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Deciding Where to Go => Acceptances, Denials, and Waitlists => Topic started by: Al Brown on May 27, 2002, 10:01:03 AM

Title: Fordham Waitlist
Post by: Al Brown on May 27, 2002, 10:01:03 AM
Fordham waitlist today. 3.4/159/164
Title: Re: Fordham Waitlist
Post by: weezyramo on January 29, 2004, 08:56:03 AM
how did you find out, did you check online or receive a letter

Title: Re: Fordham Waitlist
Post by: prelaw_undergrad on January 29, 2004, 12:08:47 PM
I'll be applying to Fordham in a couple of years.  Do you like NYC? 

QUESTION FOR EVERYONE:  What do ya'll think of NYC/Fordham?  Is that a good 'national' school? 

I don't plan to work in New York, but might want to go to NYU or Fordham.
Title: Re: Fordham Waitlist
Post by: romancingthestone on February 13, 2004, 10:03:27 AM
I think Fordham is definitely considered a national school.  NYC is what it is, but expensive as hell for a law student, if you ask me.
Title: Re: Fordham Waitlist
Post by: macheko on February 26, 2004, 05:15:26 PM
What kind of numbers do you have those that are waitlisted at Fordham?
I haven't heard from them yet. (Me: 162/3.74.)
Title: Re: Fordham Waitlist
Post by: romancingthestone on March 03, 2004, 07:22:16 AM
I was waitlisted with a 3.78/162/168.
Title: Re: Fordham Waitlist
Post by: apartment on March 07, 2004, 02:28:56 PM
Fordham is not considered a national school, at least, it's not anymore national than BU or BC.  However, Fordham is still considered a very good school.  Not up to the level of Columbia or NYU, but very respected.  It also has great placement rates in and around NYC and elswhere in the tri-state area (NY/NJ/CT).

The reason it is considered more regional is because most recruiters at the school are NY firms.  I don't think this is a problems since most of the student body choose to remain in the area after graduation anyway.  If you wanted to go elsewhere, you may have to do some outside research and set up your own interviews, but you should do well even if you decide to go that route.  Fordham may not be national, but going there shouldn't close any doors.

(BTW, I know three people who went to Fordham law in the past few years.  All were happy there, and all chose Fordham over higher ranked schools that were not in the New York area.  None of them seem to have any regrets.)
Title: Re: Fordham Waitlist
Post by: Rubin on March 09, 2004, 05:39:45 PM
Hi,

I'm a French law student with a business law graduate degree and two master's degrees (media law and industrial property) and I'm currently trying to apply for an LLM degree at Fordham.

I sent a complete application file from France by FedEx in december, and I still haven't received anything from the school yet. Can anyone tell me when I should receive an e-mail from them?
Title: Re: Fordham Waitlist
Post by: Louder Than Bombs on March 14, 2004, 03:23:40 PM
I was waitlisted with a 3.78/162/168.

You're kidding! Really? Sorry to hear - you're GPA is excellent, and LSAT average 165...doesn't make sense...

Where else did you apply, and what were the results?

Chris
Title: Re: Fordham Waitlist
Post by: 1L2004 on March 14, 2004, 03:33:46 PM
I was waitlisted with a 3.78/162/168.

I don't follow...was that a 3.78 in "television observation" or something?  one should have a fighting chance at Columbia or NYU with those numbers...definitely Boalt or Cornell
Title: Re: Fordham Waitlist
Post by: marcman on March 14, 2004, 06:28:41 PM
I was waitlisted with a 3.78/162/168.

I don't follow...was that a 3.78 in "television observation" or something?  one should have a fighting chance at Columbia or NYU with those numbers...definitely Boalt or Cornell
I totally agree, you must have filled out your app in crayon and spilled apple juice all over it not to get in with those numbers.
Title: Re: Fordham Waitlist
Post by: romancingthestone on March 16, 2004, 01:06:22 PM
Thanks guys.  I try not to pay too much attention to status but was a little surprised myself.  The 3.78 is from a seven sisters' school in Comparative Literature, I'm bilingual, certified in mediation, have worked in legal aid with refugees for a year and another year in general legal assistance, been a human rights observer for international elections, am writing a book on genocide with one of the most wanted peace activists in East Africa... plus I'm Catholic, and spent a year doing Jesuit Volunteer Corps (it's a Jesuit school)! I just don't get it.  Well whatever, because I took myself off the waitlist immediately and will most likely be going to Cornell or Boalt.  But it does make me question the system.  Do you think it was yield protection?
Title: Re: Fordham Waitlist
Post by: Yellow Snow on March 18, 2004, 08:51:17 AM
I was waitlisted.

LSAT 158/168
GPA 3.4

Romancingthestone, it sounds like yield protection to me. You seem way overqualified, at least on paper which is what counts.
Title: Re: Fordham Waitlist
Post by: blizzard of ozz on March 20, 2004, 09:11:56 AM
I don't know. I've been expecting my Fordham waitlist/rejection for the last several months. Like a previous poster I'm also Catholic, but frankly I don't think they care about anything besides the LSAT. Check out their LSAC index formula. They may as well make GPA optional. LOR's already are.

