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Title: Best Outlining Software For Windows
Post by: DontQuestionMe on July 29, 2008, 12:23:00 AM
Any suggestions?
Title: Re: Best Outlining Software For Windows
Post by: TimMitchell on July 29, 2008, 01:44:10 AM
I heard one note is great, but I have no experience with it
Title: Re: Best Outlining Software For Windows
Post by: just dot on July 29, 2008, 06:36:12 AM
I'm using One Note for notes and Word for my outline.  At least that's my plan.  I'm a 1L.
Title: Re: Best Outlining Software For Windows
Post by: nealric on July 29, 2008, 10:09:21 AM
Open office.

It's free. It works. You can turn off auto formatting features easily and individually.
Title: Re: Best Outlining Software For Windows
Post by: Slice57 on July 29, 2008, 11:26:42 AM
I used OneNote for both my outlining and class notes. After about 10 minutes on there I liked it better then Word. But, I know plenty of people that used Word just fine. You'll just have to try each one out!
Title: Re: Best Outlining Software For Windows
Post by: Matthies on July 29, 2008, 11:51:20 AM
Open office.

It's free. It works. You can turn off auto formatting features easily and individually.

What is open office, I have heard of it, but don't know what it is. Also I used OneNote so I'll add to the bandwagon
Title: Re: Best Outlining Software For Windows
Post by: Matthies on July 29, 2008, 12:01:11 PM
Open office.

It's free. It works. You can turn off auto formatting features easily and individually.

What is open office, I have heard of it, but don't know what it is. Also I used OneNote so I'll add to the bandwagon

Open Office (http://www.openoffice.org/)

I don't trust anything that is free and open, I'm a republican
Title: Re: Best Outlining Software For Windows
Post by: Matthies on July 29, 2008, 12:15:21 PM
I like my software like my politics: proprietary, bloated, slow to change and buggy.
Title: Re: Best Outlining Software For Windows
Post by: nealric on July 29, 2008, 12:54:20 PM
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What is open office, I have heard of it, but don't know what it is. Also I used OneNote so I'll add to the bandwagon

Open source (free) alternative to MS office. Sun Microsystems runs the project.

www.openoffice.org

I have not used MS office in 2 years (except on computers that are not mine) 
Title: Re: Best Outlining Software For Windows
Post by: jsb221 on July 29, 2008, 02:39:51 PM
OneNote is nice because you don't have to be hassled by the automatic formatting. Plus it is nice to be able to arrange things in one "notebook" with different sections, and it is really easy to search multiple notebooks if you are looking for something in a hurry. I got it about a week before I started my 1L year and that was plenty of time for me to figure out how to use it and get accustomed to it. I'm still discovering great things about it.
Title: Re: Best Outlining Software For Windows
Post by: DontQuestionMe on July 29, 2008, 04:04:14 PM
How did a question about outlining software turn into a political pun thread?  :o
Title: Re: Best Outlining Software For Windows
Post by: Speedzie on July 30, 2008, 11:18:18 AM
How did a question about outlining software turn into a political pun thread?  :o


Oh, you can always get an idea of a person's politics by looking at their computer/software.  How many Republicans have you met that willingly use Apples/Macs?  I'll tell you: None.  That's over-priced hippy counter-culture *stuff*.  How many Republicans use (formerly IBM) Thinkpads?  I propose: Most.
Title: Re: Best Outlining Software For Windows
Post by: nealric on July 30, 2008, 12:29:28 PM
I know an arch conservative that uses a mac.

Do I get a prize?
Title: Re: Best Outlining Software For Windows
Post by: Matthies on July 30, 2008, 01:15:25 PM
I know an arch conservative that uses a mac.

Do I get a prize?

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Title: Re: Best Outlining Software For Windows
Post by: Ender Wiggin on July 30, 2008, 02:08:54 PM
Absolutely use OneNote.  It's great for taking school notes.  Easy to organize, easy to move stuff around, VERY easy to search, and the automatic outline features are much better than Word. 
Title: Re: Best Outlining Software For Windows
Post by: nealric on July 30, 2008, 03:34:05 PM
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Title: Re: Best Outlining Software For Windows
Post by: Pacavelli on July 31, 2008, 07:52:56 AM
I just ordered a new laptop with oneNote software on it but I won't receive it until like a day before school.  Is there a place where I can dl a trial version of it, to get familiar with it before school starts?
Title: Re: Best Outlining Software For Windows
Post by: amultitudeofdrops on July 31, 2008, 04:41:44 PM
Err...how about Google Docs?  That was my plan.  That way all of my notes are backed up and the like. 
Title: Re: Best Outlining Software For Windows
Post by: Ender Wiggin on July 31, 2008, 04:48:06 PM
I just ordered a new laptop with oneNote software on it but I won't receive it until like a day before school.  Is there a place where I can dl a trial version of it, to get familiar with it before school starts?

