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Post by: Susan B. Anthony on December 06, 2005, 02:52:05 AM
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Title: Re: The Honorable Donald Rumsfeld Requests that Ms. Julie Fern Ceases and Desists
Post by: Julie Fern on December 06, 2005, 04:54:56 AM
rummie has every right to be misguided, right which he has exercised on many occasions.  note that article show how he lied when denying whether he'd ever said that post-saddam period would be easy.  he do this all time, because he liar.  big, fat, stinking liar.

for long time, news media printed his lies and those of others in administration about war without much actual reporting.  only lately have media started to do job better, and he not like it--because liars rarely like to get exposed for their lies.

julie watched long fox news "documentary" this weekend about what progress supposedly being made in iraq.  incredibly unimpressive!  julie never doubted that sewer being built here and school there, but how this supposedly win war?  idea seem to be that u.s. "good works" will win over population, which will lead to people tattling on insurgents.

if rebuilding iraqi infrastructure key, then u.s. losing certainly losing war because we blowing things up lot faster than rebuilding them.  soldiers handing candy out to kids just not going to cut it.

even if you assume he somehow right about media, what problem?  bush 0 has more than three years left in office, so should be no problem whatsoever mopping up insurgency that, after all, in "last throes."  it not like american reporters shooting at our soldiers, is it?
Title: Re: The Honorable Donald Rumsfeld Requests that Ms. Julie Fern Ceases and Desists
Post by: Freak on December 07, 2005, 06:46:53 PM
Poster child for planned parenthood? How did you get out of the womb?
Title: Re: The Honorable Donald Rumsfeld Requests that Ms. Julie Fern Ceases and Desists
Post by: ImVinny! on December 07, 2005, 09:22:06 PM
Rumsfeld is right that the media is only focusing on the negatives and no positives. The soldiers are writing all their families and friends and telling them of all the great things that we are doing over there and the media only wants to talk about who got killed where and how today. It is sick and disgusting really. There is a lot of progress in Iraq and people need to wake up and recognize what a great leader Pres Bush is.
Title: Re: The Honorable Donald Rumsfeld Requests that Ms. Julie Fern Ceases and Desists
Post by: ImVinny! on December 07, 2005, 11:00:55 PM
"SIGNS OF FREEDOM AND PROGRESS

       Approximately 80,000 Iraqi children are attending better schools in Iraq’s nine southern provinces because of Coalition reconstruction efforts.

       Internet subscribers have risen from 5,000 before the war to 196,000 in September.

       There were no commercial TV stations in Iraq before the war. Today there are 44.

       There were no independent newspapers or magazines in Iraq before the war.  Today there are more than 100.

       There were no commercial radio stations in Iraq before the war. Today there are 72.

       Iraqi judges have conducted 544 trials since October 2003.

       In Ramadi, fliers have appeared that threaten and denounce the tactics of Islamic extremists.  Some threaten to inform police of extremists’ identity and whereabouts.

       More than 20 Operating Bases have been returned to the Iraqi Government.

       Iraqis are expressing their freedom by providing information on terrorists.  The number of tips has risen from 442 in February to 3,341 in August.

       Driven by the purchase of TVs, appliances, fans, and air conditioners, electricity demand has risen as much as 60% since the war.

 

INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENTS UP TO SEPTEMBER 2005:

       3,404 Public Schools

       304 Water and Sewage Projects

       257 Fire and Police Stations

       149 Health Facilities

       Total of 4,114 reconstruction projects completed with 921 ongoing

 

SECURITY

       27 of 109 Forward Operating Bases (FOB) in Iraq have been turned over to the Iraqi Army or closed.

       FOB Danger, near Tikrit, is scheduled to be turned over soon.

       Iraqi units are being fully integrated into all major Coalition operations.

       210,000 ISF are trained and equipped, 18,000 more than in September.

       As of September, 120 Iraqi Police and Army battalions are in the fight.  In addition to a fully independent battalion:

       80 battalions are able to fight alongside Coalition troops.

