.  Yes, we have more drunk driving deaths than countries that drink more alcohol.  But because other countries drink more alcohol, they don't feel this stupid need to binge.

When you grow up having wine or beer with dinner, and are around alcohol as a cultural/social facet your entire life, there's no need to rush out and get sh*t-faced when you turn 18/19/21 (depending on what country you're in).  Americans are so damn uptight about it, so issues are blown out of proportion (or at least are made to be bigger than they have to be).

Seriously, you don't NEED alcohol to network.  YOu don't NEED alcohol to make friends in law school.  Yes, there are people who do feel they need it; that's a whole other problem, likely resulting from self-esteem issues. But if I want to have a glass of wine at a firm function, or have a beer after a long day of class on Thursdays, that in no way means I'm dependent on alcohol.

Seriously, I'm thinking some people have some really HUGE sticks shoved somewhere...



TITCR.  Thank you.  My head was 'bout ready to pop.
Title: Re: For the older students...
Post by: queencruella on April 07, 2006, 03:00:20 PM
First, just because there is alcohol at an event doesn't need you have to drink it.

And second, I belive Americans have more "problems" with alcohol because people are so uptight about it.  Yes, we have more drunk driving deaths than countries that drink more alcohol.  But because other countries drink more alcohol, they don't feel this stupid need to binge.

When you grow up having wine or beer with dinner, and are around alcohol as a cultural/social facet your entire life, there's no need to rush out and get sh*t-faced when you turn 18/19/21 (depending on what country you're in).  Americans are so damn uptight about it, so issues are blown out of proportion (or at least are made to be bigger than they have to be).

Seriously, you don't NEED alcohol to network.  YOu don't NEED alcohol to make friends in law school.  Yes, there are people who do feel they need it; that's a whole other problem, likely resulting from self-esteem issues. But if I want to have a glass of wine at a firm function, or have a beer after a long day of class on Thursdays, that in no way means I'm dependent on alcohol.

Seriously, I'm thinking some people have some really HUGE sticks shoved somewhere...


In some ways I agree, but from my personal experience, binge drinking is not limited to Americans. It happens everywhere, but people just aren't as uptight about it in other countries. People aren't going to be labeled alcoholics just because they go to a pub every night after finishing work, while that tends to be the norm here. 
Title: Re: For the older students...
Post by: ouchitburns on April 07, 2006, 03:13:23 PM

i don't think they're advocating taking along a beer funnel and chugging before the new person they're about to meet, but the thought is entertaining ;D

I would hire that person if I had the chance.

it shouldn't be you that needs the alcohol. It is the other people. They are the ones who cannot make relationships without it. Since drinking is social, you have to do it to convince others to.

Of course there are other ways (sports, opera, interesting lectures, etc.) but you should probably learn how to fake drink. 


Yeah,  I'm a Friend of Bill's.  I don't need to learn how fake drink.  Think I'll stick to iced tea or coffee.

 okay, I should have known better than to have advocated a position on which someone could have taken offence. Obviously nobody needs to drink and nobody should be required to drink but this threads was taking on a distinct "drinking is bad" attitude and I hate that.

Nobody is being irresponsible by proffering alcohol to adults.

Now, an interesting question is why alcohol is so prevalent in the business world. Besides quickly enabling social interaction (if you are meeting an associate for the first time you may not have time to spend going to the opera) I wonder if there is a bit of a game going on.

I remember reading, in a international business magazine, that one should organise a dinner, arrive early, order a watered down drink and then, as the dinner progresses, order drinks by asking for the "same again." That way, the people around you get plastered and you stay sober. brilliant for getting your way in the meeting.

Maybe there is something to that.




Title: Re: For the older students...
Post by: aerynn on April 07, 2006, 06:19:45 PM
Actually, I was thinking of Emory as a great example of a school that fosters social interaction and networking without pushing the alcohol so much.  They do food club there where everyone goes out to restaurants together.  Yes, those places server alcohol and people probably choose to drink.  I think combining it with food, instead of just a keg out of a restaurant context, not only facilitates more real interaction and relationship building, but also seems to encourage a drink or two with dinner, more than binge drinking.

Beyond the larger problem of alcohol in American society, lawyers as a profession have a real problem with alcohol abuse because it is an attempt to self-medicate for depression and stress relief.  If schools and peers advocate getting drunk to relax after a tough week, as a reward for another week "survived," or a way to get over the depressing events of the week, I think the school is missing an opportunity to teach more than just the law, but how to truly be a lawyer and deal with all the stress and depression that the profession in heir to.

