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Title: 16 year old in at yale (woody allen's son)
Post by: lookwhois on July 22, 2005, 07:11:08 PM
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Title: Re: 16 year old in at yale (woody allen's son)
Post by: lookwhois on July 22, 2005, 07:12:05 PM
Yep, he's been accepted to Yale Law School, which he'll attend in the fall, and which he hopes to use to further human rights policies. "I can't say I'll be completely selfless the way my mother has, giving up her career to raise 14 children, but I can say that I'll devote my life to trying to make a difference for the better."

Title: Re: 16 year old in at yale (woody allen's son)
Post by: dave303 on July 22, 2005, 07:13:54 PM
good for him, he gave up an almost certain multi million dollar film career to do something he believes in

though of course he could graduate and decide that he wants to go hollywood anyways
Title: Re: 16 year old in at yale (woody allen's son)
Post by: HippieLawChick on July 23, 2005, 11:01:33 AM
I wonder what his LSAT score was? ;)
Title: Re: 16 year old in at yale (woody allen's son)
Post by: dal79 on July 23, 2005, 12:58:54 PM
maybe he's on LSN  ;D
Title: Re: 16 year old in at yale (woody allen's son)
Post by: wrmusgro on July 23, 2005, 01:34:29 PM
I remember this kid (who was later identified as Seamus) posted on princeton review's law school discussion website last year. Because I'm a huge loser now, and have nothing better to do with my time I went and searched the Princeton Review website and copied and pasted his original post below.  Sounds from the way this kid talks that he's a real gem at parties..... Enjoy.


"I got into Yale Law School, which (needless to say) doesn't exactly seem like a bad option. Georgetown was the first school I got into, and my previous top choice.


I graduated from Bard College with a solid GPA (well, 3.93). I didn't have a perfect LSAT score, but I did have a number of unconventional assets which might have helped. I did some human rights work in Africa, which required traveling and living in war-torn regions of Angola and Nigeria. I hold a position as a UNICEF ambassador, and have written and spoken in a couple of high profile venues - articles published in the New York Times Upfront Magazine, speech given at the UN, interviewed on CNN, etc. - about Angola's current oil revenue distribution debacle. Also, I just turned sixteen (I started college at 11). There seemed, initially, to be a great deal of skepticism at Yale regarding this last point, so I was surprised to hear that they've admitted me.

This should lend hope to anyone else with an unconventional record. If you can distinguish yourself in other ways, the numbers are of secondary concern.

Here's my question: Yale Law wants to hear back from me by May 3rd. I'm leaning towards accepting the offer from Yale, but I haven't heard from Harvard yet. Is it worth waiting it out for Harvard's decision, or shall I stick with Yale?

edit:
Since my initial post I've visited Yale. Seeing it lends more credence than I can say to that pro-Yale leaning. It's small, intimate, and seems to be home to a fantastic student body and faculty."


Title: Re: 16 year old in at yale (woody allen's son)
Post by: A. on July 23, 2005, 02:09:12 PM
Can you link to the thread?

I remember this kid (who was later identified as Seamus) posted on princeton review's law school discussion website last year. Because I'm a huge loser now, and have nothing better to do with my time I went and searched the Princeton Review website and copied and pasted his original post below.  Sounds from the way this kid talks that he's a real gem at parties..... Enjoy.


"I got into Yale Law School, which (needless to say) doesn't exactly seem like a bad option. Georgetown was the first school I got into, and my previous top choice.


I graduated from Bard College with a solid GPA (well, 3.93). I didn't have a perfect LSAT score, but I did have a number of unconventional assets which might have helped. I did some human rights work in Africa, which required traveling and living in war-torn regions of Angola and Nigeria. I hold a position as a UNICEF ambassador, and have written and spoken in a couple of high profile venues - articles published in the New York Times Upfront Magazine, speech given at the UN, interviewed on CNN, etc. - about Angola's current oil revenue distribution debacle. Also, I just turned sixteen (I started college at 11). There seemed, initially, to be a great deal of skepticism at Yale regarding this last point, so I was surprised to hear that they've admitted me.