       36 battalions generally able to conduct independent operations. 

       SNAPSHOT: Two brigades of the Iraqi 6th Division have their own battle space in Baghdad, including Haifa Street, once a haven for insurgents.

       As of September, one division, 5 brigades, and 36 battalions currently have the lead in their areas in Iraq.  This summer, only one division and 11 battalions had the lead.

 

IRAQI ARMY UNITS IN COMBAT

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

*includes combat support/ service units

DEMOCRACY

 

       October 15th was a historic day for democracy in Iraq and a bad day for terrorists.

       Millions of Iraqis turned out to vote, embracing the democratic process.  Iraq now has a constitution.

       On the day of the referendum, there were no suicide bombings, and attacks on polling stations were down from 108 in January to 19 in October.

       60% of registered voters took part in the referendum.

       Significantly higher turnout in Sunni areas is a further indication that Sunnis are joining the political process.

 

IRAQIS TAKING ACTION

 



A significant factor enabling progress against the insurgency is the dramatic increase in intelligence tips received from the population in the past several months, indicative of increasing popular rejection of the insurgents.

              - October, 2005 Report to Congress

 

SINCE JULY….

SINCE JULY’S IRAQ METRICS REPORT TO CONGRESS….

       More than 22 additional battalions have been added to the Iraqi Security Forces.

       More than 5,500 Iraq Police Service personnel have been trained and equipped.

       More than 2,000 Special Police Commanders have been trained and equipped, placing the program well ahead of projections.

       The Mechanized Police reached its target force level of 1,200.

       1,200 additional Public Order Police have been trained and equipped.

       The Emergency Response Unit has conducted nightly operations in Mosul and Baghdad.  Its forces have increased by 50%.

       The Ministry of Defense forces have received approximately 10,000 automatic rifles, 1,800 pistols, 2,700 machine guns, and 750 vehicles from the Coalition.

       The Ministry of Interior forces have received approximately 21,000 AK-47s, 15,000 pistols, 1,700 machine guns, and 1,900 vehicles from the Coalition.

 

OPERATION STEEL CURTAIN

       Operation Steel Curtain is a joint Coalition / Iraqi operation to restore Iraqi control of the Iraq-Syria border. 

       To date, the operation has resulted in:

       100 weapons caches being found and cleared.

       1,000 men suspected of insurgent activities have been detained.

       2,500 Coalition Forces and 1,000 Iraqi forces are acting to secure the cities of Husaybah and Karabilah as part of Steel Curtain.

       Since the operation began, 79 mines and IEDs have been discovered.

       33 weapons caches have been found and destroyed in Husaybah and Karbilah.

"
Title: Re: The Honorable Donald Rumsfeld Requests that Ms. Julie Fern Ceases and Desists
Post by: ImVinny! on December 07, 2005, 11:20:06 PM
I can;t say exactly what the troops are individually writing, but as a group they are sending stories about the things they are actually doing, building schools, stuff like that, especially in emails, they are sending pictures in those emails to their families and friends to show them that there is progress. I knwo the troops are saddened when they watch the news from here only showing negative things and not the progress, which is hwy they are emailing their families the pics of them building schools, buildings, helping children and such.
Our news is hurting their moral because they think that we don't care about them.
Title: Re: The Honorable Donald Rumsfeld Requests that Ms. Julie Fern Ceases and Desists
Post by: ImVinny! on December 07, 2005, 11:27:46 PM
Oh no, I def believe that they are making sure that their families don't think that they are in any immeminet danger, but still, they are taking pictures of their progress, so that means IT is happening.
Title: Re: The Honorable Donald Rumsfeld Requests that Ms. Julie Fern Ceases and Desists
Post by: ImVinny! on December 07, 2005, 11:33:22 PM
Well, from what I gather it seems that the Iraqis were very happy with us helping them get rid of Saddam. They are glad that we are there, but of course there are those that hated America before we even got there. Those are, of course, the only ones we hear about onthe news. The other ones people here could care less about.
The good thing is that they recognize the good being done in their country, even if it may be awhile before they get out of their eceryday patterns of fear and everything.
Title: Re: The Honorable Donald Rumsfeld Requests that Ms. Julie Fern Ceases and Desists
Post by: Julie Fern on December 08, 2005, 04:38:21 AM
Poster child for planned parenthood? How did you get out of the womb?

