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Law Students => Transferring => Topic started by: Tsmdiver on June 28, 2010, 02:12:15 PM

Title: T4 to T1
Post by: Tsmdiver on June 28, 2010, 02:12:15 PM

Bye T4! Hi T1! What a wonderful feeling...
Title: Re: T4 to T1
Post by: bigs5068 on June 28, 2010, 02:27:10 PM
From where to where? How much if any scholarship money did you pass up at your tier? I am just really curious if you were offered anything to stay.
Title: Re: T4 to T1
Post by: Tsmdiver on June 28, 2010, 02:46:39 PM
I was accepted to Emory... I am passing up a measly $10,000 for the next academic year. I'm pretty stoked!
Title: Re: T4 to T1
Post by: bigs5068 on June 28, 2010, 02:59:27 PM
Probably definitely the right choice 10k is a pretty low offer.  I imagine you must have been in the top 10% at least to have transferred into Emory and that is crazy they did not offer you more to stay.
Title: Re: T4 to T1
Post by: Cicero on June 28, 2010, 03:12:08 PM
I don't have all my acceptances/rejections yet, but I can currently say bye T-4, hello tippity top of T-2.  :)  (I'm hoping to be able to say hello T-1 soon. lol.) It is a big relief! I worked my @ss off all year (as I'm sure you did too), and I am so ecstatic/elated/[insert all other applicable adjectives] that it paid off. I certainly look forward to shedding some of the stress and baggage that comes with attending a T-4 LS and reaping some of the benefits a T-1/2 has to offer.

I'm surprised your school isn't giving you more money to try to tempt you to stay. My old school increased mine to $27.5K, but it still leaves me paying about $7K/yr. (Then again, this is a new scholly deal based on class rank that the school started this year to try to retain more students. You'd think they'd have a full ride option, but it caps out at $27.5K)

OP, thanks for starting this page. There should definitely be a Bye T-4 Hello not T-4 transfer thread.
Title: Re: T4 to T1
Post by: bigs5068 on June 28, 2010, 03:14:47 PM
I got an extra 10K so I will basically only be paying 7k a year I talked to others who transferred out to tier 2's who said it was not worth the extra debt, that is only a 3 person sample in the bay area though. I am sticking with my tier 4 since everything has gone pretty smoothly for me up to this point, but we will see. Good luck to you guys at your new schools.
Title: Re: T4 to T1
Post by: Cicero on June 28, 2010, 04:59:50 PM
Did you end up negotiating with the Dean or did they increase your scholarship without you having to ask? 7K a year is a great deal if you are happy with your school, and from your posts, it sounds like you really like it there.

The school's I'm looking at are $14-16K a year, so it's not too much more considering the T increase and the many other reasons motivating me to transfer. Losing law review bothers me more than the small tuition difference.

Tsmdiver, you heard back pretty quickly. Does Emory do rolling admission for transfer applications or was there something amazing about your application, like you being #1 at your school that made them respond so quickly?
Title: Re: T4 to T1
Post by: Cicero on June 30, 2010, 12:17:48 PM
Woohoo! Now I get to say it. I heard back from 1 of the T-1's I applied to, and I'm in. Bye T-4, hello T-1!!
Title: Re: T4 to T1
Post by: kjw5029 on June 30, 2010, 05:16:34 PM
Man I haven't heard from anyone yet....  all your talk is making me nervous :-) . 

Would you be kind enough to post ur general class rank?  I'm getting nervous.  I was top 3% at a T4 so I kind of hoped I would hear (at least from somewhere) by now.  Applied everywhere from low tier 2 to mid tier 1's...
Title: Re: T4 to T1
Post by: Cicero on June 30, 2010, 05:27:19 PM
Top 2.3% of a very large class (660). With a Top 3% rank, I bet you will be getting some acceptances soon. Did you apply to schools that are transfer friendly? The other question would be, did you apply to schools that prefer in-state and where you are out-of-state (like UNC)?
Title: Re: T4 to T1
Post by: kjw5029 on June 30, 2010, 06:29:49 PM
I applied both in state and out of state.  I also applied to transfer friendly schools.  I can't say they all were because I applied to a lot of schools (12).  The closest I've even gotten to a decision is Santa Clara saying my application is "in committee."  It's been that way for 9 days...  I guess some schools also don't do status checks online and I am quite far from a few.  Maybe I'm just reasoning with myself, but all I really want is one acceptance so I can leave my old school  :o
Title: Re: T4 to T1
Post by: bigs5068 on June 30, 2010, 08:20:11 PM
Santa Clara will probably keep you waiting until your school starts. I have no idea if that is true, but I f'ing hate that school. 
Title: Re: T4 to T1
Post by: Cicero on June 30, 2010, 08:37:03 PM
kjw5029, is your current school ABA approved, waiting for approval, or neither?
Title: Re: T4 to T1
Post by: cooleylawstudent on June 30, 2010, 10:39:32 PM
You say very large class as if it were a good thing. You realise that the opposit is true don't you? The larger the number of people, the easier it is to climb to the "upper percent". To a simpelton it may appear "but there are more people to compete with" but yeah, thats my point too. The top 10% of 10 is only one guy,the top 10% of 700 would be 70. Starting to see how thats not a bragging right?

