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Title: Bottom Half of Class-Job Opportunities?
Post by: tortfeasor111 on January 24, 2007, 06:07:24 PM
So after one semester, I'm in the bottom half of my class :(.  Though I don't intend to stay down there, I just wanted to know what would my job opportunities would be if my situation did not improve.  I go to a pretty high T2 in the NYC area.  And I know big firms are definitely out of the question.
Title: Re: Bottom Half of Class-Job Opportunities?
Post by: johns259 on January 24, 2007, 09:45:20 PM
Big firms were probably out the question for your 1L summer anyway. Just try and get a legal job of any kind, paid or unpaid, for this summer. Take a paying job in addition to it if you have to. Just get some substantive legal work and a writing sample out of this summer, and you'll be all set for next summer. 
Title: Re: Bottom Half of Class-Job Opportunities?
Post by: tortfeasor111 on January 24, 2007, 10:15:36 PM
Big firms were probably out the question for your 1L summer anyway. Just try and get a legal job of any kind, paid or unpaid, for this summer. Take a paying job in addition to it if you have to. Just get some substantive legal work and a writing sample out of this summer, and you'll be all set for next summer. 

Do you think I'll be able to get a judicial clerkship with this rank?
Title: Re: Bottom Half of Class-Job Opportunities?
Post by: GA-fan on January 25, 2007, 05:36:57 AM
no- but you might be able to get an externship.
Title: Re: Bottom Half of Class-Job Opportunities?
Post by: tortfeasor111 on January 25, 2007, 06:08:55 AM
Really?  I have a list of judges from career services that includes around a 1000 judges in the NY/NJ area.  My rank isn't even going to be on my resume.  You're saying there's no chance a judge will give me a clerkship based on two grades?   Career services said I should have no problem getting a clerkship.  How come you think this isn't true.  I'm not trying to be combative, I was just wondering why you think I won't get a chance.  Also what does the bottom half of the class do for internships?? 
Title: Re: Bottom Half of Class-Job Opportunities?
Post by: roygbiv on January 25, 2007, 06:39:55 AM
I think there is some mixing up of terms. Generally speaking:

Clerk = Works directly for the judge briefing her on upcoming matters, etc. They are generally full-time law school grads.

Extern = Works in the judges office, usually for the clerk, assisting in research and writing drafts, etc. They are generally students working for free to get some experience.

I would say your chances of getting an externship (which a lot of 1Ls do in the summer) is good. In terms of a clerkship, someone in that ranking would definitely not be in line for a federal or state clerkship but I've seen lots of folks in that range go and clerk in municipal court but the pay is generally poverty-level.

Really?  I have a list of judges from career services that includes around a 1000 judges in the NY/NJ area.  My rank isn't even going to be on my resume.  You're saying there's no chance a judge will give me a clerkship based on two grades?   Career services said I should have no problem getting a clerkship.  How come you think this isn't true.  I'm not trying to be combative, I was just wondering why you think I won't get a chance.  Also what does the bottom half of the class do for internships?? 
Title: Re: Bottom Half of Class-Job Opportunities?
Post by: LawLady on January 25, 2007, 06:50:31 AM
Externing for a state court judge isn't the end of the world.  My friend did it her 1L summer, and for 2L summer, is working for the biggest firm in the state. 

YOU make your own opportunities. What you do your 1L summer doesn't dictate the rest of your life.  That's only true if you believe it to be.  Now start networking and get your butt moving!

 :)
Title: Re: Bottom Half of Class-Job Opportunities?
Post by: tortfeasor111 on January 25, 2007, 07:21:31 AM
Yes ma'am!  (And I was mixing up terms.   Thanks for the clarification)
Title: Re: Bottom Half of Class-Job Opportunities?
Post by: tenth8sphere on January 25, 2007, 08:41:18 AM
I thought working for ANY judge was a great summer opportunity?
Title: Re: Bottom Half of Class-Job Opportunities?
Post by: Budlaw on January 26, 2007, 07:21:12 AM
Sure, its a great opportunity if you can afford not to get paid. But why the hell would you want to do that?