head first.  saw immediately that there no democrats in room, so felt secure.
Title: Re: The Honorable Donald Rumsfeld Requests that Ms. Julie Fern Ceases and Desists
Post by: Julie Fern on December 08, 2005, 04:47:29 AM
Rumsfeld is right that the media is only focusing on the negatives and no positives. The soldiers are writing all their families and friends and telling them of all the great things that we are doing over there and the media only wants to talk about who got killed where and how today. It is sick and disgusting really. There is a lot of progress in Iraq and people need to wake up and recognize what a great leader Pres Bush is.

hey im, what progress we making on american soldiers not getting killed?  hmmmmmmmm?

still, media should focus on soldiers handing out candy.  that going to change everything.
Title: Re: The Honorable Donald Rumsfeld Requests that Ms. Julie Fern Ceases and Desists
Post by: Julie Fern on December 08, 2005, 04:58:42 AM
"SIGNS OF FREEDOM AND PROGRESS

 Approximately 80,000 Iraqi children are attending better schools in Iraq’s nine southern provinces because of Coalition reconstruction efforts.

 Internet subscribers have risen from 5,000 before the war to 196,000 in September.

 There were no commercial TV stations in Iraq before the war. Today there are 44.

 There were no independent newspapers or magazines in Iraq before the war. Today there are more than 100.

 There were no commercial radio stations in Iraq before the war. Today there are 72.

 Iraqi judges have conducted 544 trials since October 2003.

 In Ramadi, fliers have appeared that threaten and denounce the tactics of Islamic extremists. Some threaten to inform police of extremists’ identity and whereabouts.

 More than 20 Operating Bases have been returned to the Iraqi Government.

 Iraqis are expressing their freedom by providing information on terrorists. The number of tips has risen from 442 in February to 3,341 in August.

 Driven by the purchase of TVs, appliances, fans, and air conditioners, electricity demand has risen as much as 60% since the war.

 

INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENTS UP TO SEPTEMBER 2005:

 3,404 Public Schools

 304 Water and Sewage Projects

 257 Fire and Police Stations

 149 Health Facilities

 Total of 4,114 reconstruction projects completed with 921 ongoing

 

SECURITY

 27 of 109 Forward Operating Bases (FOB) in Iraq have been turned over to the Iraqi Army or closed.

 FOB Danger, near Tikrit, is scheduled to be turned over soon.

 Iraqi units are being fully integrated into all major Coalition operations.

 210,000 ISF are trained and equipped, 18,000 more than in September.

 As of September, 120 Iraqi Police and Army battalions are in the fight. In addition to a fully independent battalion:

 80 battalions are able to fight alongside Coalition troops.

 36 battalions generally able to conduct independent operations.

 SNAPSHOT: Two brigades of the Iraqi 6th Division have their own battle space in Baghdad, including Haifa Street, once a haven for insurgents.

 As of September, one division, 5 brigades, and 36 battalions currently have the lead in their areas in Iraq. This summer, only one division and 11 battalions had the lead.

 

IRAQI ARMY UNITS IN COMBAT

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

*includes combat support/ service units

DEMOCRACY

 

 October 15th was a historic day for democracy in Iraq and a bad day for terrorists.

 Millions of Iraqis turned out to vote, embracing the democratic process. Iraq now has a constitution.

 On the day of the referendum, there were no suicide bombings, and attacks on polling stations were down from 108 in January to 19 in October.

 60% of registered voters took part in the referendum.