This should lend hope to anyone else with an unconventional record. If you can distinguish yourself in other ways, the numbers are of secondary concern.

Here's my question: Yale Law wants to hear back from me by May 3rd. I'm leaning towards accepting the offer from Yale, but I haven't heard from Harvard yet. Is it worth waiting it out for Harvard's decision, or shall I stick with Yale?

edit:
Since my initial post I've visited Yale. Seeing it lends more credence than I can say to that pro-Yale leaning. It's small, intimate, and seems to be home to a fantastic student body and faculty."



Title: Re: 16 year old in at yale (woody allen's son)
Post by: HippieLawChick on July 23, 2005, 02:52:03 PM
Just goes to show how nice it is when your parents are rich and famous. 
Title: Re: 16 year old in at yale (woody allen's son)
Post by: wrmusgro on July 23, 2005, 03:30:57 PM
Here you go. The link is below. It also includes all of the posts about it.


http://discuss.princetonreview.com/tm.asp?m=6986959&mpage=1&key=seamus&#6987111
Title: Re: 16 year old in at yale (woody allen's son)
Post by: A. on July 23, 2005, 05:09:30 PM
Very interesting.  Thanks.
Title: Re: 16 year old in at yale (woody allen's son)
Post by: BAFF213 on July 23, 2005, 05:45:45 PM
that's crazy
Title: Re: 16 year old in at yale (woody allen's son)
Post by: Served on July 24, 2005, 05:22:14 PM
What a bunch of bull S---.  There are plenty of applicants with a better GPA from better schools who are interested in human rights work, and have done plenty of it (perhaps they weren't well off enough to do it outside their own poverty stricken neighborhoods in the States) and have better than modest LSAT scores who got dinged at Yale, and many other schools.

I love the aristocracy that hides behind the ruse of the meritocracy in the elite echelons of society.  May be I can buy my kids into Yale one day.
Title: Re: 16 year old in at yale (woody allen's son)
Post by: mxpocc on July 24, 2005, 05:35:55 PM
What a bunch of bull S---.  There are plenty of applicants with a better GPA from better schools who are interested in human rights work, and have done plenty of it (perhaps they weren't well off enough to do it outside their own poverty stricken neighborhoods in the States) and have better than modest LSAT scores who got dinged at Yale, and many other schools.

I love the aristocracy that hides behind the ruse of the meritocracy in the elite echelons of society.  May be I can buy my kids into Yale one day.

don't bet on it. it's all smoke-and-mirrors conspiracy, dawg.
Title: Re: 16 year old in at yale (woody allen's son)
Post by: SH on July 24, 2005, 07:17:46 PM
What a bunch of bull S---.  There are plenty of applicants with a better GPA from better schools who are interested in human rights work, and have done plenty of it (perhaps they weren't well off enough to do it outside their own poverty stricken neighborhoods in the States) and have better than modest LSAT scores who got dinged at Yale, and many other schools.

I love the aristocracy that hides behind the ruse of the meritocracy in the elite echelons of society.  May be I can buy my kids into Yale one day.

don't bet on it. it's all smoke-and-mirrors conspiracy, dawg.

no she can do it, just make sure your husband marries your adoptive daughter, and make SURE he is famous, and do NOT forget you have to be famous as well...so start stalking would-be (will-be) star pedophiles/criminals (like Britney Spears' husband). (for future representation in court ofcourse)
Title: Re: 16 year old in at yale (woody allen's son)
Post by: ryanjm on July 25, 2005, 12:21:55 PM
I thought he got in because of his parents as well, but look at his stats you tards. 3.93? That's good. And he's 16. Yes, he's had experiences most of you haven't had because of his parents and their money, but the fact remains that he has the stats to get in, and the extras to boost him over the top. It's not an elitist conspiracy that gave him a 3.93 and a good lsat.
Title: Re: 16 year old in at yale (woody allen's son)
Post by: BoscoBreaux on July 25, 2005, 01:13:01 PM
What a bunch of bull S---.  There are plenty of applicants with a better GPA from better schools who are interested in human rights work, and have done plenty of it (perhaps they weren't well off enough to do it outside their own poverty stricken neighborhoods in the States) and have better than modest LSAT scores who got dinged at Yale, and many other schools.

