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Title: Laptop Comparison (Dell 600m v 700m)
Post by: WSPanicKC on June 18, 2005, 10:57:34 AM
For those knowledgable about Dell Notebooks, trying to break down the "real" differences/advantages between these two machines. 

Never owned a laptop, and wondering about the difficulty of a 14" display vs a 12" display.  Plus, keyboard typing difficulties...

Thanks for any help.

www.dell.com
Title: Re: Laptop Comparison (Dell 600m v 700m)
Post by: sarendipity on June 19, 2005, 04:58:21 PM
I think you'd like the 600m better...2 inches might not seem like alot, but in viewable area it sort of is. You are right that the keyboard is smaller...I think it is nice for travel but if you will be using it as your primary computer you will be happier with the 600m. If you are worried about bulk, the 600m is still a tad under 5 lbs which is pretty fantastic. Be sure to check out slickdeals.net. They are really good about finding coupon codes for Dell. Please don't order without being able to get a coupon. It will save you alot of money!
Title: Re: Laptop Comparison (Dell 600m v 700m)
Post by: inthesun on June 19, 2005, 07:08:54 PM
700m has a widescreen monitor and a great display.  The widescreen makes the screen look much bigger than it sounds.  I love mine.  I know some people with the 600ms and they complain about it's weight.  A few pounds might not seem like much, but I am in a summer law prep program, and even my light laptop seems heavy at times. 
Title: Re: Laptop Comparison (Dell 600m v 700m)
Post by: sarendipity on June 20, 2005, 05:35:01 AM
Ive used the 700m but opted to buy a 600m for personal use. I would recommend going to best buy or somewhere like that and look at similar models...get a feel for the keyboard and screen sizes. I wouldn't want a small screen with the amount of time I will be staring at mine working on assignments and reading cases. It's a personal preference. I don't think 5 lbs is very heavy...it hasn't been long since most were about 11 lbs or more. I don't really think you can go wrong with Dell so long as you are sure to get the best warranties you can.
Title: Re: Laptop Comparison (Dell 600m v 700m)
Post by: Ambs on June 20, 2005, 01:17:58 PM
Someone in my office has the 700m and says it is great, with the exception of the small keyboard and screen. I am hoping to get the 600m myself.
Title: Re: Laptop Comparison (Dell 600m v 700m)
Post by: burghblast on June 21, 2005, 07:57:10 AM
Get an Inspiron 6000.  The 15.4" display is the perfect compromise between viewable area and portability.  But if you're REALLY set on saving yourself 1-2 pounds, then get the one with the 14" display.  12" is entirely out of the question.
Title: Re: Laptop Comparison (Dell 600m v 700m)
Post by: desmo on June 21, 2005, 09:27:09 AM
I've had my 600m for about a week now.  The keyboard is larger than I expected and very comfortable so far.  The 14" screen is more than enough IMO.  I went with MS wireless USB mouse cause I hate touchpads for long term use.  The only thing I wish is that it had legs in back so you could set it at an angle.  It's taken me several  hours so far to clean off all the junk Dell loads on the drive.  The  wireless works great with the home network, haven't tried it at the school yet.

Still considering MS OneNote or Storelaw's Outliner for note taking over just plain Word.  OneNote seems more geared towards tablet PC.  Would appreciate any comments on this.
Title: Re: Laptop Comparison (Dell 600m v 700m)
Post by: copey2001 on June 21, 2005, 09:31:40 AM
dell x1 > 700m
Title: Re: Laptop Comparison (Dell 600m v 700m)
Post by: Ambs on June 21, 2005, 01:59:23 PM
So dell has those instant rebates right now that claim to end on the 23rd of June? So should I be rushing to get mine to get the rebate, or will there be another deal after the 23rd. I'm still debating btwn the 6000 and 600m or maybe splurging on an IBM. Or maybe even something else. I'm really only going Dell b/c of reputation and price.
Title: Re: Laptop Comparison (Dell 600m v 700m)
Post by: burghblast on June 21, 2005, 02:10:00 PM
So dell has those instant rebates right now that claim to end on the 23rd of June? So should I be rushing to get mine to get the rebate, or will there be another deal after the 23rd. I'm still debating btwn the 6000 and 600m or maybe splurging on an IBM. Or maybe even something else. I'm really only going Dell b/c of reputation and price.

No, you should NEVER rush to buy something from Dell (Or any computer manufacturer) because of an online "coupon" or rebate.  It's like buying a car - These "discounts" are simply marketing gimmicks to entice you into buying sooner rather than later.  These discounts are ALWAYS available, in one form or another. Think about it: If you go to buy something, whether it be a computer or car, do you honestly think they're going to tell you, "Oh sorry, it's going to cost you $500 more now! You should have bought yesterday!"  Of course not.  At any given point in time, you are ALWAYS getting the best, cheapest deal!  That's how being a salesperson works.  You never tell somebody that the best time to buy is anytime other than right now.  The truth is waiting a few weeks to make an informed decision isn't going to make the price go up.  But you may make a better choice about what you really want in the end.
Title: Re: Laptop Comparison (Dell 600m v 700m)
Post by: Ambs on June 21, 2005, 02:14:13 PM
Thanks - that's pretty much what I figured. I'd definitely like to do some more research before I make my final decision. Burgh - you said you liked the 6000, can you tell us what the advantages are with that one?
Title: Re: Laptop Comparison (Dell 600m v 700m)
Post by: burghblast on June 21, 2005, 02:23:36 PM
Thanks - that's pretty much what I figured. I'd definitely like to do some more research before I make my final decision. Burgh - you said you liked the 6000, can you tell us what the advantages are with that one?