Emory's food club actually is a great example of a way to foster going out, having fun, blowing off steam, networking with other students, profs, and students in other grad schools, and allowing drinking in an adult context, not just putting a keg in the quad.
Title: Re: For the older students...
Post by: laurrk on April 07, 2006, 06:33:53 PM
My ex-BF is a 3L now, and some of his friends are hard-core drinkers. They all celebrate not having class on Fridays by getting plastered on Thursday night. What bothers me more than the getting wasted itself is the drinking and driving that I know must also occur. If you're going to drink, drink responsibly.
Title: Re: For the older students...
Post by: laurrk on April 07, 2006, 06:46:47 PM
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Thanks for the PSA!

the what?
Title: Re: For the older students...
Post by: Esq Now on April 07, 2006, 06:49:10 PM
I wish this board had existed when I was getting ready to go to LS!  I was in my early 30s when I started (class of 1998), and I remember calling all around to locate people who had gone to LS when they were older.  Fortunately, I found one who was very helpful, but it would have been great to have a place like this where I could have asked all the questions that nagged me.

Anyway, what I found was that there were many young students who were very mature and gracious, and a lesser number who were wrapped up in their cliques and didn't know how to relate to anyone over the age of 24.  Most of the time, the kids didn't make an issue out of age if I didn't.

Generally, I would recommend trying to be welcoming and nice as much as possible, because you never know when you may need to ask one of your former classmates for a favor.  Life and law have a way of bringing you back into contact with that kid two rows over who always wore a baseball cap backwards in class and never said hello when he passed you in town.

One other piece of advice would be to join your school's older law students club.  (Most schools seem to have one.)  Some of my best friends in LS I met through that club.  And seek out the mature students, regardless of age. 
Title: Re: For the older students...
Post by: laurrk on April 07, 2006, 06:54:44 PM
Oh, duh.

I didn't mean to be preachy. When I was in high school there was a horrible fatal accident that killed a graduating senior and left another with a traumatic brain injury. One of the girls was literally burned to death, trapped under a Jeep. And guess what?  The driver (who escaped injury) was drunk. So drinking and driving is a pet peeve of mine. And I can see immature high schoolers driving drunk, but I figure that once you're in law school you're old enough to know better. Take turns, it's not that hard.

OK, rant over.

Title: Re: For the older students...
Post by: curry2lt99 on April 07, 2006, 07:11:02 PM
all,
I just got out of the Air Force after 6 years. In ROTC, all the old guys tell ya how you've GOT to join the Officer's Club and go drinking on Fridays, and you've GOT to have a beer when the Beer Light comes on Friday's in the fighter squadron.  None of this was true though. I have never drank alcohol in my life and I didn't want to start in the AF.  What I found was that most people were cool and respectful about my beliefs as long as I respected them. Even F-16 pilots, the most notorious of the bunch. So, I don't expect to have to worry too much about it in law school either. Give people a chance - they'll surprise you. Just my 2 cents.
Title: Re: For the older students...
Post by: HippieLawChick on April 08, 2006, 06:52:25 AM
"Emory's food club actually is a great example of a way to foster going out, having fun, blowing off steam, networking with other students, profs, and students in other grad schools, and allowing drinking in an adult context, not just putting a keg in the quad."

For some people, being invited out to eat fat laden food is more dangerous than going to cocktail hour.  So you see, you can argue against anything.

I don't think that having cocktails is bad, or that this means someone is encouraging drinking.  Soft drinks are available everywhere.  Adults drink, and most of them do it responsibly. 
Title: Re: For the older students...
Post by: laurrk on April 08, 2006, 07:01:54 AM
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Beyond the larger problem of alcohol in American society, lawyers as a profession have a real problem with alcohol abuse because it is an attempt to self-medicate for depression and stress relief.

Maybe if there weren't questions about mental health on the bar exam (at least in certain states), people would be more likely to seek therapy as opposed to self-medicating. Lawyers and law students have very high rates of depression, but who wants to see a therapist just to have someone pry into your personal life when it comes time to apply for the bar?
Title: Re: For the older students...
Post by: HippieLawChick on April 09, 2006, 05:44:15 PM
I thought they only ask if you have been committed to an institution, not if you sought help or counseling. 

I am going to look into this.  Any idea of which states ask, and whether they can refuse bar admission for it?  I have a close friend who sought help for depression in college.  If she couldn't get admitted over that, I would sue the *&^% out of the bar for discrimination.  They don't ban you for having a heart condition, and shouldn't over you getting treatment for this medical condition. 
Title: Re: For the older students...
Post by: laurrk on April 09, 2006, 06:33:06 PM
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I thought they only ask if you have been committed to an institution, not if you sought help or counseling.

I am going to look into this.  Any idea of which states ask, and whether they can refuse bar admission for it?  I have a close friend who sought help for depression in college.  If she couldn't get admitted over that, I would sue the sh*t out of the bar for discrimination.  They don't ban you for having a heart condition, and shouldn't over you getting treatment for this medical condition.

