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Title: Does the second semester suck any less?
Post by: jason_perrlx on December 06, 2008, 09:06:34 PM
Just curious.  Don't get me wrong, it's been interesting.  But finals are *&^%.
Title: Re: Does the second semester suck any less?
Post by: BearlyLegal on December 06, 2008, 09:09:53 PM
Just curious.  Don't get me wrong, it's been interesting.  But finals are poo.

O. M. G.  :o

JP!!!
Title: Re: Does the second semester suck any less?
Post by: ,.,.,.;.,.,. on December 06, 2008, 09:10:23 PM
No f-ing way.  It's an imposter.   :o
Title: Re: Does the second semester suck any less?
Post by: jason_perrlx on December 06, 2008, 09:13:40 PM
I love you bear. 

I probably love you too, otherguy, but I don't recognize you yet.
Title: Re: Does the second semester suck any less?
Post by: BearlyLegal on December 06, 2008, 09:14:32 PM
I love you bear. 

I probably love you too, otherguy, but I don't recognize you yet.
I luv u too, JP!!! Hope everything is going well. Wish I could chat for a long time, but CivPro sux and I need to concentrate, someow.
Title: Re: Does the second semester suck any less?
Post by: jason_perrlx on December 06, 2008, 09:16:06 PM
catch you later bear.  I'm in the same situation, but it's contracts (not civ pro) that's up my ass.
Title: Re: Does the second semester suck any less?
Post by: BearlyLegal on December 06, 2008, 09:17:13 PM
catch you later bear.  I'm in the same situation, but it's contracts (not civ pro) that's up my ass.
Stay in touch, JP. Missed ya, dooder.
Title: Re: Does the second semester suck any less?
Post by: jason_perrlx on December 06, 2008, 09:18:58 PM
missed you too, man.  I mean, bear.
Title: Re: Does the second semester suck any less?
Post by: ,.,.,.;.,.,. on December 06, 2008, 09:19:47 PM
This is Walls.
Title: Re: Does the second semester suck any less?
Post by: jason_perrlx on December 06, 2008, 09:21:41 PM
Walls!!  How are you?  Did you end up where I think you did?  central time zone?

How are things?
Title: Re: Does the second semester suck any less?
Post by: jason_perrlx on December 06, 2008, 09:22:55 PM
up, i'm gonna have to jet too for the moment.  Later Stevens.
Title: Re: Does the second semester suck any less?
Post by: ,.,.,.;.,.,. on December 06, 2008, 09:26:38 PM
Walls!!  How are you?  Did you end up where I think you did?  central time zone?

How are things?

Yep.  Studying for Finals.  Knee-deep in practice exams.

Good luck.
Title: Re: Does the second semester suck any less?
Post by: Ninja1 on December 07, 2008, 06:51:29 AM
I think second semester has to suck less, just because you actually kind of know what you're doing now and what to expect.
Title: Re: Does the second semester suck any less?
Post by: nealric on December 07, 2008, 10:29:15 AM
It sucks differently  ;D
Title: Re: Does the second semester suck any less?
Post by: flyaway on December 07, 2008, 10:47:28 AM
Depends on the course load at your school.  At Michigan, with taking 2-3 more credits second semester, it sucks way more.
Title: Re: Does the second semester suck any less?
Post by: Ninja1 on December 08, 2008, 06:52:42 AM
Depends on the course load at your school.  At Michigan, with taking 2-3 more credits second semester, it sucks way more.

That would blow.

I'd imagine worrying about finding a summer job (especially right now) won't make next semester any easier either.
Title: Re: Does the second semester suck any less?
Post by: jacy85 on December 08, 2008, 11:31:46 AM
It sucks differently  ;D

Agreed.  Just because you know what's coming doesn't make it any better/easier. 
Title: Re: Does the second semester suck any less?
Post by: Matthies on December 08, 2008, 12:35:12 PM
It sucks differently  ;D

they all suck universially
Title: Re: Does the second semester suck any less?
Post by: TheDudeMan on December 09, 2008, 11:51:18 AM
But 1L sucks far worse than the latter years.......
Title: Re: Does the second semester suck any less?
Post by: vap on December 09, 2008, 05:47:45 PM
But 1L sucks far worse than the latter years.......

1L spring was my easiest semester so far.

2L fall has been worst. I had 300+ hours of law review work, wrote a case note, had a legal writing class, and went through the stressful job hunt.  The time commitment has been reversed, though.  Now that finals are here, my stress level has strangely decreased.

1L they scare you.
2L they work you.
3L they bore you.

But it always depends on your school, classes, profs, etc.
Title: Re: Does the second semester suck any less?
Post by: goaliechica on December 09, 2008, 06:02:39 PM
But 1L sucks far worse than the latter years.......

1L spring was my easiest semester so far.