Schools that are as numbers heavy as Fordham irritate me to no end. I play 9 instruments, raised tons of money for charity, come from a unique background, speak 4 languages and program in 5. But, my LSAT score is a point below Fordham's median so there's a 90% chance I'll get a ding. <Sigh>.

Fordham's not national, but they place better than most of the top 14 in NY if you're interested in BigLaw. Their alumni network is great too. Their clerkship and academia placement is not so impressive though.

Of course on the off chance I'm admitted, I'd be there in a heartbeat.
Title: Re: Fordham Waitlist
Post by: abc12345 on March 22, 2004, 09:38:33 AM
i think it's all politics.  i'm STILL waiting to hear from them, pain in my butt...my friend said admissions is SUPER lazy.
Title: Re: Fordham Waitlist
Post by: romancingthestone on March 22, 2004, 11:42:11 AM
Political in what way?  What does that mean?
Title: Re: Fordham Waitlist
Post by: jas9999 on March 22, 2004, 11:57:26 AM
It's not all lsat. I was waitlisted at fordham with an lsat above their 75% mark. But my undergrad gpa was below their 25% mark. When I got the waitlist note, I called someone in their admissions office, who admitted that it's basically all a combination of the two. The rest of the app can serve as a tiebreak, but 95% is in the two scores. They waitlist a lot of people with the score split, so that they can see how their medians will turn out when more of the class accepts their seats. Then, they (may) let people off the waitlist if they need to raise one score or the other.

I was also told that out of 200+ on the wl last year, only two were offered seats.
Title: Re: Fordham Waitlist
Post by: romancingthestone on March 22, 2004, 12:15:36 PM
gross.  well, nice to know they really consider the whole person.  i feel kind of exposed because i had written a really personal extra essay to them, thinking they would appreciate it because of their stated emphasis on ethics!  apparently not.  well, whatever.  not going there regardless.
Title: Re: Fordham Waitlist
Post by: rickjames on March 25, 2004, 08:10:26 AM
I'm curious if anyone has received any recent nofication from Fordham, whether an acceptance, rejection or waitlist (and by recent I mean within the month of March?

I sent my application in November with a 163/3.74 and have yet to hear anything at all as of 3/24.
Title: Re: Fordham Waitlist
Post by: Rubin on March 25, 2004, 08:46:46 AM
I still have no answer either, but my application @ Fordham was incomplete. A letter of recommendation was missing, although sent (not received), and they hadn't notified me.

Conclusion: you'd better call them...
Title: Re: Fordham Waitlist
Post by: curious on March 26, 2004, 10:37:53 AM
I know of two people who were accepted off of Fordham's waitlist last year.  They happened to be roommates at their undergrad university.  Based on the odds, I think that it is EXTREMELY unlikely (more like impossible) that only two students were accepted off of Fordham's waitlist last year (and I happen to know them and they just happen to be roommates).  From where did the prior poster get that information?
Title: Re: Fordham Waitlist
Post by: rickjames on March 26, 2004, 10:55:02 AM
It is also completely illogical that only two people were taken off of Fordham's waitlist last year. Wouldn't that essentially mean that only two people of all the original acceptances decided not to go to Fordham?? If you think through the whole process, it just doesnt make sense, more especially with such a huge applicant pool last year.
Title: Re: Fordham Waitlist
Post by: Louder Than Bombs on March 26, 2004, 12:13:39 PM
It is also completely illogical that only two people were taken off of Fordham's waitlist last year. Wouldn't that essentially mean that only two people of all the original acceptances decided not to go to Fordham?? 

Actually, no, it wouldn't mean that at all...a school will typically accept 2-2.5 X the amount of students that actually enroll. For example, say Fordham wants to enroll 400 students - then they will admit 1000 applicants, and of this 1000 roughly 400 will accept. So, using these numbers as a guideline, that would mean that last year, out of 1000 accepted applicants, 398 actualy enrolled (meaning 602 declined admission)...then, to make up the difference, two people were selcted off the waitlist and granted admission (which they accepted)...

Chris
Title: Re: Fordham Waitlist
Post by: jas9999 on March 26, 2004, 02:22:16 PM
When I got my waitlist notification from Fordham (shocked, since my LSAT was above their 75%), I called up the admissions office and spoke to one of their staffers. I didn't get a name, though it was a man. I asked about what the odds were, so I could decide whether it was worth it to add my name to the waitlist. When I pressed him about last year's results, he said that over 200 people were put on the list, and only 'about two' were offered seats. So it may not have been exactly two, but it was very, very few.
Title: Re: Fordham Waitlist
Post by: Revenant on March 27, 2004, 09:22:35 PM
Chris is on the ball. :)

It is also completely illogical that only two people were taken off of Fordham's waitlist last year. Wouldn't that essentially mean that only two people of all the original acceptances decided not to go to Fordham?? 