Well I'm a computer nerd so I wanted a dedicated graphics card.  Most laptops, including all of the small ultraportables, simply have integrated graphics on the motherboard.  This is fine for Micorsoft Word and e-mail, but not good for games or my computer geek ego.  The Inspiron 6000 was one of the few Dell lines that let me select a dedicated graphics card.  I also like the 15.4" screen size - It's the perfect blend between viewable area and portability.  I will say it's a tad heavier than I would like, but it's certainly fine for carrying around to class.  I'd recommend buying a backpack laptop bag to carry it in. 
Title: Re: Laptop Comparison (Dell 600m v 700m)
Post by: Ambs on June 21, 2005, 02:30:03 PM
Thanks - I think that means I'd be fine with the 600m.
Title: Re: Laptop Comparison (Dell 600m v 700m)
Post by: burghblast on June 21, 2005, 02:33:30 PM
Thanks - I think that means I'd be fine with the 600m.

If that's the one with the 12" display I'd be wary.  I wouldn't recommend anything with less than a 14" screen.
Title: Re: Laptop Comparison (Dell 600m v 700m)
Post by: WSPanicKC on June 21, 2005, 02:34:43 PM
dell x1 > 700m

What's the "x1"?

Thanks for all the replies by the way...

I'm definitely leaning towards the 700m right now.  Just seems like it's speed, memory capacity, firewire port, weight, and the optic drive outweigh other similar comps.  Like the 600m, and even that IBM x40 or whatever it is.  I could easily be wrong, but this is just what I've gathered from researching on the 'net, i.e. C-Net and like sites.

STILL, I'm worried about the small keyboard and 12' screen.  Anyone have a 12" screen and flat-out NOT like it?  I'm not worried about gaming, just the basics.

Good luck to everyone in your pursuits.

Scott
Title: Re: Laptop Comparison (Dell 600m v 700m)
Post by: WSPanicKC on June 21, 2005, 02:37:15 PM
Thanks - I think that means I'd be fine with the 600m.

If that's the one with the 12" display I'd be wary.  I wouldn't recommend anything with less than a 14" screen.

600m has the 14"

700m has the 12"

I think we just posted at the same time.  I noticed you were into gaming and what-not...do you think the 12 v 14 is significant for someone not interested in gaming.  My main concern is loss of quality on the adult sites...gonna be a long way from home for school. 

Kidding...
Title: Re: Laptop Comparison (Dell 600m v 700m)
Post by: lookwhois on June 21, 2005, 03:18:30 PM
700m only 4.3 pounds
Title: Re: Laptop Comparison (Dell 600m v 700m)
Post by: desmo on June 21, 2005, 03:49:54 PM
Burgh, The 600m has the dedicated ATI Radeon 900 AGP card (64MB max)  In addition, it has the intergrated Centrino setup w/ the Pentium M.  The M is an option on the 6000, but you can bump the 6000 up to 128MB on the graphics card.
Title: Re: Laptop Comparison (Dell 600m v 700m)
Post by: Melinda on June 21, 2005, 10:40:08 PM
So dell has those instant rebates right now that claim to end on the 23rd of June? So should I be rushing to get mine to get the rebate, or will there be another deal after the 23rd.

Hey ambs, I had a similar dilemma when I bought my IBM T43.  I called the salesguy, and he was able to send me a qoute with the reduced rate that was valid for 30 days.  It gave  me a few days to sit on it, and I had time to research a few more specs I added to the package.  I know with IBM it was better for me to call the salesguy than buy online.  He gave me a few extra discounts, and even told me I don't need to buy certain things I was almost suckered into.  He also informed me of some specials I didn't know about.
Title: Re: Laptop Comparison (Dell 600m v 700m)
Post by: bruin on June 22, 2005, 01:32:12 AM
So dell has those instant rebates right now that claim to end on the 23rd of June? So should I be rushing to get mine to get the rebate, or will there be another deal after the 23rd.

Hey ambs, I had a similar dilemma when I bought my IBM T43.  I called the salesguy, and he was able to send me a qoute with the reduced rate that was valid for 30 days.  It gave  me a few days to sit on it, and I had time to research a few more specs I added to the package.  I know with IBM it was better for me to call the salesguy than buy online.  He gave me a few extra discounts, and even told me I don't need to buy certain things I was almost suckered into.  He also informed me of some specials I didn't know about.

Hey Melinda, I'm planning on getting a T43 in the next couple of weeks, wondering how you like yours so far? And how were you able to get the reduced price from sales? Thanks..
Title: Re: Laptop Comparison (Dell 600m v 700m)
Post by: bruin on June 22, 2005, 01:39:58 AM
dell x1 > 700m

What's the "x1"?

STILL, I'm worried about the small keyboard and 12' screen.  Anyone have a 12" screen and flat-out NOT like it?  I'm not worried about gaming, just the basics.

Good luck to everyone in your pursuits.

Scott

X1 is the Dell Latitude X1. It is another 12" widescreen, part of the Latitude business line. It is much thinner and lighter than the 700m, and sturdier from reports I have seen. However, it does not have an internal optical drive, as with the IBM X40. This may or may not be a big deal, as you are not likely to need a cd/dvd drive in class, and there is a significant weight savings.