Top 2.3% of a very large class (660). With a Top 3% rank, I bet you will be getting some acceptances soon. Did you apply to schools that are transfer friendly? The other question would be, did you apply to schools that prefer in-state and where you are out-of-state (like UNC)?
Title: Re: T4 to T1
Post by: Cicero on July 01, 2010, 12:50:32 AM
"You say very large class as if it were a good thing. You reali[z]e that the opposit[e] is true don't you? The larger the number of people, the easier it is to climb to the "upper percent". To a simp[le]ton it may appear "but there are more people to compete with" but yeah, that[']s my point too. The top 10% of 10 is only one guy,the top 10% of 700 would be 70. Starting to see how that[']s not a bragging right?"


You seem to jump to a lot of conclusions about people's intentions without any factual basis from which to form your hypothesis. She did ask the question about our ranks. Perhaps I said very large class to further explain the rank. The 660 was specified to allow kjw to calculate the rank into a more specific number in case she was wanting that info since top such and such percent can be vague. By the way, it is still harder to be #70 of 700 than 70 of 100, and top 10% is still top 10% (1 in 10) no matter how you try to downplay it with larger numbers. It doesn't actually get easier to be in the top 10% the more people you have. (This statement is based math.) I may be #15, not number 1, but I'm pretty happy with it since it represents a lot of hard work on my part.

Since you are so superior to the rest of us on LSD, would you care to dazzle us all with your awesome rank?
Title: Re: T4 to T1
Post by: cooleylawstudent on July 01, 2010, 09:34:05 AM
really....its easier to be 70 out of 100, then 70 out of 700.......wow...........oh wait you were saying percent not class ranking, oh yeah......try to keep up with yourself.

"You say very large class as if it were a good thing. You reali[z]e that the opposit[e] is true don't you? The larger the number of people, the easier it is to climb to the "upper percent". To a simp[le]ton it may appear "but there are more people to compete with" but yeah, that[']s my point too. The top 10% of 10 is only one guy,the top 10% of 700 would be 70. Starting to see how that[']s not a bragging right?"


You seem to jump to a lot of conclusions about people's intentions without any factual basis from which to form your hypothesis. She did ask the question about our ranks. Perhaps I said very large class to further explain the rank. The 660 was specified to allow kjw to calculate the rank into a more specific number in case she was wanting that info since top such and such percent can be vague. By the way, it is still harder to be #70 of 700 than 70 of 100, and top 10% is still top 10% (1 in 10) no matter how you try to downplay it with larger numbers. It doesn't actually get easier to be in the top 10% the more people you have. (This statement is based math.) I may be #15, not number 1, but I'm pretty happy with it since it represents a lot of hard work on my part.

Since you are so superior to the rest of us on LSD, would you care to dazzle us all with your awesome rank?
Title: Re: T4 to T1
Post by: Cicero on July 01, 2010, 10:13:07 AM
"really....it[']s easier to be 70 out of 100, th[a]n 70 out of 700.......wow...........oh wait[,] you were saying percent not class ranking, oh yeah......try to keep up with yourself."

Okay, I'll explain the math:
#70 out of 100 =  top 70%, # 70 out of 700 = top 10%, so yes it is easier to have the rank of #70 of 100 than to have the rank of #70 out of 700. The more people you add in, the harder it becomes to have a higher specific rank--the higher the percent you have to achieve.

So far so good? Okay, now let's talk about class percentages.
Percentages are based on the percentages totaling to 100. So top 10% of 10 is 1 person (1 in 10 chance), top 10% of 100 is 10 people (still 1 in 10 odds), top 10% of 1000 is 100 people (again still 1 in 10 odds). The odds of being in the top 10% are 1 in 10.

In conclusion, it is actually harder to get a specific rank (#) the more students you throw into the mix (not easier), but the percentages do not get harder or easier based on the number of students.

I really do hope you are kidding about your previous statements regarding the math involved in ranking and percents. If not, I hope you aren't going to be a contracts lawyer because you need to be able to do at least simple math in order to calculate damages.