I love the aristocracy that hides behind the ruse of the meritocracy in the elite echelons of society.  May be I can buy my kids into Yale one day.
Yes, but what is the probability that those other kids' parents will donate $5 million to the school? Who said there was a meritocracy in this country? Performance is often the result of privilege.
Title: Re: 16 year old in at yale (woody allen's son)
Post by: Amanda H. on July 25, 2005, 01:49:06 PM
I thought he got in because of his parents as well, but look at his stats you tards. 3.93? That's good. And he's 16. Yes, he's had experiences most of you haven't had because of his parents and their money, but the fact remains that he has the stats to get in, and the extras to boost him over the top. It's not an elitist conspiracy that gave him a 3.93 and a good lsat.


First off, we don't know what his LSAT was.  We don't know if it sucked, or if it was great.  So we really can't assume anything.

That said, it does seem funny that celebrity kids tend to get into top schools more easily. 
Title: Re: 16 year old in at yale (woody allen's son)
Post by: Amanda H. on July 25, 2005, 01:52:01 PM
What a bunch of bull S---.  There are plenty of applicants with a better GPA from better schools who are interested in human rights work, and have done plenty of it (perhaps they weren't well off enough to do it outside their own poverty stricken neighborhoods in the States) and have better than modest LSAT scores who got dinged at Yale, and many other schools.

I love the aristocracy that hides behind the ruse of the meritocracy in the elite echelons of society.  May be I can buy my kids into Yale one day.
Yes, but what is the probability that those other kids' parents will donate $5 million to the school? Who said there was a meritocracy in this country? Performance is often the result of privilege.

Actually, privilege is generally the result of performance. Keep in mind that most wealthy families today didn't come to this country with anything -- someone had to accomplish something along the way.  Woody Allen himself certainly wasn't born wealthy.

For what it's worth, this country is certainly far more meritocratic than any other.
Title: Re: 16 year old in at yale (woody allen's son)
Post by: Served on July 29, 2005, 09:36:38 AM
no she can do it, just make sure your husband marries your adoptive daughter, and make SURE he is famous, and do NOT forget you have to be famous as well...so start stalking would-be (will-be) star pedophiles/criminals (like Britney Spears' husband). (for future representation in court ofcourse)
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I find your comment amazingly fascinating!  What part of my comment led you to believe I was female?  I guess that's a bit rhetorical because I already know.  More people could buy their kids into school if they simply planned for it.  I would think that for the average big law attorney, $1Mil saved over 18 years shouldn't be that difficult, especially if they made partner for a few of those years.  In some cultures many parents think about these things even before they have kids, and plan their own jobs accordingly.
Title: Re: 16 year old in at yale (woody allen's son)
Post by: burghblast on July 29, 2005, 10:17:21 AM
maybe he's on LSN  ;D

Maybe's he's on LSD.  Maybe he's reading this thread right now.
Title: Re: 16 year old in at yale (woody allen's son)
Post by: BoscoBreaux on July 29, 2005, 11:42:36 AM
What a bunch of bull S---.  There are plenty of applicants with a better GPA from better schools who are interested in human rights work, and have done plenty of it (perhaps they weren't well off enough to do it outside their own poverty stricken neighborhoods in the States) and have better than modest LSAT scores who got dinged at Yale, and many other schools.