I have a 12" Apple iBook, used it for over 2 years. I have had no problems with the screen size. However, I wouldn't use one for Law School, without a larger external monitor at home. With the time you will spend using your laptop, having a larger screen available is a good thing.
Title: Re: Laptop Comparison (Dell 600m v 700m)
Post by: yowser on June 22, 2005, 05:17:48 AM
Just a note for the 600 v 700 debate - I currently work on a 600m which I really like (note - get the upgraded screen with the native 1400x1050 resolution), however I was hoping to get a widescreen for LS as I think the screen real estate is much more usable and I really want a smaller laptop.  I was really interested in the 700m for school, however I just received one at work, and after working on it for a few hours, I would say if you think you're worried about the keyboard size, don't get it.  It is a much smaller keyboard than the 600m.  The screen is great and plenty big, but I will opt for a 13.3 or 14.1 widescreen with a normal size keyboard.

one more thing - the extended battery is big and annoying because it sticks out over 1" across the length of the back of the PC.

Any other questions let me know - I am looking at both of them sitting on my desk right now and would be happy to answer any questions, take pictures, etc.

Unfortunately, Dell's choices of 12" widescreen and 15.4" widescreen is not enough, and I'll be looking for a manufacturer with a 13.3 or 14.1 widescreen - right now it's between sony and compaq (i thought i'd never say that...)

 
Title: Re: Laptop Comparison (Dell 600m v 700m)
Post by: link0 on June 22, 2005, 07:24:40 AM
The newer 700m is studier than the aging 600m design, but still far below IBM standards. If you take care of your notebook very well, you can save a lot of money going with a cheap dell over the IBM.

Dells make crappy computers, but at least the 600m and 700m are less tha 1/2 the price of an IBM with the same features.

The only reason I got a 700m is because I got it new 1.6ghz, 512mb, 40gig, DVD/CDR, extended battery, all together for $750. I also only use it as a secondary computer for taking notes in class. Main computer is a desktop.

Desmo: "Burgh, The 600m has the dedicated ATI Radeon 900 AGP card (64MB max)  In addition, it has the intergrated Centrino setup w/ the Pentium M.  The M is an option on the 6000, but you can bump the 6000 up to 128MB on the graphics card."

You do know that the graphics card memory size doesn't mean crap right? Unless you have the Geforce 6800go in your dell 6000, it won't be able to play any games anyway.
Title: Re: Laptop Comparison (Dell 600m v 700m)
Post by: desmo on June 22, 2005, 09:27:43 AM
Just noting the differences.  If you're worried about playing games on your laptop while in law school that's an entirely different issue.
Title: Re: Laptop Comparison (Dell 600m v 700m)
Post by: Melinda on June 22, 2005, 10:36:35 AM

Hey Melinda, I'm planning on getting a T43 in the next couple of weeks, wondering how you like yours so far? And how were you able to get the reduced price from sales? Thanks..

Bruin, I just purchased my T43 so now I have to wait 2 weeks, which is a bummer because I am so anxious to see it.  I got a 10% educational discount on everything.  I did A LOT of research and decided it was worth the extra money for me.  Let me know if you have any more specific questions.  the "Best Laptop for Law School" thread has a lot of info about thinkpads.  You should probably buy yours soon if you want any modifications it may take a few weeks.  Also, I know you are in S.F., and I know the Berkeley computer store sells them online, so I assume they have a few demos in the store.
Title: Re: Laptop Comparison (Dell 600m v 700m)
Post by: Ambs on June 22, 2005, 11:38:21 AM
Melinda - how did you get the discount? Through the website? I'm still considering splurging on an IBM.
Title: Re: Laptop Comparison (Dell 600m v 700m)
Post by: bruin on June 22, 2005, 01:25:18 PM
You can get the education discount through their website, www.thinkpad.com, or over the phone. I tried the T43 and the X40 the last time I was in LA, at the UCLA computer store. They also had a dell latitude and the differnece between the thinkpads and the Dell was striking. The X40 was a bit too small for me, but the T-series seems just the right size.

I am probably going to buy mine directly through UVa; they have a good deal on a couple of specific models, nearly $400 below the education discount price, actually cheaper than the Dell offered directly through UVa's law school.

Unless you are using one of the big coupons from Dell, there really isn't that great a price difference between the two; you can get a T43 for under $1200 w/education discount.
Title: Re: Laptop Comparison (Dell 600m v 700m)
Post by: Ambs on June 22, 2005, 01:40:25 PM
Thanks Bruin, I'm definitely considering it. Can you tell me what some of the striking differences were btwn the Dells and IBMs?
Title: Re: Laptop Comparison (Dell 600m v 700m)
Post by: Melinda on June 22, 2005, 01:47:53 PM
Thanks Bruin, I'm definitely considering it. Can you tell me what some of the striking differences were btwn the Dells and IBMs?

One of the big complaints I have heard about Dell is about the keyboards.  The T43 has an excellent keyboard that is full size.  I am already a very fast typer, and did not want to retrain myself for laptop typing.  I have also heard the Dell keyboards seem flimsy.  Some ppl. have posted about problems with Dells, and IMBs have a much better reliabilty ranking.  IBMS are known to be sturdier, more reliable, and have higher performance.  I am not here to bash Dell at all.  I know some ppl. are really happy with them.  The Thinkpad just seems like a better machine, and worth the price for me. I got the discount via phone, and I would suggest calling b/c the guy who helped me was very informative, and not a pushy sales guy at all.
Title: Re: Laptop Comparison (Dell 600m v 700m)
Post by: bruin on June 22, 2005, 01:51:56 PM
The big difference for me is the quality. The IBM's are much sturdier than the Dell's I have seen. The keyboards are said to be the best available, which after trying one out, I have to agree. For the 3 years that we will be relying on tehse computers, I want something that I think willl stand up to the heavy use they will go through. And I have heard good things about thinkpad tech support, if something goes wrong.