 Significantly higher turnout in Sunni areas is a further indication that Sunnis are joining the political process.

 

IRAQIS TAKING ACTION

 



A significant factor enabling progress against the insurgency is the dramatic increase in intelligence tips received from the population in the past several months, indicative of increasing popular rejection of the insurgents.

 - October, 2005 Report to Congress

 

SINCE JULY….

SINCE JULY’S IRAQ METRICS REPORT TO CONGRESS….

 More than 22 additional battalions have been added to the Iraqi Security Forces.

 More than 5,500 Iraq Police Service personnel have been trained and equipped.

 More than 2,000 Special Police Commanders have been trained and equipped, placing the program well ahead of projections.

 The Mechanized Police reached its target force level of 1,200.

 1,200 additional Public Order Police have been trained and equipped.

 The Emergency Response Unit has conducted nightly operations in Mosul and Baghdad. Its forces have increased by 50%.

 The Ministry of Defense forces have received approximately 10,000 automatic rifles, 1,800 pistols, 2,700 machine guns, and 750 vehicles from the Coalition.

 The Ministry of Interior forces have received approximately 21,000 AK-47s, 15,000 pistols, 1,700 machine guns, and 1,900 vehicles from the Coalition.

 

OPERATION STEEL CURTAIN

 Operation Steel Curtain is a joint Coalition / Iraqi operation to restore Iraqi control of the Iraq-Syria border.

 To date, the operation has resulted in:

 100 weapons caches being found and cleared.

 1,000 men suspected of insurgent activities have been detained.

 2,500 Coalition Forces and 1,000 Iraqi forces are acting to secure the cities of Husaybah and Karabilah as part of Steel Curtain.

 Since the operation began, 79 mines and IEDs have been discovered.

 33 weapons caches have been found and destroyed in Husaybah and Karbilah.

"

all of which comes from same lying bastards who got us in and now want to keep us in.  funny how insurgents not seem to "get it," eh?

julie amazing that we not yet begin restoration of hanging gardens of babylon.  apparently that next week.
Title: Re: The Honorable Donald Rumsfeld Requests that Ms. Julie Fern Ceases and Desists
Post by: Julie Fern on December 08, 2005, 07:02:57 AM
even bush 0 admit he screwed up, so you know it REALLY bad.  hell, ANYONE with brain knew all this.  same idiot, third or fourth chance.  at least this better than shooting and bombing innocent iraqis.

Bush Shifts Priorities in Rebuilding Iraq to Smaller Projects

By DAVID E. SANGER and JAMES GLANZ
New York Times

WASHINGTON, Dec. 7 - President Bush said Wednesday that the strategy for rebuilding Iraq was shifting to smaller, more visible projects, while he conceded that the American effort to rebuild Iraq had been ridden with early mistakes.

"Reconstruction has not always gone as well as we had hoped," Mr. Bush said, in an admission that paralleled his concession last week, in the first of four speeches laying out his Iraq strategy, that the United States had not properly armed and trained Iraqis to resist insurgents.

But he argued that the shift in rebuilding was already drawing Iraqis away from the insurgency plaguing the country. He cited, at length, examples from the rebuilding of Najaf and Mosul, two cities that have been the site of repeated battles and bombings, and that he contended are now coming to life.

Mr. Bush's admission was notable because the administration's critics - and Iraqis themselves - have long argued that the early focus on huge electricity, water and fuel projects was misguided, as was the overreliance on huge American conglomerates to run the programs, a strategy that Mr. Bush indicated was ending.

Within the administration, some officials acknowledged that the White House had ignored specific warnings about these flaws before the invasion in March 2003. Mr. Bush's somewhat chastened tone appeared to reflect a new White House strategy of admitting some errors to improve the chances of winning consensus on what he calls a new national "plan for victory."