Yeah--you can download a trial. 

Here's the link (though I can't believe I'm doing research for someone who's going to law school soon! ;))

http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/onenote/default.aspx
Title: Re: Best Outlining Software For Windows
Post by: Ender Wiggin on July 31, 2008, 04:49:15 PM
Err...how about Google Docs?  That was my plan.  That way all of my notes are backed up and the like. 

I'd say that's a bad plan.  Back up on a flash drive, a portable hard drive, web storage, or all three if you'd like.  I have heard nothing but bad things from people who were relying on Google Docs.
Title: Re: Best Outlining Software For Windows
Post by: likeitmatters on July 31, 2008, 07:14:57 PM
does onenote come with the office package, or do you have to buy it separately? 
Title: Re: Best Outlining Software For Windows
Post by: Speedzie on July 31, 2008, 07:51:09 PM
does onenote come with the office package, or do you have to buy it separately? 

It depends on the office package.   Google "Office 2007."
Title: Re: Best Outlining Software For Windows
Post by: Speedzie on July 31, 2008, 07:56:09 PM
Nevermind, I forgot about the ultimate steal...
http://www.theultimatesteal.com/

Last year Microsoft did this promotion, selling downloadable versions of Office Ultimate for like $90 or something.  I forget exactly how much, but it was rediculously cheap.  If I remember correctly, all you needed was a valid .edu email address to do it.

As a matter of fact, i think this deserves it's own thread.
Title: Re: Best Outlining Software For Windows
Post by: JeNeSaisLaw on August 01, 2008, 01:22:01 AM
Though I like Google Docs, it hardly qualifies as a good backup plan (unless it is a 2nd backup) because Google does not back up their servers (or so I hear). Same goes for gmail.
Title: Re: Best Outlining Software For Windows
Post by: Speedzie on August 01, 2008, 11:52:35 AM
Though I like Google Docs, it hardly qualifies as a good backup plan (unless it is a 2nd backup) because Google does not back up their servers (or so I hear). Same goes for gmail.
I don't know much about Google docs, but I have to second the opinion that a good backup plan is essential. 

A short anecdote:
When I was in grad school, I did all my work on my laptop and did a weekly backup, typically on fridays.  I figured that would be safe.  Well, along came one thursday or friday, just before my normal backup, when I had a geniuine hard drive failure.  Not a crash, not "windows wouldn't boot" or something like that, the hard drive actually failed and refused to read.  I had LOST an entire week of work!  Let's just say this was pretty devestating, and playing catchup really hurt me that semester.  Since then, I've been a backup nut. 

I now do the following:  1)  Leave an SD card in my laptop's card slot, with daily (nightly) scheduled backups - my laptop is set to wake up just to do the backup and then go back to sleep mode.  2)  I also have a backup harddrive with a complete image of my current hard drive, so that if I encounter an actual failure I just insert the new drive and my laptop boots normally as of the last image date.  Once in school, my plan is to update the image weekly.  This can be done in software automatically.  To simplify the process, I use my thinkpad's "ultra bay slim" hard drive enclosure, so that instead of a cd/dvd drive I have the second hard drive in my laptop most of the time - this way I don't have to remember to plug in the drive once a week, or be annoyed with slow network backups.
(http://c1.neweggimages.com/NeweggImage/ProductImageCompressAll200/34-995-068-01.jpg)
I might sound crazy - but that ONE TIME that my computer died on me in grad school made my life much more stressful than it was already.  Class rank and grades being what they are in law school, this won't be happening to me again.

Title: Re: Best Outlining Software For Windows
Post by: Ender Wiggin on August 01, 2008, 12:21:46 PM
Though I like Google Docs, it hardly qualifies as a good backup plan (unless it is a 2nd backup) because Google does not back up their servers (or so I hear). Same goes for gmail.
I don't know much about Google docs, but I have to second the opinion that a good backup plan is essential. 

A short anecdote:
When I was in grad school, I did all my work on my laptop and did a weekly backup, typically on fridays.  I figured that would be safe.  Well, along came one thursday or friday, just before my normal backup, when I had a geniuine hard drive failure.  Not a crash, not "windows wouldn't boot" or something like that, the hard drive actually failed and refused to read.  I had LOST an entire week of work!  Let's just say this was pretty devestating, and playing catchup really hurt me that semester.  Since then, I've been a backup nut. 

I now do the following:  1)  Leave an SD card in my laptop's card slot, with daily (nightly) scheduled backups - my laptop is set to wake up just to do the backup and then go back to sleep mode.  2)  I also have a backup harddrive with a complete image of my current hard drive, so that if I encounter an actual failure I just insert the new drive and my laptop boots normally as of the last image date.  Once in school, my plan is to update the image weekly.  This can be done in software automatically.  To simplify the process, I use my thinkpad's "ultra bay slim" hard drive enclosure, so that instead of a cd/dvd drive I have the second hard drive in my laptop most of the time - this way I don't have to remember to plug in the drive once a week, or be annoyed with slow network backups.
(http://c1.neweggimages.com/NeweggImage/ProductImageCompressAll200/34-995-068-01.jpg)
I might sound crazy - but that ONE TIME that my computer died on me in grad school made my life much more stressful than it was already.  Class rank and grades being what they are in law school, this won't be happening to me again.