By the way, I noticed you decided not to blow us all away with your superior rank.

This thread is for transfer students to have an outlet to anonymously shout out their excitement and relief to each other. Everything you have to do leading up to the acceptance is pretty stressful and it is nice to have an outlet to shout out Bye T-4, hello T-1 when it finally happens. It is not an area of bragging as it seems you may have assumed. Furthermore, I don't think that anyone intended it as an area for you to further spread your disdain for others and continue your attempts to start arguments. Good day, sir! I said good day.
Title: Re: T4 to T1
Post by: cooleylawstudent on July 01, 2010, 10:42:09 AM
yes, idiot I knew the math to begin with. Let me break it down for you
1)you were "bragging" about being in the top percent of a big class
2) I said big class, equals easier to be in top percent
3) you go off topic onto how the same number in a smaller class is a different percent
4) I explain that has nothing to do with what we were discussing
5) you return to your random rants.
6) I post this
7) you still dont get it.

"really....it[']s easier to be 70 out of 100, th[a]n 70 out of 700.......wow...........oh wait[,] you were saying percent not class ranking, oh yeah......try to keep up with yourself."

Okay, I'll explain the math:
#70 out of 100 =  top 70%, # 70 out of 700 = top 10%, so yes it is easier to have the rank of #70 of 100 than to have the rank of #70 out of 700. The more people you add in, the harder it becomes to have a higher specific rank--the higher the percent you have to achieve.

So far so good? Okay, now let's talk about class percentages.
Percentages are based on the percentages totaling to 100. So top 10% of 10 is 1 person (1 in 10 chance), top 10% of 100 is 10 people (still 1 in 10 odds), top 10% of 1000 is 100 people (again still 1 in 10 odds). The odds of being in the top 10% are 1 in 10.

In conclusion, it is actually harder to get a specific rank (#) the more students you throw into the mix (not easier), but the percentages do not get harder or easier based on the number of students.

I really do hope you are kidding about your previous statements regarding the math involved in ranking and percents. If not, I hope you aren't going to be a contracts lawyer because you need to be able to do at least simple math in order to calculate damages.

By the way, I noticed you decided not to blow us all away with your superior rank.

This thread is for transfer students to have an outlet to anonymously shout out their excitement and relief to each other. Everything you have to do leading up to the acceptance is pretty stressful and it is nice to have an outlet to shout out Bye T-4, hello T-1 when it finally happens. It is not an area of bragging as it seems you may have assumed. Furthermore, I don't think that anyone intended it as an area for you to further spread your disdain for others and continue your attempts to start arguments. Good day, sir! I said good day.
Title: Re: T4 to T1
Post by: Cicero on July 01, 2010, 10:58:06 AM
As to bragging: 
Man I haven't heard from anyone yet....  all your talk is making me nervous :-) . 

Would you be kind enough to post ur general class rank?  I'm getting nervous.  I was top 3% at a T4 so I kind of hoped I would hear (at least from somewhere) by now.  Applied everywhere from low tier 2 to mid tier 1's...
Oh wait, that's right, I was answering a question someone asked me. The point of it all is that kjw basically has the  same percent and should get an acceptance soon.

"You say very large class as if it were a good thing. You reali[z]e that the opposit[e] is true don't you? The larger the number of people, the easier it is to climb to the "upper percent". To a simp[le]ton it may appear "but there are more people to compete with" but yeah, that[']s my point too. The top 10% of 10 is only one guy,the top 10% of 700 would be 70. Starting to see how that[']s not a bragging right?"

Umm...the above sure doesn't sound like you get the math. I'm glad that you do get it.

I don't see anywhere in your posts where you explained that it had nothing to do with what we were discussing. In fact, you were the one that came into the conversation trying to hijack it from its purpose. My "rant" wasn't random. It was in direct response to your inability to do math and the derisive and inflammatory remarks you always post.

Whatever has jaded you so much and put this big bee up your bonnet please take it somewhere else. This is a thread for celebration.

Title: Re: T4 to T1
Post by: cooleylawstudent on July 01, 2010, 11:05:37 AM
Are you honestly a mental invalid enough to quote someone saying that the top ten percent of 10 is 1 guy, and claim that is wrong?

As to bragging: 
Man I haven't heard from anyone yet....  all your talk is making me nervous :-) . 

Would you be kind enough to post ur general class rank?  I'm getting nervous.  I was top 3% at a T4 so I kind of hoped I would hear (at least from somewhere) by now.  Applied everywhere from low tier 2 to mid tier 1's...
Oh wait, that's right, I was answering a question someone asked me. The point of it all is that kjw basically has the  same percent and should get an acceptance soon.

