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Law Students => Current Law Students => Topic started by: 1Question on November 07, 2005, 07:14:44 PM

Title: What percent of students actually graduate in three years?
Post by: 1Question on November 07, 2005, 07:14:44 PM
I took longer than expected in UG, what will make LS different?
Title: Re: What percent of students actually graduate in three years?
Post by: eray01 on November 07, 2005, 08:22:02 PM
You'd better do it in at least five years because that's the ABA mandated limit. Some schools won't let you part time it. Usually, your scholarship and financial aid money is tied to your hours. and besides all that, if you're not in a legitmiate program that is designed to take longer, you're just slacking. I don't know about any other schools, but at mine there's a tendency for people to level some pretty harsh criticism at people who are perceived to be slacking.
Title: Re: What percent of students actually graduate in three years?
Post by: lipper on November 07, 2005, 10:25:40 PM
most schools won't let u grauate in more than 3 years unless u have a very good reason. It's not that if u get through 3 years of classes and don't have enough credits to graduate, its that most law schools, at least most in NY, won't let u get to that point. they make sure u are taking enough classes.
Title: Re: What percent of students actually graduate in three years?
Post by: chlorineblitch on November 08, 2005, 10:15:24 AM
Depends on the school, the tier of the school, to be correct.

At a typical T1 about 95% of the students that are accepted the first year get their J.D.s  T2s generally have a graduation rate of 85 - 90%. Your average T3 is down to 75 - 80% and T4s graduate even less of their entering class, about 65 - 70%.

Incorporate into these stats the bar passage rates and you'll see that many many entering law students do not actually get to practice law, one reason why law schools admit so many students in the first place.
Title: Re: What percent of students actually graduate in three years?
Post by: eray01 on November 08, 2005, 07:35:32 PM
Depends on the school, the tier of the school, to be correct.

At a typical T1 about 95% of the students that are accepted the first year get their J.D.s  T2s generally have a graduation rate of 85 - 90%. Your average T3 is down to 75 - 80% and T4s graduate even less of their entering class, about 65 - 70%.

Incorporate into these stats the bar passage rates and you'll see that many many entering law students do not actually get to practice law, one reason why law schools admit so many students in the first place.

That sounds about right. My school is T4. I asked a 3L how many people were in his class, and he started his sentence with, "We're down to about . . ."
Title: Re: What percent of students actually graduate in three years?
Post by: multiple choice on November 12, 2005, 12:20:59 AM
Depends on the school, the tier of the school, to be correct.

At a typical T1 about 95% of the students that are accepted the first year get their J.D.s  T2s generally have a graduation rate of 85 - 90%. Your average T3 is down to 75 - 80% and T4s graduate even less of their entering class, about 65 - 70%.

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Did hi ask about this sort of information in the first place? :)

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Incorporate into these stats the bar passage rates and you'll see that many many entering law students do not actually get to practice law, one reason why law schools admit so many students in the first place.

As to entering law students who don't get to practice -- you've also to take into account that many graduates of law schools who pass/are able to pass the bar exam may not practice, they become law professors, for instance, go into business or politics, and so on ...
Title: Re: What percent of students actually graduate in three years?
Post by: dft on November 12, 2005, 09:29:09 AM
I go to a T4. The attrition rate for first year students is 8%. The attrition rate for second year students is 5%, and the attrition rate for third year students is 1%.

So that's 14% attrition rate total. Pretty good for a T4. It seems like the only the T4 schools with weaker reputations, like Cooley, have pretty bad attrition rates.

Hmm, let me look up Cooley here in my US News "Ultimate Guide to Law Schools." Let's see -- first year = 27% attrition; second year = 20%; third year = 2%. So pretty much half of the class leaves by the end of the three years. That's pretty bad.

In contrast, Harvard: First year = 0%; Second year = 1%; Third year = 0%.
Title: Re: What percent of students actually graduate in three years?
Post by: pivotable on November 12, 2005, 01:05:28 PM
Cooley appears to be 5th tier, mp!
Title: Re: What percent of students actually graduate in three years?
Post by: dft on November 12, 2005, 06:31:15 PM
Let's look up Roger Williams, a.ka. the school that gets trashed on this board constantly...

Attrition Rates: First year = 24%; Second Year = 2%; Third year = 0%. So the total is 26%. At least it's not as bad as ChlorineBlitch made it out to be for T4's.