The size of the T43 is good; 1" thick and under 5 lb for the 14" model, though I guess this is similar to the Dell 600m and 610.
Title: Re: Laptop Comparison (Dell 600m v 700m)
Post by: link0 on June 22, 2005, 02:27:27 PM
Get the T42 if you can. It is almost identical to the T43, but costs less and has a longer battery life. The T43 just has a faster cpu which consumes more power. IBMs are definitely much more sturdy than any Dell.
Title: Re: Laptop Comparison (Dell 600m v 700m)
Post by: Ambs on June 22, 2005, 04:26:51 PM
Considering how I bang my other portable elctronics things around (IPod, cell phone, etc.) and the fact that my work keyboard is full of food, I think I need a sturdy laptop! I will look further into the IBMs to see if I can find one that isn't too much more than the Dells.
Title: Re: Laptop Comparison (Dell 600m v 700m)
Post by: bruin on June 22, 2005, 04:30:34 PM
I've priced out a few different configuraions of IBM's if you have any questions. Base seems to be around $1150, going up to $1400+ with the 3 year "idiotproof" warranty, but you can really get high in price with these things.
Title: Re: Laptop Comparison (Dell 600m v 700m)
Post by: bruin on June 22, 2005, 04:32:44 PM
That's for the T42 or T43. There is another model that is a little cheaper, but heavier and not quite as good. Better Q than Dell, but the weight saving favors the T series.
Title: Re: Laptop Comparison (Dell 600m v 700m)
Post by: Ambs on June 22, 2005, 05:13:01 PM
I think I've pretty much narrowed it down to the Dell 600m or the IBM T42. Dell is just so cheap... hard to pass up.
Title: Re: Laptop Comparison (Dell 600m v 700m)
Post by: copey2001 on June 22, 2005, 06:36:50 PM
The dell x1 is the smallest of the dell ultra portables.  its has a 12.1" display, but no integrataed optical drive.  the reason that i like it is it is less than one inch thin...and weighs in at 2.5 pounds.  the optical drive (or lack thereof) doesnt bother me because i dont plan on needing one in class.  futhermore, i have a memory key that will work for everything i need.  i bought an x1 with an external cd-rw/dvd-rw, 512mb, 60g hd, 1.1ghz for about 1600.  again, size was the biggest issue for me so it was worth the money.  i'm not lying when i say this thing is about the size of a GQ magazine...i cant imagine how nice it is going to be to carry it back and forth from class.
Title: Re: Laptop Comparison (Dell 600m v 700m)
Post by: bruin on June 22, 2005, 08:11:03 PM
The one downside to the X1 is that you can't use the big Dell coupons for them, so you have to pay full price.
Title: Re: Laptop Comparison (Dell 600m v 700m)
Post by: copey2001 on June 23, 2005, 06:13:17 AM
The one downside to the X1 is that you can't use the big Dell coupons for them, so you have to pay full price.

my school has a deal with dell for that computer...i was able to get almost 800 off...
Title: Re: Laptop Comparison (Dell 600m v 700m)
Post by: WSPanicKC on June 23, 2005, 07:29:22 AM
Dell is just so cheap... hard to pass up.

That's where I'm at...
Title: Re: Laptop Comparison (Dell 600m v 700m)
Post by: jbs on June 23, 2005, 07:40:09 AM
I think I've pretty much narrowed it down to the Dell 600m or the IBM T42. Dell is just so cheap... hard to pass up.
just keep in mind Dell's awful customer service (including tech support). 
Title: Re: Laptop Comparison (Dell 600m v 700m)
Post by: glascow1 on June 23, 2005, 07:46:51 AM
I was deciding between compaq, hp, dell and I got the 700M this week.  

At first I was concerned out how small the keyboard was - but I have small hands and fingers.  I got used to the keyboard real quick though after an hour on it - the problem is with the switching up between keyboards at work and at home - obviously keyboard at work is normal sized so I have to retrain my hands on the 700 - that wont be a problem when I start school.

I saw and used the 600 and was freaked out by how flimsy it seemed - I pressed a key on it and the whole lap top jumped up and the keys seemed flimsy too.  

I am happy with my 700M and I even think the portion of the 8 cell battery that sticks out looks like it belongs on the lap top - it makes it look more normal sized.  The extra battery time is great.  The screen is spacious for 12.1 and the visuals are clean and crisp and ultra - brite (too brite - I lower the brightness on it now).

I love its weight and size - it feels compact not flimsy and I can't wait to slide this baby in and out of my bag while I commute to school.

At the end of the day - a 700M I think is about as small as you can or should go for comfort and functionality.   However - a 13 inch screen and normal sized keyboard on a sub 5 pound note book with optical drive would have been PERFECT - but I paid 1400 bucks for my lap top which includes : XP professional, 60GB, 1.8 Gz processor, 512MB, CD-DVD rw burner, 64 MB key, Word suite, pdf maker, 8 -cell battery, and 3 year warranty, 8.625 TAX and shipping and I am VERY HAPPY.  