The atmospherics of Mr. Bush's speech were also markedly different from his recent addresses on Iraq, which have been given in front of enthusiastic audiences, often on military bases. On Wednesday he spoke at the Council on Foreign Relations, before an audience that included many who were clearly skeptical, and some highly critical, of the strategy and Mr. Bush's competency.

Instead of the wild cheers he got last week at the United States Naval Academy, where he described changes in military strategy, there was polite and brief applause. The White House declined a request for Mr. Bush to follow council tradition and take questions at the end of his speech.

Mr. Bush was introduced by Richard N. Haass, the council's president and a senior official in the State Department during the president's first term. Since leaving the government Mr. Haass has termed the invasion of Iraq a "war of choice," a characterization the White House rejects.

Mr. Bush's words were tinged with caution, and an acknowledgment of how much remained to be done. "Corruption is a problem at both the national and local levels of the Iraqi government," he said, an issue he had rarely discussed. He also spoke of how militia groups had infiltrated security forces, "especially the Iraqi police."

Mr. Bush acknowledged that when reconstruction began, "our focus was on repairing and building large-scale infrastructure - such as electrical plans and large water treatment facilities." But, he said, "we found our approach was not meeting the priorities of the Iraqi people." The new projects became targets for terrorists, and contracts did not flow to Iraqi companies.

Now, he said, that has changed. "The terrorists and Saddamists have been able to slow progress, but they haven't been able to stop it," he said.

The decision to make huge projects the centerpieces for rebuilding came directly from Pentagon-controlled agencies that ran Iraq after the invasion. But even before the invasion, administration officials now concede, there were warnings from the State Department that smaller, more focused reconstruction projects had worked in other war-torn countries and might be more suitable for Iraq.

James Kunder, an assistant administrator at the United States Agency for International Development, which lost its argument for a small-is-better approach, said he did not think opposing views on reconstruction were actively stifled.

"That debate was a fair debate, it was an open debate, and truth be told, even though I might have gone a different way, those folks had a good argument," Mr. Kunder said.

Some experts said the president's new stance could be forming too late to do much good. "It was a much more realistic tone than I've ever seen," said Rick Barton, co-director of the post-conflict reconstruction project at the Center for Strategic and International Studies in Washington. "This approach probably would have been fine when we were saying it one year ago, two years ago, but I just don't think the margins are as generous now."

Depending on how the president's words were parsed, it appeared that he might have been signaling an even larger shift, to a strategy in which America would focus on developing the Iraqi economy and pools of technical expertise in its ministries so Iraqis could carry on much of the reconstruction themselves.

"What you're seeing here is a recalibration and an additional emphasis," Mr. Kunder said.

An even more basic question is where the money for reconstruction would come from if the United States stopped paying for much of it. Iraqi and American officials have repeatedly conceded that little progress is likely until Iraq reduces its crippling subsidies for food and fuel. But after fatal rioting broke out in Yemen when the government there reduced subsidies, there may be little incentive to try the experiment in violence-torn Iraq.

Mr. Bush did not address this problem directly, saying only that the United States wanted to help "establish the institutions of a market economy." With his examples of what he called reconstruction progress in Najaf and Mosul, he also hinted at another key element of American strategy: giving more authority to provincial governments at the expense of the traditional center of power in Baghdad.

"It can take years of hard work to build a healthy civil society," Mr. Bush told the council's members. But, he said, Iraqis are "learning that democracy is the only way to build a just and peaceful society, because it's the only system that gives every citizen a voice in determining its future."

Title: Re: The Honorable Donald Rumsfeld Requests that Ms. Julie Fern Ceases and Desists
Post by: Freak on December 08, 2005, 07:16:00 AM
Poster child for planned parenthood? How did you get out of the womb?

head first.  saw immediately that there no democrats in room, so felt secure.

 :D At least they didn't crush it, you're lucky, at least that's one thing Bush won't allow.
Title: Re: The Honorable Donald Rumsfeld Requests that Ms. Julie Fern Ceases and Desists
Post by: Julie Fern on December 08, 2005, 07:19:53 AM
since when he stop it?  anyhoo, he prefer to kill 'em off once they become old enough to serve in military.

and you notice his head has at least few dents in it?

