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Title: 2.9 at a high T2, is biglaw completely out of the question?
Post by: rider06 on December 12, 2008, 12:42:33 PM
I don't necessarily want to work at a white shoe firm, but making at least 6 figures would be nice.  Is this possible after a 1-yr state clerkship?  I'm a 3L with mostly B's but God-willing this last year I will get some A's in there in classes like bankruptcy and commercial law.  Do firms really look at individual grades or do they consider the whole package?
Title: Re: 2.9 at a high T2, is biglaw completely out of the question?
Post by: Ninja1 on December 12, 2008, 02:28:52 PM
Ole Miss? If so, you're probably cool. Otherwise... well...
Title: Re: 2.9 at a high T2, is biglaw completely out of the question?
Post by: McNasty on December 12, 2008, 02:29:46 PM
I don't mean to be the bearer of bad news here, but the answer is no. Most larger firms have the ability to predict their recruiting needs in advance. This is even more true for the firms that pay six figures. They conduct on-campus interviews at select law schools in the Fall - and fill their needs. A lot of people who work for these places are also 2L's that did summer internships there.

I don't think anyone really cares about what courses you take as a 3L, or even as a 2L. MAYBE a DA's Office would care...since I hear they like people to show an interest in Criminal Law, but even still, it's not going to land you a job per se.

Finally, the economy is DEEEEEP in the shitter. Government positions aren't as abundent. Firms are laying people off. Everything has gone to *&^%, bro. Here are some uplifting news items:

http://abajournal.com/news/legal_employment_down_12000_jobs_in_last_year
http://www.abajournal.com/news/about_200_thelen_and_heller_lawyers_still_looking_for_a_job/
http://www.abajournal.com/news/3_more_ny_lawyers_lose_pensions_45_now_on_states_no-pay_list/
http://abajournal.com/news/law_grad_with_llm_lands_just_one_job_interview_from_300_resumes

Hell, someone with expierence from MIT was walking around the streets of New York with his resume on a sandwich board just the other week!

Smaller firms / places that are activly looking to fill positions are going to be your best bet. Focus on places near where you went to school or where you grew up (if different).
Title: Re: 2.9 at a high T2, is biglaw completely out of the question?
Post by: McNasty on December 12, 2008, 02:42:15 PM
Jesus Christ...You know what I'm saying.
Title: Re: 2.9 at a high T2, is biglaw completely out of the question?
Post by: Ninja1 on December 12, 2008, 02:45:41 PM
Jesus Christ...You know what I'm saying.

I find "tm." is borderline retarded, don't mind it.
Title: Re: 2.9 at a high T2, is biglaw completely out of the question?
Post by: Ninja1 on December 12, 2008, 02:52:19 PM
Jesus Christ...You know what I'm saying.

I find "tm." is borderline retarded, don't mind it.

too bad you're not anyone important, and never will be.

Jesus Christ...You know what I'm saying.

just splitting hairs.  ;)

Everest not just a mountain, but also a valley.
Title: Re: 2.9 at a high T2, is biglaw completely out of the question?
Post by: TDJD84 on December 12, 2008, 07:53:07 PM
Big law will be possible in 2-3 years once you have some experience under your belt and the economy improves... Good luck!
Title: Re: 2.9 at a high T2, is biglaw completely out of the question?
Post by: Davis1L on December 13, 2008, 03:54:20 AM
If you are able to indeed secure a clerkship, then a lot of it will come down to luck.

The law clerk I was working with this past summer was a T2 graduate whose first year grades were below the median. That notwithstanding, he managed to write onto law review and was able to get a clerkship.

Because of the type of work that he was doing (very niche), a V100 firm ended up giving him an offer.

But again, this REALLY comes down to luck. The clerk basically told me that that he was definitely not the norm.
Title: Re: 2.9 at a high T2, is biglaw completely out of the question?
Post by: Ninja1 on December 13, 2008, 06:24:13 AM
Big law will be possible in 2-3 years once you have some experience under your belt and the economy improves... Good luck!

this comment may be overly optimistic.