2L fall has been worst. I had 300+ hours of law review work, wrote a case note, had a legal writing class, and went through the stressful job hunt.  The time commitment has been reversed, though.  Now that finals are here, my stress level has strangely decreased.

1L they scare you.
2L they work you.
3L they bore you.

But it always depends on your school, classes, profs, etc.

This was my experience, as well.
Title: Re: Does the second semester suck any less?
Post by: Lucero on December 09, 2008, 07:50:37 PM
1L sucks the most, fall of 2L is the most work, and after that its a breeze - the bar and the golf course with a couple of classes sprinkled in.
Title: Re: Does the second semester suck any less?
Post by: T. Durden on December 10, 2008, 10:01:25 AM
oh it never stops sucking. and that applies to what comes after law school, too.
Title: Re: Does the second semester suck any less?
Post by: aerynn on December 10, 2008, 11:50:28 AM
I'm a 3L and 1L spring sucks worse than 1L fall, but 2L fall is the worst of all the semesters so far. 
Title: Re: Does the second semester suck any less?
Post by: observationalist on December 10, 2008, 12:58:47 PM
The last two weeks of every semester are a pain, and 1L memo/brief deadlines usually ruined a weekend each.  I thought things lightened up a lot 1L spring semester with our class, even though they added on a course.  People weren't as worried about the profs that do Socratic, most of us figured out how to brief/read less and prioritize on learning the materials that will be on the final exam, and the excitement over 1L summer jobs made it easier to worry less on grades and focus more on learning the material.  It's nothing like the low-stress life of a 2L (again, except for right now), but it was a huge relief to be done with the first semester and we celebrated accordingly.
Title: Re: Does the second semester suck any less?
Post by: 3-Elle on December 10, 2008, 01:18:51 PM
What's it like around the end of January when everyone gets their grades? Does the class dynamic change at all, or does no one talk about it at all?
Title: Re: Does the second semester suck any less?
Post by: imwithhappy on December 10, 2008, 01:28:12 PM
What's it like around the end of January when everyone gets their grades? Does the class dynamic change at all, or does no one talk about it at all?

My 2L and 3L friends say that people you thought were your friends suddenly become part of "this group" or "that group".    Or those that made law review, and those that didn't.


Title: Re: Does the second semester suck any less?
Post by: flyaway on December 10, 2008, 02:08:41 PM
I never noticed any change in dynamics after grades came out.

Anyway, 2L fall sucks way, way worse than 1L for me.  Even my Christmas break I have school things I have to do. But I'm optimistic it will only be better from February on out for the rest of law school. :)
Title: Re: Does the second semester suck any less?
Post by: Matthies on December 10, 2008, 02:12:34 PM
I never noticed any change in dynamics after grades came out.

Anyway, 2L fall sucks way, way worse than 1L for me.  Even my Christmas break I have school things I have to do. But I'm optimistic it will only be better from February on out for the rest of law school. :)
\
Keep beliving that, dreams are all you have left to live for 3L

::spreads joy::
Title: Re: Does the second semester suck any less?
Post by: observationalist on December 10, 2008, 02:29:39 PM
I never noticed any change in dynamics after grades came out.

Anyway, 2L fall sucks way, way worse than 1L for me.  Even my Christmas break I have school things I have to do. But I'm optimistic it will only be better from February on out for the rest of law school. :)
\
Keep beliving that, dreams are all you have left to live for 3L

::spreads joy::

Haha.

What's it like around the end of January when everyone gets their grades? Does the class dynamic change at all, or does no one talk about it at all?

My 2L and 3L friends say that people you thought were your friends suddenly become part of "this group" or "that group".    Or those that made law review, and those that didn't.




This depends on where you go to school.  We're fairly open with each other about how we do on grades, where we're looking for work, etc.  If I went somewhere where I thought I was competing with my classmates for jobs, then how we stacked up for grades would matter more and I guess we'd be less inclined to talk about them.

And FWIW we openly mock the people who are on Law Review, especially when they whine about being busy. They brought all that cite-checking upon themselves. Again, if they were the only ones getting jobs I guess the dynamic would change a bit.
Title: Re: Does the second semester suck any less?
Post by: sstar on December 10, 2008, 07:55:36 PM


And FWIW we openly mock the people who are on Law Review, especially when they whine about being busy. They brought all that cite-checking upon themselves. Again, if they were the only ones getting jobs I guess the dynamic would change a bit.

that's especially funny coming from a choir boy :D....... great performance the other day.
Title: Re: Does the second semester suck any less?
Post by: observationalist on December 10, 2008, 11:31:02 PM


And FWIW we openly mock the people who are on Law Review, especially when they whine about being busy. They brought all that cite-checking upon themselves. Again, if they were the only ones getting jobs I guess the dynamic would change a bit.

that's especially funny coming from a choir boy :D....... great performance the other day.