HP, Compaq with similar configuration and repair service would have set me back 1800 - 2200 and they would have been well over 5 pounds easily.
Title: Re: Laptop Comparison (Dell 600m v 700m)
Post by: link0 on June 23, 2005, 09:31:29 AM
glasscow1, u paid too much for that. I heard you can call dell customer service get the price that you would have gotten if you got in on the 750 off 1499 deal. I have the same thing with 1.6ghz (cpu speed means nothing since laptop hard drives can't come close to keeping up) and minus the extra warranty for $750.


http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16834150010&CMP=OTC-pr1c3watch&ATT=Notebooks

The BEST notebook computers are not IBM, but Panasonic. They have a 3.4lb notebook with a 14.1' screen AND an internal optical drive. It's basically an IBM X-series + internal drive without the extra weight. Best of all worlds. Too bad it also costs $2500. =[
Title: Re: Laptop Comparison (Dell 600m v 700m)
Post by: glascow1 on June 23, 2005, 05:32:02 PM
no I did the math - I actually ended up saving an extra hundred dollars than if I had used a 750 off 1499 computer although I think you are right about the 1.6 vs. 1.8 that I shouldnt have paid for.....

the 750 coupon is off the regular price of 700 M with add ons..... so you could configure a 700 upt to about 1500 and get off 750 and only pay 750......but my configuration and add ons with 3 year service plan came up to over $2100....I used a employer coupon for 33% discounted off reg price and then an additional 12 % off of the reduced price....i still think I got a good deal. but thanks for the suggestion.
Title: Re: Laptop Comparison (Dell 600m v 700m)
Post by: Ambs on June 24, 2005, 10:58:05 AM
I just bought the 600m, with the optimized home/office package with XP professional. I know Dells aren't everyone's faves around here, but I'm excited. It has a ton of stuff I wouldn have never gotten with the IBM for such a low price (60GB, 512mb, 1.8 GHz processor, DVD burner, etc) and came out to about $1400 with tax. I know there are cheaper ones, but I really liked this pacakge, including the 3-year warranty with accident protection (I'm a bit accident prone), and I'm anxious to get my new baby and get used to is. I haven't actually seen a 600m, so I hope its not too "flimsy" like gloascow1 said. I did see a 700m and found it to be too small, considering this will me my one and only computer for at least 3 years. It's supposed to weigh about 5 or so pounds which seems like a good weight for something more substantial (14 inch screen). Don't trash it too much b/c this was a big purchase for me!
Title: Re: Laptop Comparison (Dell 600m v 700m)
Post by: eileen2004 on June 24, 2005, 11:12:33 AM
no I did the math - I actually ended up saving an extra hundred dollars than if I had used a 750 off 1499 computer although I think you are right about the 1.6 vs. 1.8 that I shouldnt have paid for.....

the 750 coupon is off the regular price of 700 M with add ons..... so you could configure a 700 upt to about 1500 and get off 750 and only pay 750......but my configuration and add ons with 3 year service plan came up to over $2100....I used a employer coupon for 33% discounted off reg price and then an additional 12 % off of the reduced price....i still think I got a good deal. but thanks for the suggestion.

I've been watching the prices on the 700M for months and just bought one using the same deal you did - 33% with an additional 12% employer discount.  It was better than the $750 coupons for me as well.
Title: Re: Laptop Comparison (Dell 600m v 700m)
Post by: Tony Brooks1 on June 26, 2005, 03:56:15 PM
You can get the education discount through their website, www.thinkpad.com, or over the phone. I tried the T43 and the X40 the last time I was in LA, at the UCLA computer store. They also had a dell latitude and the differnece between the thinkpads and the Dell was striking. The X40 was a bit too small for me, but the T-series seems just the right size.

I am probably going to buy mine directly through UVa; they have a good deal on a couple of specific models, nearly $400 below the education discount price, actually cheaper than the Dell offered directly through UVa's law school.

Unless you are using one of the big coupons from Dell, there really isn't that great a price difference between the two; you can get a T43 for under $1200 w/education discount.

hi, i am a huge fan of ibm's but when i was on the website and set up the model that I wanted, it was close to $1800.  where can i get one of these educational discounts????  can i get them even if im not going to uva?

any other ideas on how i can get an ibm for a cheaper price>?

thanks
Title: Re: Laptop Comparison (Dell 600m v 700m)
Post by: Ambs on June 27, 2005, 09:09:34 AM
BTW - I canceled my order for the 600m over the weekend when I realized it doesn't have a firewire port. I ended up buying another Dell, the Inspiron 6000, which is over 6 pounds, ouch, but has everything I need.
Title: Re: Laptop Comparison (Dell 600m v 700m)
Post by: bruin on June 27, 2005, 10:10:36 AM
You can get the education discount through their website, www.thinkpad.com, or over the phone. I tried the T43 and the X40 the last time I was in LA, at the UCLA computer store. They also had a dell latitude and the differnece between the thinkpads and the Dell was striking. The X40 was a bit too small for me, but the T-series seems just the right size.

I am probably going to buy mine directly through UVa; they have a good deal on a couple of specific models, nearly $400 below the education discount price, actually cheaper than the Dell offered directly through UVa's law school.

Unless you are using one of the big coupons from Dell, there really isn't that great a price difference between the two; you can get a T43 for under $1200 w/education discount.

hi, i am a huge fan of ibm's but when i was on the website and set up the model that I wanted, it was close to $1800.  where can i get one of these educational discounts????  can i get them even if im not going to uva?

any other ideas on how i can get an ibm for a cheaper price>?

thanks

IBM's education discount is open to any student, it runs 10% off all their computers (5% off X41 tablet). The education discount website is: http://www.pc.ibm.com/us/education/index.html. Click on "students and alumni" under personal purchases.