"You say very large class as if it were a good thing. You reali[z]e that the opposit[e] is true don't you? The larger the number of people, the easier it is to climb to the "upper percent". To a simp[le]ton it may appear "but there are more people to compete with" but yeah, that[']s my point too. The top 10% of 10 is only one guy,the top 10% of 700 would be 70. Starting to see how that[']s not a bragging right?"

Umm...the above sure doesn't sound like you get the math. I'm glad that you do get it.

I don't see anywhere in your posts where you explained that it had nothing to do with what we were discussing. In fact, you were the one that came into the conversation trying to hijack it from its purpose. My "rant" wasn't random. It was in direct response to your inability to do math and the derisive and inflammatory remarks you always post.

Whatever has jaded you so much and put this big bee up your bonnet please take it somewhere else. This is a thread for celebration.
Title: Re: T4 to T1
Post by: Cicero on July 01, 2010, 11:30:27 AM
"You say very large class as if it were a good thing. You reali[z]e that the opposit[e] is true don't you? The larger the number of people, the easier it is to climb to the "upper percent".  <---This is the main sentence I was responding to when I explained the math to you. Not the 1 in 10 part. The rest was left in for context and so that it was clear that I was not taking out any of your content.

"really....its easier to be 70 out of 100, then 70 out of 700.......wow...........oh wait you were saying percent not class ranking, oh yeah......try to keep up with yourself." <--- My next post was in response to this post because it didn't seem like you understood what I was saying. No, I was saying it is easier to be #70, which is rank and not percent.

Perhaps we are saying some of the same things and not realizing it and maybe our views are so different we will never agree. If you are making all of these awesome points, I'm not seeing them. The posts from you that are showing up on my screen tend to be unsolicited bullying of other posters through abusive language and badgering. If there are any real points in between those things then they are often lost because of your grammar, spelling, and incoherent sentences. However, I guess you are good at what you really seem to be trying to do on this site--frustrate other posters. You have been trying to goad me into arguing with you from the time I wrote my first post.
Title: Re: T4 to T1
Post by: cooleylawstudent on July 01, 2010, 04:46:27 PM
"but your honor, the other side is saying things that I don't like and speaking in a way simular to that of the average jury member.....(tossing files)..... :'( " (he,he I showed them).................. ::)

"You say very large class as if it were a good thing. You reali[z]e that the opposit[e] is true don't you? The larger the number of people, the easier it is to climb to the "upper percent".  <---This is the main sentence I was responding to when I explained the math to you. Not the 1 in 10 part. The rest was left in for context and so that it was clear that I was not taking out any of your content.

"really....its easier to be 70 out of 100, then 70 out of 700.......wow...........oh wait you were saying percent not class ranking, oh yeah......try to keep up with yourself." <--- My next post was in response to this post because it didn't seem like you understood what I was saying. No, I was saying it is easier to be #70, which is rank and not percent.

Perhaps we are saying some of the same things and not realizing it and maybe our views are so different we will never agree. If you are making all of these awesome points, I'm not seeing them. The posts from you that are showing up on my screen tend to be unsolicited bullying of other posters through abusive language and badgering. If there are any real points in between those things then they are often lost because of your grammar, spelling, and incoherent sentences. However, I guess you are good at what you really seem to be trying to do on this site--frustrate other posters. You have been trying to goad me into arguing with you from the time I wrote my first post.
Title: Re: T4 to T1
Post by: brkl93 on July 01, 2010, 10:57:30 PM
blah.blah,blah,Thelo here ya go again ,,,,,,,,,,,,That is not true ............
Title: Re: T4 to T1
Post by: cooleylawstudent on July 01, 2010, 10:58:37 PM
please, give details.

blah.blah,blah,Thelo here ya go again ,,,,,,,,,,,,That is not true ............
Title: Re: T4 to T1
Post by: rafterfan on July 06, 2010, 10:31:39 AM
Santa Clara will probably keep you waiting until your school starts. I have no idea if that is true, but I f'ing hate that school.

hey bigs...why do you hate that school?
Title: Re: T4 to T1
Post by: kjw5029 on July 06, 2010, 05:59:11 PM
I got rejected from a 90+ ranked school today...and I was top 3% in my class (ABA approved T4).  Now I'm a bit nervous... 
Title: Re: T4 to T1
Post by: Cicero on July 06, 2010, 06:50:30 PM
Don't give up hope. There could be many reasons why this happened. It could be that they rejected you assuming one of the higher ranked schools would accept you or that they prefer instate and you are out-of-state. Do either of these things apply to you?: 1. criminal record or serious conduct violation, 2. currently go to a non-ABA approved law school.
Title: Re: T4 to T1
Post by: kjw5029 on July 06, 2010, 06:53:52 PM
I've never even gotten a speeding ticket and my school is ABA approved....