I love the aristocracy that hides behind the ruse of the meritocracy in the elite echelons of society.  May be I can buy my kids into Yale one day.
Yes, but what is the probability that those other kids' parents will donate $5 million to the school? Who said there was a meritocracy in this country? Performance is often the result of privilege.

Actually, privilege is generally the result of performance. Keep in mind that most wealthy families today didn't come to this country with anything -- someone had to accomplish something along the way.  Woody Allen himself certainly wasn't born wealthy.

For what it's worth, this country is certainly far more meritocratic than any other.
Of course, the argument that privilege is the result of being endowed with glorious attributes or by just working hard has been made for centuries to justify privilege. If it were accurate perhaps it would be persuasive. It ignores the difference between being born on third base, and having hit a triple.

Two kids, one rich one poor.
The former goes to the best private school in the country, the latter a lead paint infested ghetto school.
The former’s parents hire private tutors, the latter “asks mom.”
The former builds up his resume by taking a non-paying 2 year internship working for a Senator (whose campaign dad contributed to) while Mom pays for a nice apartment in Georgetown, the latter has to work at McDonalds just to pay for an encyclopedia.
The former takes Kaplan and hires a private tutor, the latter has to borrow money to buy an ARCO LSAT book.

SURPRISINGLY, the former gets a better LSAT score, has a better GPA, and has a more impressive resume. That rich kid attainted his advantage due to merit? Hardly! It is not surprising that someone who has been given the best of the best will succeed if he is reasonably hard working and intelligent, but he will almost certainly achieve more than if he was not provided with the fruits of privilege. When performance is the result of privilege, merit has a skewed meaning.

That is not to say that one cannot achieve greatness despite starting in squalor. Just ask Bill Clinton or Benjamin Franklin! However, exceptions to the rule do not constitute a counter-rule. And the assertion that most wealthy people and families "didn't come to this country with anything" is inaccurate. The only group of persons who didn't come to this country with anything were slaves, and the last I checked, Black folks haven't exactly set this country afire with its wealth. On a micro and macro level, privilege begets performance, which is then further perpetuated by privilege.
Title: Re: 16 year old in at yale (woody allen's son)
Post by: TheDozer on July 29, 2005, 03:07:58 PM
"The only group of persons who didn't come to this country with anything were slaves" - Did you really write that? If you are going to try to impress us with your argumentative skills at least make sense.
Title: Re: 16 year old in at yale (woody allen's son)
Post by: BAFF213 on July 29, 2005, 10:11:18 PM
This is an interesting argument. I come from a town that is pretty well off, and speaking from experience, I tend to agree with BoscoBreaux -- those who are privileged do have more potential to "achieve greatness." However, there is a counterpoint to this, which is often noted: although those who are privileged have greater potential to achieve greatness, they often do not take advantage of the opportunities that they were born with.

There is evidence that demonstrates this "phenomenon" -- that rich kids often try to live off of their parents and don't "succeed" in life. For example, I believe there were studies showing that the majority of businesses that were handed down by parents to their children ended up going sour. I have witnessed this first hand in my town. Many people I know simply do not do sh_t. They don't care and just try to "live off of their parents," and do not really achieve anything. They appear to have no goals. It's pretty pathetic actually (though it could just be attributed to a difference in values). Also, I guess at least part of this is due to the fact these people are already rich. They basically have nothing to strive for because they're already at the "top of the ladder" (at least in terms of wealth).

So basically, privileged individuals have more potential to achieve, but often do not take advantage of it due to lack of motivation to achieve.


Of course, the argument that privilege is the result of being endowed with glorious attributes or by just working hard has been made for centuries to justify privilege. If it were accurate perhaps it would be persuasive. It ignores the difference between being born on third base, and having hit a triple.

Two kids, one rich one poor.
The former goes to the best private school in the country, the latter a lead paint infested ghetto school.
The former’s parents hire private tutors, the latter “asks mom.”
The former builds up his resume by taking a non-paying 2 year internship working for a Senator (whose campaign dad contributed to) while Mom pays for a nice apartment in Georgetown, the latter has to work at McDonalds just to pay for an encyclopedia.
The former takes Kaplan and hires a private tutor, the latter has to borrow money to buy an ARCO LSAT book.