Im my case, UVa has a good deal w/IBM for a couple of specific models, but I can still buy anything off the education site at the student price.
Title: Re: Laptop Comparison (Dell 600m v 700m)
Post by: burghblast on June 27, 2005, 10:21:39 AM
BTW - I canceled my order for the 600m over the weekend when I realized it doesn't have a firewire port. I ended up buying another Dell, the Inspiron 6000, which is over 6 pounds, ouch, but has everything I need.

My Inspiron 6000 is actually about 9 pounds with the battery.  Just wanted to give you a warning :)
Title: Re: Laptop Comparison (Dell 600m v 700m)
Post by: Ambs on June 27, 2005, 10:47:07 AM
Oh crap, that's a lot. You got the extended battery? That's going to suck a little carrying all that weight around... but still its nice to have a full-size laptop since it is my primary computer. Doesn't dell have a return policy in the first month? Maybe if its too much I'll return it.
Title: Re: Laptop Comparison (Dell 600m v 700m)
Post by: burghblast on June 27, 2005, 01:27:20 PM
Oh crap, that's a lot. You got the extended battery? That's going to suck a little carrying all that weight around... but still its nice to have a full-size laptop since it is my primary computer. Doesn't dell have a return policy in the first month? Maybe if its too much I'll return it.

It doesn't really seem that bad to me.  I carried it around for a week when I was apartment hunting in Chicago earlier this month.  It was certainly noticable by the end of the day, but at no point did I feel like it was too much weight to carry.  I'm not worried at all about carrying it back and forth between home and school.  Yes, I have the extended battery ("9-cell" I believe). 
Title: Re: Laptop Comparison (Dell 600m v 700m)
Post by: Ambs on June 27, 2005, 02:04:01 PM
I got the 9-cell as well. Considering I'll mostly just be carrying it on the bus and btwn class and the library, I think I can handle it. Still, would be nice to have a small and light one for class, IF I had a larger one to go home to. I just think 12 inches (the 700m) is too small for a primary computer - perfect for travel, though.
Title: Re: Laptop Comparison (Dell 600m v 700m)
Post by: burghblast on June 27, 2005, 02:30:34 PM
I got the 9-cell as well. Considering I'll mostly just be carrying it on the bus and btwn class and the library, I think I can handle it. Still, would be nice to have a small and light one for class, IF I had a larger one to go home to. I just think 12 inches (the 700m) is too small for a primary computer - perfect for travel, though.

I really don't think you'll mind the Inspiron 6000 at all.  I have travelled with it extensively in the past 4 months.  I used it on the plane, in my car, hotel rooms, as my desktop replacement at home, in the NU library, etc.  I think it will work fine in class, and I have no regrets whatsoever about purchasing it.  It really is the perfect size for me. 

I would definitely recommend that you carry it in a backpack though.
Title: Re: Laptop Comparison (Dell 600m v 700m)
Post by: Tony Brooks1 on June 27, 2005, 02:34:14 PM
does anyone knkow much about the dell latitude?

it has the pointer tracker thingy on the keyboard which is an important feature for me but i havent heard much mention of this dell model

anyone have any thoughts on it?
Title: Re: Laptop Comparison (Dell 600m v 700m)
Post by: bruin on June 27, 2005, 03:15:55 PM
The Latitude has been discussed on other threads here. Basically, it was designed as a business machine, so all the parts are standardized and interchangible. Said to be stronger than equivelant Inspirons, more secure due to the needs of business users.
Title: Re: Laptop Comparison (Dell 600m v 700m)
Post by: Tony Brooks1 on June 27, 2005, 04:53:42 PM
so how come more peeps arent buying it?
Title: Re: Laptop Comparison (Dell 600m v 700m)
Post by: bruin on June 27, 2005, 05:14:27 PM
Costs more than the Inspirons, and you can't use coupons for them.

For the cost of an Inspiron, you can nearly get the comparable Thinkpad.
Title: Re: Laptop Comparison (Dell 600m v 700m)
Post by: slacker on June 27, 2005, 07:58:29 PM
I have a 600m, bought in April of last year. It's already been back to Dell 1x to have bits of guts replaced, mostly having to do with the internal network card going out. I have a wireless card, so it's not an issue, but I'd say for the most part, the internal wireless is again shot. (Today it appears like it might be working, but that's the exception, not the rule). I also have problems with the buttons like power-on, volume control, and mute. I think there's just a general issue with the things that connect at the rear of the machine.

I'd consider the 700m. I know people who have them. It appears more sturdy and, after a year, smaller is better.

While I can't really afford to be without right now due to summer school, I'm trying to figure out a time that I can again send this back to Dell to get (another) guts replacement.
Title: Re: Laptop Comparison (Dell 600m v 700m)
Post by: cannotpick on June 28, 2005, 08:13:15 AM
I have a 600m, bought in April of last year. It's already been back to Dell 1x to have bits of guts replaced, mostly having to do with the internal network card going out. I have a wireless card, so it's not an issue, but I'd say for the most part, the internal wireless is again shot. (Today it appears like it might be working, but that's the exception, not the rule). I also have problems with the buttons like power-on, volume control, and mute. I think there's just a general issue with the things that connect at the rear of the machine.

I'd consider the 700m. I know people who have them. It appears more sturdy and, after a year, smaller is better.