Hippie, you should check out this link:
http://www.abanet.org/irr/hr/winter97/welobob.html

The article is from 1997, so I'm not sure exactly how current it is, but it certainly scares me. Like your friend, I also have been treated for depression (that would be the reason for my messed up undergrad career, which involved me transferring three times before finally graduating). It really pisses me off that I might be penalized for seeking treatment for an illness that runs in my family, just like diabetes or heart disease runs in families. And certainly I will be a much better law student, and then a much better lawyer, if I continue to seek the treatment that I need to stay depression-free.
Title: Re: For the older students...
Post by: laurrk on April 09, 2006, 07:06:55 PM
These are questions from New Jersey's bar application.
www.njbarexams.org/app/application.pdf

Have you, within the past twelve months, been admitted to a hospital or other facility for the treatment of bipolar disorder, schizophrenia, paranoia, or and other psychotic disease?

Are you currently suffering from an emotional, mental, or nervous disorder that impairs your judgment or what would otherwise adversely affect your ability to practice law in compliance with the Rules of Professional Conduct, the Rules of Court, and applicable case law?

If your answer to either of the foregoing questions is yes, provide the details on a separate attachment, including the names of treating physicians, and dates and places of inpatient treatment.

I guess if you haven't been treated as an inpatient then you're okay on the first one. But I worry that if you fail to disclose something seemingly minor, they could hold it against you for the second question. Or maybe I'm just afraid that I'll spend three years of my time in law school, after working hard to be admitted in the first place, and then have a difficult time gaining admission to the bar. I haven't looked at the applications for many other states, so I don't know what the other states ask.

I also checked out Maine. They have mental health questions on pages 21 & 22.
www.mainebarexaminers.org/PDF%20Files/MBBE-NA%2010.05.pdf
Title: Re: For the older students...
Post by: aerynn on April 09, 2006, 07:21:03 PM
I would think depression wouldn't fall under the list of mental disorders that would prevent you from practicing law successfully, but that schizophrenia and uncontrolled bipolar disorder would.

Check under HIPAA rules what is allowed.  The law changed regarding medical disclosures fairly recently. 

Also, just because they ask about something, doesn't make it an auto-ding that they will not let you through.  If you can make it through the stressful, competitive atmosphere of law school intact then I think that makes a strong case that you will also be able to deal with the stress of being a lawyer.  If you can't, well, I think that may be a sign to you to choose something you love and enjoy rather than something that will cause a breakdown.  This is good advice for anyone considering any profesion, really.

And to bring it back to the debate, I would much rather disclose treatment for depression than treatment for a drinking problem.
Title: Re: For the older students...
Post by: laurrk on April 09, 2006, 07:25:34 PM
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And to bring it back to the debate, I would much rather disclose treatment for depression than treatment for a drinking problem.

me too
Title: Re: For the older students...
Post by: cyberrev on April 09, 2006, 07:33:03 PM
i get to disclose treatment for perscription drug addiction
Title: Re: For the older students...
Post by: likewise on April 10, 2006, 06:27:18 AM
i get to disclose treatment for perscription drug addiction

And me for the "dirtier" stuff.  I've been in contact with the PA bar and should have no problem getting barred.
Title: Re: For the older students...
Post by: cyberrev on April 10, 2006, 06:30:43 AM
i get to disclose treatment for perscription drug addiction

And me for the "dirtier" stuff.  I've been in contact with the PA bar and should have no problem getting barred.


i looked at the arkansas aba requirements last night, they have two questions, one of which was 'have you ever' and the other is 'are you currently' so i think i'll do okay, especially since i've been through rehab and will have 4 years clean time by then.
Title: Re: For the older students...
Post by: Esq Now on April 10, 2006, 04:06:13 PM
Re disclosing psych treatment -- The only state I know about is DE, and the application there specifically says you don't have to disclose "situational" counseling.  That gives you some wiggle room.  In any event, I wouldn't stress about it.  Of all the things on the bar exam, I think that this one is the least likely to be investigated by examiners.
Title: Re: For the older students...
Post by: likewise on April 11, 2006, 05:46:27 AM
i get to disclose treatment for perscription drug addiction

And me for the "dirtier" stuff.  I've been in contact with the PA bar and should have no problem getting barred.


i looked at the arkansas aba requirements last night, they have two questions, one of which was 'have you ever' and the other is 'are you currently' so i think i'll do okay, especially since i've been through rehab and will have 4 years clean time by then.

Same boat.  Nearly seven yrs clean by then.  My C&F review should be tons o' fun!
Title: Re: For the older students...
Post by: cyberrev on April 11, 2006, 06:12:26 AM
i get to disclose treatment for perscription drug addiction

And me for the "dirtier" stuff.  I've been in contact with the PA bar and should have no problem getting barred.


i looked at the arkansas aba requirements last night, they have two questions, one of which was 'have you ever' and the other is 'are you currently' so i think i'll do okay, especially since i've been through rehab and will have 4 years clean time by then.