However, RW's bar passage rate is only 59%. This is in MA, where the statewide passage rate for first-time test takers is 78%. That's not good.
Title: Re: What percent of students actually graduate in three years?
Post by: lipper on November 12, 2005, 08:18:39 PM
RW is in rhode island
Title: Re: What percent of students actually graduate in three years?
Post by: dft on November 13, 2005, 08:39:58 AM
I know but the majority of grads take the bar in MA.
Title: Law Schools To Avoid At All Costs!
Post by: rr on March 14, 2006, 01:45:34 PM
In alphabetic order:

Capital
Cooley
Golden Gate
John Marshall
New England
Northern Kentucky - Chase
Regent
Roger Williams
Southern
Thomas Jefferson
Thurgud Marshall
Whittier
Widener
Title: Re: What percent of students actually graduate in three years?
Post by: LostMyMonkeys on March 14, 2006, 07:48:24 PM
I took longer than expected in UG, what will make LS different?

Because you don't have a choice. The registrar pretty much tells you what classes you are taking and when. You only have a few elective choices and then the registra mandates them as well. Oh and that pesky ABA requirement to graduate in 5 years (full time) 7 years (part time).

(so says the girl who has to repeat the 1.5 years of law school she took becasue she waited too long to go back and none of it transferred)
Title: Re: What percent of students actually graduate in three years?
Post by: racheles05 on March 15, 2006, 03:54:00 AM
Well, for one thing law school is usually more expensive than undergrad. For another, it's much more miserable - most people don't want to stay longer than three years. Third, as mentioned before, the curriculum options are much more limited. Also, employers don't care if you stay in law school an extra semester just to take a few more classes. In undergrad, those extra language or accounting classes in a 9th semester might make a difference in the job market.

Many students do externships so they can graduate a semester early. I think that most people finish in three years except for folks who are doing dual degrees. I don't have statistics like other folks, but I've only met two people who were in law school for four years, they both did dual degrees and they both expressed that they knew very, very few people who stayed longer than three years.
Title: Re: What percent of students actually graduate in three years?
Post by: QUAKER OATS on March 15, 2006, 07:38:00 PM
Let's look up Roger Williams, a.ka. the school that gets trashed on this board constantly...

Attrition Rates: First year = 24%; Second Year = 2%; Third year = 0%. So the total is 26%. At least it's not as bad as ChlorineBlitch made it out to be for T4's.

However, RW's bar passage rate is only 59%. This is in MA, where the statewide passage rate for first-time test takers is 78%. That's not good.


Where are you getting this, according to LSAC 1L attrition is 18.4%; Bar Passage is 85% in Mass (compared to the state's  83%)

http://officialguide.lsac.org/OFFGUIDE/pdf/aba3081.pdf
Title: Re: Law Schools To Avoid At All Costs!
Post by: QUAKER OATS on March 15, 2006, 07:39:54 PM
In alphabetic order:

Capital
Cooley
Golden Gate
John Marshall
New England
Northern Kentucky - Chase
Regent
Roger Williams
Southern
Thomas Jefferson
Thurgud Marshall
Whittier
Widener

Fl Coastal, Nova SE, St. Thomas (Miami), John Marshall-Atlanta,
Title: Re: What percent of students actually graduate in three years?
Post by: lesbien on March 18, 2006, 07:07:28 AM
I am not sure what criteria rr used to compile his "blacklist," but from what I see all those schools have high attrition rates and low bar passge rates. The exceptions would be Roger Williams and Widener ... As far as Florida schools are concerned, I too have heard that they are low-quality, Nova and St. Thomas are full of Hispanics also ... John Marshall (Atlanta) does not appear to be anywhere listed on LSAC or USNews
Title: Re: Law Schools To Avoid At All Costs!
Post by: E on March 20, 2006, 05:49:51 PM
[...] The exceptions would be Roger Willimas and Delaware [...]

Excuse me, Delaware would be an exception??? With a 27% attrition rate and 71% bar passage rate (not to mention Harrisburg campus that sucks absolutely ass 35%-74%) you are trying to call it an "exception"?

http://officialguide.lsac.org/OFFGUIDE/pdf/aba5161.pdf

And don't get me started about Roger Willims that I am 1000% sure it has falsified its stats (I am not saying that other schools do not lie, but Roger Williams is big on that!)

As far as Nova and St. Thomas are concerned - they've both ridiculously low bar passage rates!
Title: Re: Law Schools To Avoid At All Costs!
Post by: arcanismajor on March 27, 2006, 07:21:03 PM

As far as Nova and St. Thomas are concerned - they've both ridiculously low bar passage rates!

FL bar exam became more difficult to @#!* with lately ..
Title: Re: What percent of students actually graduate in three years?
Post by: ra on May 12, 2006, 04:45:37 PM
Wow, this blacklist is really something! I think we should have a special thread with the names of these disgusting schools!