While I can't really afford to be without right now due to summer school, I'm trying to figure out a time that I can again send this back to Dell to get (another) guts replacement.

I'm glad that I read this. I was all but sold on the 600m. Well, I don't have a lot of $$ to spend, but there's a lot I need from my computer. That's why I feel like despite the notable flaws of the Dell corporation, I might have to get one anyway. I was basically looking for a 14"+ display, 1.5 GHz processor, 512MB- 1Gig RAM, 40 Gigs+, CD/DVD RW, 3 or 4 year idiot proof warranty, and 3 years of virus protection. I need something that will last me through all 3 years of law school, but am really trying to pay no more than $1400 (& I want to get a couple extras: carrying case, wireless mouse, etc). & it needs to be portable enough to carrying to class & whatnot (but, keep in mind I'm a 220 lb guy, so it doesnt have to be the weight of a pen for it to be portable).

So, if there are complaints about the 600m, but I don't want the miniature 700m, then what should I go with? From what I've seen, the 6000 looks considerably more expensive. Also, I've never owned a laptop before. The 9lb 6000 sounds like it might be a lot (even for me) with all of my books & stuff that I will be carrying around. I was also looking at the 1200 in a magazine. I haven't seen anyone mention it. The upgraded version w/ the 15" screen looks affordable & pretty hooked up. But, I'm not much of a computer expert, so I don't know the difference between types of wireless cards or other features. I'm at a crossroads. PLEASE HELP!
Title: Re: Laptop Comparison (Dell 600m v 700m)
Post by: link0 on June 28, 2005, 08:35:14 AM
IBM T42 is the solid all-round machine.
Title: Re: Laptop Comparison (Dell 600m v 700m)
Post by: burghblast on June 28, 2005, 08:47:38 AM
I'm glad that I read this. I was all but sold on the 600m. Well, I don't have a lot of $$ to spend, but there's a lot I need from my computer. That's why I feel like despite the notable flaws of the Dell corporation, I might have to get one anyway. I was basically looking for a 14"+ display, 1.5 GHz processor, 512MB- 1Gig RAM, 40 Gigs+, CD/DVD RW, 3 or 4 year idiot proof warranty, and 3 years of virus protection. I need something that will last me through all 3 years of law school, but am really trying to pay no more than $1400 (& I want to get a couple extras: carrying case, wireless mouse, etc). & it needs to be portable enough to carrying to class & whatnot (but, keep in mind I'm a 220 lb guy, so it doesnt have to be the weight of a pen for it to be portable).

So, if there are complaints about the 600m, but I don't want the miniature 700m, then what should I go with? From what I've seen, the 6000 looks considerably more expensive. Also, I've never owned a laptop before. The 9lb 6000 sounds like it might be a lot (even for me) with all of my books & stuff that I will be carrying around. I was also looking at the 1200 in a magazine. I haven't seen anyone mention it. The upgraded version w/ the 15" screen looks affordable & pretty hooked up. But, I'm not much of a computer expert, so I don't know the difference between types of wireless cards or other features. I'm at a crossroads. PLEASE HELP!

I think you should go with the Inspiron 6000.  That 9 pound weight includes the battery.  All of the advertised weights you see for other laptops do NOT include the battery, which adds an extra 1.5-3.0 pounds.  So for comparison purposes, you should consider that the Inspiron weighs 7.0-7.5 pounds.  Also, you can get everything you need and MORE in an Inspiron 6000 for less than $1000 now. 
Title: Re: Laptop Comparison (Dell 600m v 700m)
Post by: Ambs on June 28, 2005, 09:02:20 AM
My Inspiron 6000 was about $1300 and I got the 512 RAM, 60Gb, mouse, extended battery, extended warranty, Windows XP Professional, etc. You could totally do a scaled back version of mine for around $1000.
Title: Re: Laptop Comparison (Dell 600m v 700m)
Post by: cannotpick on June 28, 2005, 09:20:04 AM
My Inspiron 6000 was about $1300 and I got the 512 RAM, 60Gb, mouse, extended battery, extended warranty, Windows XP Professional, etc. You could totally do a scaled back version of mine for around $1000.

Did you receive it yet? How's the weight?
Title: Re: Laptop Comparison (Dell 600m v 700m)
Post by: Ambs on June 28, 2005, 09:26:35 AM
Not yet... just ordered it last Friday. Should be here next week. I'm anxious to play with it!
Title: Re: Laptop Comparison (Dell 600m v 700m)
Post by: cannotpick on June 28, 2005, 12:06:01 PM
What about the Dell 1200? Anyone have that or is it a POS?
Title: Re: Laptop Comparison (Dell 600m v 700m)
Post by: bruin on June 28, 2005, 08:31:45 PM
I happened to find a Dell kiosk tonight, took a look some of the inspirons.

The 6000 seems to be a well put together machine. A little big for my preferences, but for the cost, not bad at all.

The 700m is an intriguing computer. It is a little on the small side, the keyboard is slightly smaller than normal. But it really grows on you. And it feels sturdy, probably due in part to it's thickness, which really isn't too bad. Since my IBM purchase has been put on hold a few weeks, if Dell releases another $750 off coupon soon, I could be tempted.
*If you are getting the 700m, go for the extended battery. It really doesn't add much to the size, I barely noticed it on the display model.