Dude, you're wrecking my image.  I just had someone on TLS tell me I was the most annoying troll ever, so maybe I should scale it back a bit and put a little more time into studying... [edit... she's a 0L, so I feel less alarmed now.] Maybe people just need a good a cappella group to sing them sweet Rastafarian versions of holiday songs.
Title: Re: Does the second semester suck any less?
Post by: stricly bricly on January 07, 2009, 01:14:40 AM
whoa!!!!!!!!

also, this OP has been running through my head for the past two weeks.  good thing i am taking a paltry 14 units this time.
Title: Re: Does the second semester suck any less?
Post by: goaliechica on January 07, 2009, 10:00:22 AM
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And FWIW we openly mock the people who are on Law Review, especially when they whine about being busy. They brought all that cite-checking upon themselves.
People on law review openly mock you guys for being too stupid to get on law review. 

Wow. Do you listen to yourself?

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 Actually, no, because people on my law review aren't childish.

Right. Because writing a note and doing a cite-checking packet magically filters out the childish people. It certainly seems like it. See supra quote 1. 

I don't know why you'd mock someone for winning a competition;

Because it's a time-honored tradition? Because it's all in good fun?

it is lame to "openly mock" your peers. Period.

Do you have ANY sense of humor? Sheesh. Get over yourself. Telling people that they must be stupid if they didn't write on to law review is exactly why people like to mock people on law review.
Title: Re: Does the second semester suck any less?
Post by: observationalist on January 07, 2009, 10:41:19 AM
We just do our best to keep things in perspective, that's all.  It's healthy not to take oneself too seriously.  If my friends on Law Review really did mock me for being a dummy I would mock them right back at karaoke night. In fact, I would mock and roll them all night long if that's what it takes to make law school a more enjoyable place to spend a few years.  And taboos, like prestige, are overrated.  I like my school because we get good jobs and can help each other out in the process... knowing what our friends who didn't get OCI jobs have for gpas is like knowing what they did before they came to school... it lets us figure out what else they can aim for and who they can contact. They don't need to talk to anyone or share information, but it can help them if they're comfortable doing so.

I understand this probably isn't a normal law school culture I've described... people who naturally prefer something else have plenty of opportunities to pursue elsewhere. No need to hate something that's different from what you've experienced.
Title: Re: Does the second semester suck any less?
Post by: observationalist on January 07, 2009, 10:49:12 AM
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People on law review openly mock you guys for being too stupid to get on law review.

Wow. Do you listen to yourself?

Quote from: Stole Your Nose! on Today at 11:30:12 AM
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 Actually, no, because people on my law review aren't childish.

Right. Because writing a note and doing a cite-checking packet magically filters out the childish people. It certainly seems like it. See supra quote 1.

You missed the whole damn point, goaliechica.  The counter to "you brought it on yourself" is that "you tried to bring it on yourself; you just weren't good enough to get on," but I don't think that, and I don't know anyone on law review who does. It's pretty damn high schoolish. The point was that I find it astonishing that people would mock someone for getting on law review or not.

Woah. what makes you think I tried to get on law review?  I've actually got a sweet spot on our enviro journal through a separate writeon competition... one semester into it so far and I've found it fascinating.  Got a great GULC prof re-publishing an article I'm really interested in, and I get to work with a few other students on putting it together in time for the April symposium in DC, where I'll get to meet a bunch of public-interest folks and schmooze at will.  For what I'm looking to do (not straight corporate work), it's better than cite-checking. Hence, me and my anti-cite-checking nature can mock all over my friends who prefer cite-checking (or at least the noted benefits that come from putting Law Review or another labor-intensive journal on your resume).  I never said it wasn't rewarding, just that thinking there's a true hierarchy in law school is silly.  Different strokes for different folks.
Title: Re: Does the second semester suck any less?
Post by: goaliechica on January 07, 2009, 10:57:30 AM
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People on law review openly mock you guys for being too stupid to get on law review.

Wow. Do you listen to yourself?

Quote from: Stole Your Nose! on Today at 11:30:12 AM
[quote
 Actually, no, because people on my law review aren't childish.

Right. Because writing a note and doing a cite-checking packet magically filters out the childish people. It certainly seems like it. See supra quote 1.

You missed the whole damn point, goaliechica.  The counter to "you brought it on yourself" is that "you tried to bring it on yourself; you just weren't good enough to get on," but I don't think that, and I don't know anyone on law review who does. It's pretty damn high schoolish. The point was that I find it astonishing that people would mock someone for getting on law review or not.

Yeah, see observationalist's comment. As someone who didn't do the write-on competition myself, I would not find "you were too stupid to get law review!" to be an effective burn, but maybe that's just me. Edit: You'd be better off mocking us for being lazy. And as it happens, I don't mock my law review friends, but they do plenty of good-natured self-mocking about how they never should have signed up for so much drudgery. Because, you know, they have a sense of humor about the fact that they signed on for something that kind of sucks just because it will look good on their resumes.