Title: Re: The Honorable Donald Rumsfeld Requests that Ms. Julie Fern Ceases and Desists
Post by: Freak on December 08, 2005, 07:26:44 AM
since when he stop it?  anyhoo, he prefer to kill 'em off once they become old enough to serve in military.

and you notice his head has at least few dents in it?



Well I guess he didn't personally stop it, just signed the law.

I guess he didn't look first when he came out.
Title: Re: The Honorable Donald Rumsfeld Requests that Ms. Julie Fern Ceases and Desists
Post by: Julie Fern on December 08, 2005, 07:31:24 AM
or since.
Title: Re: The Honorable Donald Rumsfeld Requests that Ms. Julie Fern Ceases and Desists
Post by: Freak on December 08, 2005, 07:34:36 AM
or since.

He hasn't looked since? Or he hasn't signed the partial birth abortion ban?
Title: Re: The Honorable Donald Rumsfeld Requests that Ms. Julie Fern Ceases and Desists
Post by: ImVinny! on December 08, 2005, 03:53:41 PM
"the real concern in my opinion should be foreign forces infiltrating the country.  this is a direct result of our lack of planning in terms of securing the borders.  i think we should be making that a priority."


I am curious as to why you think that the borders are not getting more secure there?
Title: Re: The Honorable Donald Rumsfeld Requests that Ms. Julie Fern Ceases and Desists
Post by: Julie Fern on December 08, 2005, 04:34:14 PM
or since.

He hasn't looked since? Or he hasn't signed the partial birth abortion ban?

hasn't looked.
Title: Re: The Honorable Donald Rumsfeld Requests that Ms. Julie Fern Ceases and Desists
Post by: Freak on December 08, 2005, 05:05:26 PM
or since.

He hasn't looked since? Or he hasn't signed the partial birth abortion ban?

hasn't looked.

 :D
Title: Re: The Honorable Donald Rumsfeld Requests that Ms. Julie Fern Ceases and Desists
Post by: ImVinny! on December 08, 2005, 07:31:25 PM
So half the borders are secure and the other half are not?
Title: Re: The Honorable Donald Rumsfeld Requests that Ms. Julie Fern Ceases and Desists
Post by: ImVinny! on December 09, 2005, 04:00:25 PM
Is that really that big of an issue though? The US borders are not necessarily secure either.
The Iraqi soldiers are working on their border security, will it ever be totally SECURE though? I think that may not be a reality for any modern day country.
Title: Re: The Honorable Donald Rumsfeld Requests that Ms. Julie Fern Ceases and Desist
Post by: _BP_ on December 09, 2005, 05:07:07 PM
http://movies.crooksandliars.com/howardstern-Dean.mp3


Howard Stern on Howard Dean.
Title: Re: The Honorable Donald Rumsfeld Requests that Ms. Julie Fern Ceases and Desist
Post by: TrojanChispas on December 12, 2005, 09:50:53 AM
Rumsfeld is right that the media is only focusing on the negatives and no positives. The soldiers are writing all their families and friends and telling them of all the great things that we are doing over there and the media only wants to talk about who got killed where and how today. It is sick and disgusting really. There is a lot of progress in Iraq and people need to wake up and recognize what a great leader Pres Bush is.

dude, how are we actually winning the war?  Is there an end in sight?  Schools and roads and newspapers are nice, but how do those make up for the constant car bombs that are going off?

plus, that number you cited for how many Iraqis are trained is total bs.  Remember bush told us that last year and it was debunked because only like 100 actually had seen any combat.
Title: Re: The Honorable Donald Rumsfeld Requests that Ms. Julie Fern Ceases and Desists
Post by: Julie Fern on December 12, 2005, 11:56:35 AM
cheer the crappy product, hey!  cheer the crappy product, hey!