I thought working for ANY judge was a great summer opportunity?
Title: Re: Bottom Half of Class-Job Opportunities?
Post by: tenth8sphere on January 26, 2007, 02:33:13 PM
Sure, its a great opportunity if you can afford not to get paid. But why the hell would you want to do that?

I thought working for ANY judge was a great summer opportunity?

Working for judges, I thought, was one of the best experiences you could get. To set you up for a clerkship down the road, or even when applying for firms. Who cares if you get paid for 2 months? Am I wrong???
Title: Re: Bottom Half of Class-Job Opportunities?
Post by: Burning Sands on January 26, 2007, 04:26:46 PM
Externing for a judge is a great experience.  Highly recommend it.  If you're concerned about job opportunities in the future with your current grades, your best attack strategy is to, as others have advised, do all things necessary to work on raising your current GPA and in the meanwhile look into working for a judge. I suggest a Federal Judge if you want to go into Biglaw.  A judge will not only increase your research and writing skills, but they will also be able to put you in contact with many other employment opportunities. 

Good luck.
Title: Re: Bottom Half of Class-Job Opportunities?
Post by: correguachin on January 26, 2007, 09:42:48 PM
So after one semester, I'm in the bottom half of my class :(.  Though I don't intend to stay down there, I just wanted to know what would my job opportunities would be if my situation did not improve.  I go to a pretty high T2 in the NYC area.  And I know big firms are definitely out of the question.

I feel for you, man.  I got slammed today getting back a grade.  Serious "stuff".  My last resort is to show up at some big firm in my suit and try to blend in.  Maybe go sit down at someone's desk and hope no one notices.  Hell, maybe they'll just start giving me work to do.  Follow the crowd, you know?  Kramer pulled it off in a Seinfeld episode.  I can just see the moment though when they figure out.  Some attorney is going to call me into his/her office and try to fire me because my memos are crap and I've run up a $800 tab on Lexis.  Hahaha.  At least I'll have the last laugh and something to write on my resume.

Hope that helps.
Title: Re: Bottom Half of Class-Job Opportunities?
Post by: tortfeasor111 on January 26, 2007, 10:34:26 PM
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I feel for you, man.  I got slammed today getting back a grade.  Serious "stuff".  My last resort is to show up at some big firm in my suit and try to blend in.  Maybe go sit down at someone's desk and hope no one notices.  Hell, maybe they'll just start giving me work to do.  Follow the crowd, you know?  Kramer pulled it off in a Seinfeld episode.  I can just see the moment though when they figure out.  Some attorney is going to call me into his/her office and try to fire me because my memos are crap and I've run up a $800 tab on Lexis.  Hahaha.  At least I'll have the last laugh and something to write on my resume.

Hope that helps.

Haha, that was a great episode.  Good luck trying to blend in, I think I might try to do the same.
Title: Re: Bottom Half of Class-Job Opportunities?
Post by: correguachin on January 27, 2007, 07:38:10 AM
they'll probably catch me with my cheap suit..  or they'll just look at me and know that i am some goon bumming for a job.. hahaha, i bet i don't have that biglaw glow..
Title: Re: Bottom Half of Class-Job Opportunities?
Post by: rev on January 27, 2007, 09:45:52 AM
i intend to do this at a large company, and then go to the payroll office and demand to know why my check is late
Title: Re: Bottom Half of Class-Job Opportunities?
Post by: LawLady on January 28, 2007, 09:50:34 PM
That is exactly how I got my last job.  At the end of the interview, I just said, "See you at 9:00 am on Monday".  Surprisingly, he agreed.  When I got there the following Monday, he asked "How much am I paying you?"  I named a figure that was much higher than I thought I deserved, and he agreed to it!  Maybe I will show up at SCOTUS and try the same thing!
Title: Re: Bottom Half of Class-Job Opportunities?
Post by: lipper on January 29, 2007, 05:22:21 AM
Externing for a judge is a great experience.  Highly recommend it.  If you're concerned about job opportunities in the future with your current grades, your best attack strategy is to, as others have advised, do all things necessary to work on raising your current GPA and in the meanwhile look into working for a judge. I suggest a Federal Judge if you want to go into Biglaw.  A judge will not only increase your research and writing skills, but they will also be able to put you in contact with many other employment opportunities. 

Good luck.

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