Well, there is that one guy who just loooves legal scholarship, but nobody likes him anyway  :P

Title: Re: Does the second semester suck any less?
Post by: ,.,.,.;.,.,. on January 07, 2009, 11:02:06 AM
I think that "you were too stupid to get on LR" is a midly effective burn, and Stole Your Nose! used it effectively in a sardonic, childish manner to point out how inane observationist's comment seemed.  Making fun of anyone's choices in LS -- or life, for that matter -- is simply a bad choice.  I don't make fun of people for not working hard, not drinking, or not being, in my estimations, intelligent.  

It's a bad move all around.  Arrogant, stupid, alienating.

As others have said, it requires the presumption that the person tried to get on LR, but it's a useful presumption for the overwhelming majority of gunners -- plus or minus a few slackers and "quality of life" types.  I would be humbled and bummed out by not making LR, and you could definitely make fun of me for it, if such a thing happens (as I hope it won't), and I would take it to heart.

 :'(
Title: Re: Does the second semester suck any less?
Post by: observationalist on January 07, 2009, 11:08:13 AM
You also missed the point.  It would just be a general playground-style response; not an individual comment tailored to you. It just seems toolish to openly mock people for choosing different extracurriculars. It sounds different in the context you just gave. You didn't make it seem like you and your friends just play around in the original comment, but rather that the people not on law review openly mock the people on law review.  Which doesn't seem like the awesome collegial atmosphere you describe.

Ahh... I'm sorry that's the impression I originally gave. Did not mean to confuse... I'm really not so vindictive that I would bash on the cool kids because they wouldn't let me into their clerkship-aiming clique.  If one of my friends grows up to be a Senator someday, I don't want her thinking of me as that bully that used to stick gum in her hair.  In 10 years we'll hopefully all be back here making fun of the current law students for subjecting themselves to such an intense three years anyways.

Edit.  I won't make fun of you Wally, as long as you don't make fun of me for going to VanderbilTTT.
Title: Re: Does the second semester suck any less?
Post by: observationalist on January 07, 2009, 11:14:24 AM
Edit.  I won't make fun of you Wally, as long as you don't make fun of me for going to VanderbilTTT.

wally's too nice to make fun of you guys, but if you fail to take down GULC and explode the T14 nonsense once and for all you will incur my wrath the same way UT and UCLA have.

Gah, I really don't think that's going to happen... USNews is a beast.  I guess I will start preparing to mock your wrath if you make good on your word.
Title: Re: Does the second semester suck any less?
Post by: goaliechica on January 07, 2009, 11:15:11 AM
Also, I am (ironically) cranky right now because I am working on law review stuff.

::mocks::


Title: Re: Does the second semester suck any less?
Post by: YeShallBeGods on January 07, 2009, 02:15:10 PM
IMHO, if you go the law review managing board and clerkship path...

Fall 3L >> Fall 2L >> Spring 1L > Fall 1L > Spring 2L >>>>>>>>>> Spring 3L


(from most busy/stressful to least)

Title: Re: Does the second semester suck any less?
Post by: observationalist on January 07, 2009, 10:33:54 PM
Edit.  I won't make fun of you Wally, as long as you don't make fun of me for going to VanderbilTTT.

wally's too nice to make fun of you guys, but if you fail to take down GULC and explode the T14 nonsense once and for all you will incur my wrath the same way UT and UCLA have.

Gah, I really don't think that's going to happen... USNews is a beast.  I guess I will start preparing to mock your wrath if you make good on your word.

have you seen my wrath?

it's not pretty.

and hey, what with the PT being taken into account, you never know.

Also, I am (ironically) cranky right now because I am working on law review stuff.

::mocks::

::joshbrolins::

wait, what?

Admittedly I don't know much about your wrath, but I think knowing the secret to world peace exists in Tennessee will help me survive a wrath attack: http://dreamdogsart.typepad.com/art/2009/01/elephant-and-dog-best-friends-forever-video.html

Title: Re: Does the second semester suck any less?
Post by: goaliechica on January 07, 2009, 10:53:42 PM

Admittedly I don't know much about your wrath, but I think knowing the secret to world peace exists in Tennessee will help me survive a wrath attack: http://dreamdogsart.typepad.com/art/2009/01/elephant-and-dog-best-friends-forever-video.html


Awwwwww
Title: Re: Does the second semester suck any less?
Post by: robelguapo on January 09, 2009, 06:50:14 PM
I think 2d Semester will be worse...same work load, plus 2d Semester of LR&W is supposed to suck more (if that's possible)...plus we have moot court....plus an additional appellate brief.

Sweet.

:)