The 600m however, feels like the biggest POS laptop I have ever seen. Seriously, an Avertec feels like an IBM Thinkpad in comparison. Echoing Glascow's post, the 600m's case is extremely flimsy. The LCD distorts severely when opening/closing the screen, the palmrest flexes when typing. It felt like one drop and it would break apart.
Title: Re: Laptop Comparison (Dell 600m v 700m)
Post by: yowser on June 29, 2005, 08:03:41 AM
I'm glad that I read this. I was all but sold on the 600m. Well, I don't have a lot of $$ to spend, but there's a lot I need from my computer. That's why I feel like despite the notable flaws of the Dell corporation, I might have to get one anyway. I was basically looking for a 14"+ display, 1.5 GHz processor, 512MB- 1Gig RAM, 40 Gigs+, CD/DVD RW, 3 or 4 year idiot proof warranty, and 3 years of virus protection. I need something that will last me through all 3 years of law school, but am really trying to pay no more than $1400 (& I want to get a couple extras: carrying case, wireless mouse, etc). & it needs to be portable enough to carrying to class & whatnot (but, keep in mind I'm a 220 lb guy, so it doesnt have to be the weight of a pen for it to be portable).

So, if there are complaints about the 600m, but I don't want the miniature 700m, then what should I go with? From what I've seen, the 6000 looks considerably more expensive. Also, I've never owned a laptop before. The 9lb 6000 sounds like it might be a lot (even for me) with all of my books & stuff that I will be carrying around. I was also looking at the 1200 in a magazine. I haven't seen anyone mention it. The upgraded version w/ the 15" screen looks affordable & pretty hooked up. But, I'm not much of a computer expert, so I don't know the difference between types of wireless cards or other features. I'm at a crossroads. PLEASE HELP!

I've spoken on this topic before, but I'll reiterate my experience with the 600m over the past year:  It's my work computer, gets lugged home every day, around the office, traveling, etc.  I use it constantly.  I have not had one problem with it since day 1.  It's a great machine, and a good balance of weight and size.  Get the upgraded screen so you can get 1400 x 1050 and you won't ever think you need anything bigger.

Additionally, Dell service has always been awesome for me and my company.  Quick shipping, tech to install parts on-site if necessary, etc.  I've heard stories about every brand that has broken at one time or another, Dell, IBM, Gateway, Compaq, etc. etc.  I have not had experience with their service outside of my business account.

The 600m has a flimsy cover - what people say about the palmrest and screen flex is absolutely true.  It bothered me when I first got it but I'm used to it, and more importantly it's never been a problem for me.  I've bumped, dropped, and set things on top and have had no problems.

That being said, I'd like to get another inspiron for school, but I won't because I'd like a 13 or 14" widescreen.  The 700's keys are very small - you'll get used to it, but it'll be tough to switch back and forth if you have a home PC or need to use a school computer.  Nice screen, great size, crappy extended battery (sticks out the back and makes it the size of a 13 or 14").

Any recent Compaq experience for anyone?  I love their 13" widescreen case - it looks great and is the size I want.  I didn't have good experience with Compaq laptops in the late 90's, and I wonder if they're different.

My $.02.
Title: Re: Laptop Comparison (Dell 600m v 700m)
Post by: slacker on June 29, 2005, 02:59:14 PM
If you're having good luck with your 600m, glad to hear it. I know of a few folks like you, but I also know of others like myself who are not having the same issue.

Dell support did get the thing turned around quickly the last time I sent it in but they were a pain to work with. One group would be telling me that they'd check w/the techs and get back to me w/shipping info, whereas another group would be saying that DHL had been at my place to return the machine and no one was there. (Fortunately for me, the DHL people had the right info, and I was able to get the thing at the depot.) However, my goal with a computer company is to NEVER have to figure out if the service is good or not by never having to use it.

I'd consider getting a Dell 700m. After a year of lugging casebooks/printouts/etc., a few extra pounds and a few extra inches of bulk do make a difference to me.
Title: Re: Laptop Comparison (Dell 600m v 700m)
Post by: yowser on June 30, 2005, 05:23:31 AM
However, my goal with a computer company is to NEVER have to figure out if the service is good or not by never having to use it.

That's a great goal, but a little experience will tell you that whether or not you reach that goal won't be determined by the manufacturer you choose.
Title: Re: Laptop Comparison (Dell 600m v 700m)
Post by: slacker on June 30, 2005, 11:28:03 PM
That's a great goal, but a little experience will tell you that whether or not you reach that goal won't be determined by the manufacturer you choose.
I don't fully agree with this statement. A little experience (which you seem to be implying I don't have -- interesting for someone who doesn't know me at all) with a few different vendors helps one to understand that there are differences between products from different vendors, and between product lines from the same vendors. If I were to do this over again, I'd most likely have done things differently, based on my little experience.
Title: Re: Laptop Comparison (Dell 600m v 700m)
Post by: yowser on July 01, 2005, 09:02:33 AM
I don't fully agree with this statement. A little experience (which you seem to be implying I don't have -- interesting for someone who doesn't know me at all) with a few different vendors helps one to understand that there are differences between products from different vendors, and between product lines from the same vendors. If I were to do this over again, I'd most likely have done things differently, based on my little experience.

Didn't mean to offend you so badly, or make any assumptions about your PC purchasing and management experience.  The point I wanted to make was that at the level that a college student will be purchasing laptops (1, maybe 2 during LS), I would caution against thinking that the likelihood of you having hardware problems with the machine is related to which brand of laptop you buy, especially if you are basing that decision on anecdotal evidence from individuals on a discussion board.  Hearing of individual's experiences is helpful, however take it for what it's worth.