Agreed, unless you hide out as a law clerk for those 2-3 years.
Title: Re: 2.9 at a high T2, is biglaw completely out of the question?
Post by: IUB09 on December 13, 2008, 07:04:24 AM
It is out of the question. Time to explore plan B
Title: Re: 2.9 at a high T2, is biglaw completely out of the question?
Post by: somniferum on December 19, 2008, 04:26:22 PM
Ole Miss? If so, you're probably cool. Otherwise... well...

Olemiss 3L here.  You will absolutely NOT be ok for big firms with a 2.9 :P
Title: Re: 2.9 at a high T2, is biglaw completely out of the question?
Post by: Ninja1 on December 21, 2008, 12:05:43 AM
Ole Miss? If so, you're probably cool. Otherwise... well...

Olemiss 3L here.  You will absolutely NOT be ok for big firms with a 2.9 :P

Doesn't Ole Miss have some kind of harsh ass curve that makes the average like a 2.6 or something?
Title: Re: 2.9 at a high T2, is biglaw completely out of the question?
Post by: Ninja1 on December 21, 2008, 10:01:38 PM
i've never heard of anybody from mississippi working at big firms.  though i suppose i don't have any familiarity with the southern firms.

Ole Miss holds down Mississippi, including the biglaw that's in the state (based on my research).
Title: Re: 2.9 at a high T2, is biglaw completely out of the question?
Post by: Ninja1 on December 21, 2008, 10:05:03 PM
i've never heard of anybody from mississippi working at big firms.  though i suppose i don't have any familiarity with the southern firms.

Ole Miss holds down Mississippi, including the biglaw that's in the state (based on my research).

what biglaw is in mississippi?

There's some. Not a lot, but some. Every state has some biglaw, usually in the capitol if nowhere else.
Title: Re: 2.9 at a high T2, is biglaw completely out of the question?
Post by: Ninja1 on December 21, 2008, 10:12:08 PM
There's some. Not a lot, but some. Every state has some biglaw, usually in the capitol if nowhere else.

really?  a nalpdirectory.com search for mississippi law firms only pulls up the following:

Adams and Reese LLP       Jackson   MS
Baker, Donelson, Bearman, Caldwell & Berkowitz, PC       Jackson   MS
Balch & Bingham LLP       Gulfport   MS
Balch & Bingham LLP       Jackson   MS
Butler, Snow, O'Mara, Stevens, & Cannada, PLLC       Jackson   MS
Butler, Snow, O'Mara, Stevens, & Cannada, PLLC       Gulfport   MS
McGlinchey Stafford, PLLC       Jackson   MS
Phelps Dunbar LLP   Workplace Questionnaire   Jackson   MS
Phelps Dunbar LLP   Workplace Questionnaire   Tupelo   MS
Phelps Dunbar LLP   Workplace Questionnaire   Gulfport   MS
Watkins Ludlam Winter & Stennis, P.A.   Workplace Questionnaire   Jackson   MS

none of these are firms of significant size.

There you go. Or something. I never really gave much of a damn about biglaw.
Title: Re: 2.9 at a high T2, is biglaw completely out of the question?
Post by: Ninja1 on December 21, 2008, 10:24:24 PM
There's some. Not a lot, but some. Every state has some biglaw, usually in the capitol if nowhere else.

really?  a nalpdirectory.com search for mississippi law firms only pulls up the following:

Adams and Reese LLP       Jackson   MS
Baker, Donelson, Bearman, Caldwell & Berkowitz, PC       Jackson   MS
Balch & Bingham LLP       Gulfport   MS
Balch & Bingham LLP       Jackson   MS
Butler, Snow, O'Mara, Stevens, & Cannada, PLLC       Jackson   MS
Butler, Snow, O'Mara, Stevens, & Cannada, PLLC       Gulfport   MS
McGlinchey Stafford, PLLC       Jackson   MS
Phelps Dunbar LLP   Workplace Questionnaire   Jackson   MS
Phelps Dunbar LLP   Workplace Questionnaire   Tupelo   MS
Phelps Dunbar LLP   Workplace Questionnaire   Gulfport   MS
Watkins Ludlam Winter & Stennis, P.A.   Workplace Questionnaire   Jackson   MS

none of these are firms of significant size.

There you go. Or something. I never really gave much of a damn about biglaw.

yeah, calling this biglaw would be beyond generous.  but you don't give a damn about it, so fair enough.