I don't think that's crazy at all--I think NOT backing up like that is crazy.  I do a daily to my flash drive, a weekly to a portable hard drive, and put really important stuff in my web storage as well. 
Title: Re: Best Outlining Software For Windows
Post by: amultitudeofdrops on August 02, 2008, 08:47:22 AM
Err...how about Google Docs?  That was my plan.  That way all of my notes are backed up and the like. 

I'd say that's a bad plan.  Back up on a flash drive, a portable hard drive, web storage, or all three if you'd like.  I have heard nothing but bad things from people who were relying on Google Docs.

Would you mind elaborating on what kinds of bad things could come from using Google Docs?  It's like using Word but without all of the stupid formatting that gets in your way when trying to outline.  Plus, they just added a new feature that allows  offline access, so you even if you happened to be somewhere you couldn't get an internet signal, your files would be backed up on your hard drive. 
Title: Re: Best Outlining Software For Windows
Post by: Ender Wiggin on August 02, 2008, 08:51:23 AM
Err...how about Google Docs?  That was my plan.  That way all of my notes are backed up and the like. 

I'd say that's a bad plan.  Back up on a flash drive, a portable hard drive, web storage, or all three if you'd like.  I have heard nothing but bad things from people who were relying on Google Docs.

Would you mind elaborating on what kinds of bad things could come from using Google Docs?  It's like using Word but without all of the stupid formatting that gets in your way when trying to outline.  Plus, they just added a new feature that allows  offline access, so you even if you happened to be somewhere you couldn't get an internet signal, your files would be backed up on your hard drive. 

Why do people always refer to it as "stupid formatting"?  If you are doing an outline, why wouldn't you want it formated as an outline?
Title: Re: Best Outlining Software For Windows
Post by: nealric on August 02, 2008, 11:46:31 AM
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Why do people always refer to it as "stupid formatting"?  If you are doing an outline, why wouldn't you want it formated as an outline?

Because you often end up fighting the software to get the outline done like you want it. Far easier just to manually tab.
Title: Re: Best Outlining Software For Windows
Post by: Speedzie on August 02, 2008, 07:31:52 PM
Would you mind elaborating on what kinds of bad things could come from using Google Docs?  It's like using Word but without all of the stupid formatting that gets in your way when trying to outline.  Plus, they just added a new feature that allows  offline access, so you even if you happened to be somewhere you couldn't get an internet signal, your files would be backed up on your hard drive. 

It's a potential problem to rely on google docs for backup purposes.  It is much safer in the long run to have local backups of your valuable info.
Title: Re: Best Outlining Software For Windows
Post by: Ender Wiggin on August 02, 2008, 07:39:27 PM
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Why do people always refer to it as "stupid formatting"?  If you are doing an outline, why wouldn't you want it formated as an outline?

Because you often end up fighting the software to get the outline done like you want it. Far easier just to manually tab.

Why would you have to fight it?  You can set it up to do exactly what you want it to do.  I think it's more likely that people don't learn how to use it, and then wonder why it isn't doing what they want.
Title: Re: Best Outlining Software For Windows
Post by: Speedzie on August 02, 2008, 08:11:10 PM
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Why do people always refer to it as "stupid formatting"?  If you are doing an outline, why wouldn't you want it formated as an outline?

Because you often end up fighting the software to get the outline done like you want it. Far easier just to manually tab.

Why would you have to fight it?  You can set it up to do exactly what you want it to do.  I think it's more likely that people don't learn how to use it, and then wonder why it isn't doing what they want.

Cosigned.  Word is a very powerful piece of software, and most people do not seem to learn how to use it.
Title: Re: Best Outlining Software For Windows
Post by: JeNeSaisLaw on August 03, 2008, 10:41:52 AM
But but the computer should read my mind!
Title: Re: Best Outlining Software For Windows
Post by: Ender Wiggin on August 03, 2008, 10:53:29 AM
But but the computer should read my mind!

Word.

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Title: Re: Best Outlining Software For Windows
Post by: Terrible Ivan on August 03, 2008, 03:31:40 PM

Used OneNote my first semester and Word my second. Hands-down, Word wins. To expand on what the poster above said, if you know how to use Word, it is indeed quite powerful (as any piece of sophisticated software). Word allows me to make custom toolbars, develop the outline styles that work for me, assign them all keyboard shortcuts, write macros, create auto-insert options to speed up my notetaking, etc.
Title: Re: Best Outlining Software For Windows
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