Same boat.  Nearly seven yrs clean by then.  My C&F review should be tons o' fun!


well, they should at least be frightened of the potential of our getting a flashback and killing them
Title: Re: For the older students...
Post by: likewise on April 11, 2006, 07:30:25 AM

well, they should at least be frightened of the potential of our getting a flashback and killing them

Thank Christ law schools don't require a spinal tap.   ;) :o ;)
Title: Re: For the older students...
Post by: HippieLawChick on April 11, 2006, 10:33:21 AM
no comment.
Title: Re: For the older students...
Post by: cyberrev on April 11, 2006, 08:38:44 PM

well, they should at least be frightened of the potential of our getting a flashback and killing them

Thank Christ law schools don't require a spinal tap.   ;) :o ;)


i used to play guitar for spinal tap  :D
Title: Re: For the older students...
Post by: HippieLawChick on April 12, 2006, 10:28:37 AM
nice! 

Title: Re: For the older students...
Post by: phooey on April 12, 2006, 10:35:55 AM
The bigger the cushion, the better the pushin'!..(or so they say).
Title: Re: For the older students...
Post by: phooey on April 12, 2006, 10:45:19 AM
We need a Spinal Tap thread.
Title: Re: For the older students...
Post by: cyberrev on April 12, 2006, 03:11:51 PM
i used to play guitar for spinal tap  :D

Rev, I bet you turned it up to eleven.


unless you see a kids ears bleed, its not loud enough <lol>
Title: Re: For the older students...
Post by: aerynn on April 12, 2006, 03:21:01 PM
I don't know anything about you, but I would think a long time before I left a job paying $70K to go to GA State.  UGA, yes.  GA State . . . not as sure.  Why do you want to go to law school?  Answer that question as honestly as you can. Why is it better than what you are doing now?
Title: Re: For the older students...
Post by: aerynn on April 12, 2006, 04:27:25 PM
Aerynn - I see on your LSN that you are from Atlanta.  Do you make that comment on GA State because you are from the area and you arnt impressed w/the reputation/career prospects, etc.  or do you just say that because of its ranking?

Both are good reasons for the opinion...just curious to your thoughts.
The former.  It may be a fine school, but 'round these parts Emory and UGA are pretty big fish.  Even Mercer has a strong alumni group.  Maybe GA State is just newer and has fewer alums championing their cause?

Money doesn't buy happiness, so if you have strong reasons for wanting to be a lawyer and the kind of law you want is accessable from GA State, go for it.  But if you are a bit fuzzy on why you want law or it just looks a bit greener from your side of the fence, I would put the money away, study like crazy for the LSAT and try to get into a school that will give me a lot of flexibility coming back out.

Debt load would be a big factor in my thinking, if I were you.  What are your scholarship offers?  What is the tuition/living expenses for the various schools?  If GA State is a free ride and you already have a home here in ATL, then I would go for it.  If you have to sell your house and get a pricey apartment in the city to go and they aren't offering you a scholarship, I would wait. 

In short, there are factors that I think would make GA state a good choice, but you didn't mention them yet. :)
Title: Re: For the older students...
Post by: Esq Now on April 13, 2006, 05:59:28 AM
cesco -- I pretty much agree with the responses you've already received.  You're right to be cautious.  Based on the schools you've mentioned, you can't really count on making more as a lawyer than what you're making now (unless the possible job you've mentioned at your current employer would involve more money and is a sure thing).

Some considerations:

- Do you think you have a realistic chance of doing significantly better on the LSAT next time around? 
- What are your grades like -- will a higher LSAT make that much of a difference? 
- Are you a hard worker and a good book-learner, such that you'd stand a good chance of doing well enough as a 1L that you could transfer to a much higher ranked school?
- Are you confident that you understand what lawyering is like as a job and that you will enjoy it so much that it's worth the debt & opportunity cost?

Good luck with your decision.
Title: Re: For the older students...
Post by: Law-Man on April 17, 2006, 09:01:02 AM
I also agree with whats been said so far, but really think about the reasons that are complelling you (not your father or anyone else) to go to law school.

I am also in a similar situation, I have not gotten into my first choice schools either, and I have a good thing going right now where I work but I don't love it. I am choosing to go to law school no matter where I get in, because it has always been my dream and I don't want to push it off any longer.

Yes, your chances could get better with a higher LSAT score and myabe next year there will be a less competative applicant pool, but maybe not, and why wait. That's just my opinion.
Title: Re: For the older students...
Post by: ->Soon on October 12, 2006, 08:26:59 AM
heres a bump worthy thread.
Title: Re: For the older students...
Post by: ->Soon on October 26, 2007, 10:19:50 AM
im thinking of avoiding the schools in college towns.

i just dont want to deal with alot of 22-23 yr olds...