I've heard stories of people getting in T20 schools and being rejected at schools in the 80's, but this must be rare.  I'm not saying I want to go T20 (bc I understand it's not realistic), but this has to be a bad sign....
Title: Re: T4 to T1
Post by: Cicero on July 06, 2010, 07:10:17 PM
I'm not sure how rare it is for someone to be rejected by schools in the 80s/90s and be accepted by the T20. Honestly, I didn't even apply to anything above T55 because I didn't feel it was worth losing the scholarship and law review at my T-4 unless I could get into a T-1 or a nearly T-1 (also because I was able to choose 3 state schools that fit this description where I could get instate tuition if accepted). The 90+ school may assume it's your last choice and may have chosen a student the admissions committee thinks will actually attend. Otherwise, I don't know why they would be reject you.  The only other things I can think of that could cause problems would be a professor purposely giving you a bad recommendation or that your PS had a bunch of errors, and I doubt these could be true based on your rank.

Don't worry too much. You were top 3%, so you should get an acceptance letter soon from one of the schools.
Title: Re: T4 to T1
Post by: Tsmdiver on July 18, 2010, 09:24:00 AM
Did you end up negotiating with the Dean or did they increase your scholarship without you having to ask? 7K a year is a great deal if you are happy with your school, and from your posts, it sounds like you really like it there.

The school's I'm looking at are $14-16K a year, so it's not too much more considering the T increase and the many other reasons motivating me to transfer. Losing law review bothers me more than the small tuition difference.

Tsmdiver, you heard back pretty quickly. Does Emory do rolling admission for transfer applications or was there something amazing about your application, like you being #1 at your school that made them respond so quickly?


Cicero: I did hear back quickly. In fact, Emory was the last school that I applied to and the first to accept me. My acceptance came via email two weeks after my application was received. I am not sure about rolling admissions, and I was not number one. I did, however, fall in the top 10 percent, and I had three of my law profs write my letters of rec.

Although I am excited to have been accepted to Emory, I will not be attending Emory as a transfer. I was accepted to Emory, FSU and UF. For various reasons, I am leaning toward UF. Where will you be this fall?
Title: Re: T4 to T1
Post by: Cicero on July 18, 2010, 01:42:13 PM
What a small world. Lol. I will most likely be at UF as well. I'm still waiting on a decision from UNC before I make my final decision, though I had to go ahead and send in my intent to attend UF in order to bid for EIW. I think UF & UNC are both great schools and I'd be happy to attend either one of them. FSU is also an excellent school, but I decided that I'd rather go to UF if I stay in FL.

7/19 update: I will be attending UF this fall.
Title: Re: T4 to T1
Post by: Cicero on July 19, 2010, 07:54:32 PM
kjw5029, is there an update? Was it just that school thinking that you wouldn't really go there if they accepted you?
Title: Re: T4 to T1
Post by: Tsmdiver on July 19, 2010, 08:41:17 PM
Well I was leaning toward UF until my visit to Gainesville this early afternoon. I put my deposit down at FSU. The decision for me boiled down to location and appeal. Also, FSU has a bit of an edge with respect to the study of environmental law- my interest.

I hope you guys (and ladies) the best!

FSU College of Law
J.D. Candidate 2012  :)
Title: Re: T4 to T1
Post by: Cicero on July 21, 2010, 08:59:00 PM
Good luck at FSU! It's a great school.   :)
Title: Re: T4 to T1
Post by: kjw5029 on July 27, 2010, 02:54:33 PM
Yeah I heard from a few.  The rejection was actually not a transfer friendly school.  They only had one transfer student last year, so that was probably the reason.  I got in another tier 2 in a location I would like to practice.  Still waiting on 2 schools though that I would go to over this school.  I putt he deposit down at this school and will just lose it I guess if I get in another.  My deposit deadline is the 29th so I didn't have too much of an option.
Title: Re: T4 to T1
Post by: Tsmdiver on August 01, 2010, 08:24:30 AM
Good luck everyone!

Cicero: So, is it UF?
Title: Re: T4 to T1
Post by: Cicero on August 01, 2010, 09:22:36 AM
Yep, UF it is. :) I went to visit Gainesville & UF last weekend, and I was really happy with what I saw. It looks like everything in the town is close, and it has that small town feel while still being big enough to have most of everything. My husband and I like that after living the last year in Jax.