I readily admit that I am somewhat ignorant about biglaw. If it pays over a $100k in a secondary (or tertiary) market, it's biglaw to me.
Title: Re: 2.9 at a high T2, is biglaw completely out of the question?
Post by: themanwithnoname on March 26, 2009, 02:04:11 PM
If you are able to indeed secure a clerkship, then a lot of it will come down to luck.

The law clerk I was working with this past summer was a T2 graduate whose first year grades were below the median. That notwithstanding, he managed to write onto law review and was able to get a clerkship.

Because of the type of work that he was doing (very niche), a V100 firm ended up giving him an offer.

But again, this REALLY comes down to luck. The clerk basically told me that that he was definitely not the norm.


Adding to this, using a niche practice to get into biglaw really comes down to getting into something right before it gets big. If you were into securitization in the early part of the decade you might have been able to leverage that into a biglaw job when it took off (but then you probably got laid off this year). Similarly, if you started doing IP in the late 1980s. Who knows what will be big in 3-5 years though.
Title: Re: 2.9 at a high T2, is biglaw completely out of the question?
Post by: dukedogalley on March 26, 2009, 08:26:13 PM


I readily admit that I am somewhat ignorant about biglaw. If it pays over a $100k in a secondary (or tertiary) market, it's biglaw to me.
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y give advice then...would you want someone who is completely ignorant on a subject giving you advice?
Title: Re: 2.9 at a high T2, is biglaw completely out of the question?
Post by: Ninja1 on March 26, 2009, 09:16:39 PM


y give advice then...would you want someone who is completely ignorant on a subject giving you advice?

I'm up to speed enough. Why ask why if you can't be bothered to type it?

Also, please note that "somewhat" does not equal "completely". HTH.
Title: Re: 2.9 at a high T2, is biglaw completely out of the question?
Post by: dukedogalley on March 26, 2009, 10:07:35 PM


y give advice then...would you want someone who is completely ignorant on a subject giving you advice?

I'm up to speed enough. Why ask why if you can't be bothered to type it?

Also, please note that "somewhat" does not equal "completely". HTH.


your comment re the presence of biglaw in miss. and every state shows your complete ignorance. 

Title: Re: 2.9 at a high T2, is biglaw completely out of the question?
Post by: Ninja1 on March 26, 2009, 11:33:01 PM


y give advice then...would you want someone who is completely ignorant on a subject giving you advice?

I'm up to speed enough. Why ask why if you can't be bothered to type it?

Also, please note that "somewhat" does not equal "completely". HTH.


your comment re the presence of biglaw in miss. and every state shows your complete ignorance. 



$100k will go a lot further in the South than CA or NY.
Title: Re: 2.9 at a high T2, is biglaw completely out of the question?
Post by: CAlaw2010 on May 02, 2010, 03:46:16 PM
I'm reviving an old thread, apparently, but wanted to write in to say chin up, good things can happen.  From my reading of blogs and forums and talking to friends, I realize that I'm extremely fortunate, but wanted to maybe give some hope to the disillusioned.

3L in IP at a low T2 with a good IP program.  Top 25%, law review associate (didn't care enough to apply for editor).  In the bloodbath of 2008 OCIs (for summer 09), sent 20 resumes, 6 first round interviews, 2 BigLaw callbacks, 2 BigLaw offers.  Took one of the summer positions at a V50 firm who ended up offer-lettering every CA summer (~95% offer rate nationwide), no deferral (starting Fall 2010) making a NY salary.  No, I didn't know the hiring partner or have famous relatives.

It can happen.  Don't count on it, but they're out there.
Title: Re: 2.9 at a high T2, is biglaw completely out of the question?
Post by: mnewboldc on May 12, 2010, 09:45:41 AM
2008 OCI wasn't a bloodbath. 2009 OCI was a bloodbath. You got 20 interviews and six callbacks from top 25% at a low-ranked T2? Good lord. There are people on law review up here who got nothing from OCI in 2009.

For a T2 student with a 2.9 GPA in TODAY'S economy: there will be nothing out there for you. Nothing. Oh yes, there will be one or two students who manage to find something, and who will impart to you their tales of success by heroically trolling these boards. Remember there are 40,000 other law students who would tell you differently.