SURPRISINGLY, the former gets a better LSAT score, has a better GPA, and has a more impressive resume. That rich kid attainted his advantage due to merit? Hardly! It is not surprising that someone who has been given the best of the best will succeed if he is reasonably hard working and intelligent, but he will almost certainly achieve more than if he was not provided with the fruits of privilege. When performance is the result of privilege, merit has a skewed meaning.

That is not to say that one cannot achieve greatness despite starting in squalor. Just ask Bill Clinton or Benjamin Franklin! However, exceptions to the rule do not constitute a counter-rule. And the assertion that most wealthy people and families "didn't come to this country with anything" is inaccurate. The only group of persons who didn't come to this country with anything were slaves, and the last I checked, Black folks haven't exactly set this country afire with its wealth. On a micro and macro level, privilege begets performance, which is then further perpetuated by privilege.
Title: Re: 16 year old in at yale (woody allen's son)
Post by: burghblast on July 30, 2005, 05:39:34 PM
I hope law schools are as liberal when it comes to admitting 16 year old chicks.  I was planning on trolling NU's undergrad campus for freshmen, but this could work out even better.
Title: Re: 16 year old in at yale (woody allen's son)
Post by: HippieLawChick on August 01, 2005, 11:35:25 AM
AmandaH: Your post about privilege being the result of "performance" sounded like the biggest pile of elitist crap of ever had the misfortune to read here. 
Title: Re: 16 year old in at yale (woody allen's son)
Post by: RockyMarciano on August 01, 2005, 12:29:21 PM
The kid could be a genius but imagine the life he must live. I would not trade my experiences for his. I can only imagine this kid being ultra-smart but actually very alone inside. I do not know why but that comes to mind. The thing that does suck is that not many ppl have the opportunity to do the stuff he has done such as traveling to Africa. Oh yea, I remember, when I read the link I automatically thought of Bobby Fisher. That guy is weird as hell now but was one of the brightest ppl in the world.
Title: Re: 16 year old in at yale (woody allen's son)
Post by: btideroll on August 01, 2005, 12:44:20 PM
this thread scares me

too weird.


http://cacheofreason.blogspot.com/
Title: Re: 16 year old in at yale (woody allen's son)
Post by: BoscoBreaux on August 01, 2005, 02:30:58 PM
"The only group of persons who didn't come to this country with anything were slaves" - Did you really write that? If you are going to try to impress us with your argumentative skills at least make sense.

I'd agree that my statement was inartfully phrased, but the import of it can be inferred rather easily given the context of the discussion. Further, I counted 3 grammatical/stylistic errors in your last sentence, but I moved past making such criticisms when I was graduated from high school many years ago. Moreover, I rarely make arguments concerning motivations in lieu of actually addressing the merits of statements.
Title: Re: 16 year old in at yale (woody allen's son)
Post by: Served on August 02, 2005, 08:07:19 AM
What is it with you people and grammar/spelling?  What is the perverse impulse to point out the errors in people's posts?  Do you perceive that intelligent people have great grammar/spelling?  I hate to inform you but this is simply not so.  Besides, this is an online forum.  I don't think most take the time to proof their ill-thought-out posts.  I would much rather read a logical post laden with errors than one full of bull that is grammatically flawless.
Title: Re: 16 year old in at yale (woody allen's son)
Post by: TheDozer on August 12, 2005, 11:47:08 PM
This one is great too. "Black folks haven't exactly set this country afire with its wealth". Awesome
Title: Re: 16 year old in at yale (woody allen's son)
Post by: Served on August 13, 2005, 01:22:19 AM
This one is great too. "Black folks haven't exactly set this country afire with its wealth". Awesome

This thread died.  And who are you quoting?