Actually, no, it wouldn't mean that at all...a school will typically accept 2-2.5 X the amount of students that actually enroll. For example, say Fordham wants to enroll 400 students - then they will admit 1000 applicants, and of this 1000 roughly 400 will accept. So, using these numbers as a guideline, that would mean that last year, out of 1000 accepted applicants, 398 actualy enrolled (meaning 602 declined admission)...then, to make up the difference, two people were selcted off the waitlist and granted admission (which they accepted)...

Chris
Title: Re: Fordham Waitlist
Post by: Louder Than Bombs on March 28, 2004, 06:55:10 AM
Chris is on the ball. :)

Thank you! You are very wise - no wonder they made you a Senior Member! ;)

Chris
Title: Re: Fordham Waitlist
Post by: rickjames on March 30, 2004, 10:41:18 AM
Yeah, that was pretty dumb of me! Thanks for setting me straight. Although, now that I am a member of that waitlist as of yesterday, I'd definitely prefer my interpretation! Anyone else on the waitlist now??
Title: Re: Fordham Waitlist
Post by: falconred on March 30, 2004, 03:40:55 PM
Yeah, I'm on the waitlist there too. 

When I called them on the phone to set up a campus tour, I told them I was on the waitlist.  When I got to the campus, they didn't have my name down on the tour sign-up sheet, but they certainly had the names of the admitted students written down.

I still got the tour, and maybe it was just a coincidence that they forgot to put down my name, but it didn't make a good impression on me.   >:(
Title: Re: Fordham Waitlist
Post by: Louder Than Bombs on March 30, 2004, 04:33:49 PM
I still got the tour, and maybe it was just a coincidence that they forgot to put down my name, but it didn't make a good impression on me.   >:(

I wonder if you had the same guide I did. I had some 1L who didn't bother to shave, comb his hair, or iron his shirt. He looked like he got wasted the night before and had just rolled out of bed...that made a bad impression on me.

However, I did like the campus quite a bit, and will be pretty disappointed if I wind up not going there...but, as I see it, they'd have to give me at least some merit $ to go as of now...

Chris
Title: Re: Fordham Waitlist
Post by: Louder Than Bombs on March 31, 2004, 03:32:38 PM
Wow - so I just checked my status @ Fordham, and it seems I got waitlisted! I am completely dumbfounded...I got a 170 - that's the 98th percentile! According to LSAC's official guide, over 90% of people with my numbers got in during the 2002 admissions cycle! They were my safety - I wouldn't have even gone unless they offered me $!!Very unusual...and supposedly Fordham are 'LSAT whores'...

This admissions year has been tough, and very strange, IMHO...I expected to get into Fordham easily, and at the very least get waitlisted at GULC (where I got flat out rejected)...I spoke to a friend who is a first year associate at some firm in NYC - she went to Northwesten with a 3.6 from Brown and a 163...she was completely convinced I would get into GULC, hands down, and in fact was advising me to attend there!

Frankly, I am very disappointed...I am going to St. John's on a full scholarship, so I guess it's kind of ungrateful for me to female dog, but they were really my last choice - I only applied there to see what kind of money I would get! This isn't where I thought I would end up, and that's more than a little depressing. I guess I will have to make the most of it.

It's just bull - this year and last year were two of the most competitive years for law school applicants in a long time. Had I applied in 2000 or 2001 I would have been able to go anwhere I wanted.

Instead, I graduated college to an economy that was just about to decline into a recession/depression, was unable to find work, and now have to 'settle' on attending a school that, quite frankly, I didn't want to go to in the first place. I'm sorry, but I truly feel the students at SJU are pretty mediocre - most of them are Long Island mooks who were too afraid to go into the city (or couldn't get in good schools)...not the caliber of student I want to surround myself with...

I'm pissed.

Chris
Title: Re: Fordham Waitlist
Post by: xrayspec on March 31, 2004, 03:49:10 PM
It's just bull - this year and last year were two of the most competitive years for law school applicants in a long time. Had I applied in 2000 or 2001 I would have been able to go anwhere I wanted. Instead, I graduated college to an economy that was just about to decline into a recession/depression, was unable to find work, and now have to 'settle' on attending a school that, quite frankly, I didn't want to go to in the first place.

"England is mine ... it owes me a living"
Title: Re: Fordham Waitlist
Post by: Louder Than Bombs on March 31, 2004, 03:56:31 PM
"England is mine ... it owes me a living"

Does the body rule the mind, or does the mind rule the body? I don't know....



You just made my day! ;D

Chris

Title: Re: Fordham Waitlist
Post by: bluesy on March 31, 2004, 04:28:15 PM
Chris,
How'd you find out?  On their website or did they send a letter?  Thanks!
Title: Re: Fordham Waitlist
Post by: deleted1248163264128 on March 31, 2004, 04:36:16 PM
Chris-

I'm glad I'm not the only person who's feeling this way.  I haven't heard back from most of my schools yet, but judging from what I've been reading, I'm likely to get dinged or waitlisted at most.  I've been toying with the idea of reapplying next year or if I actually get into one of my safeties, maybe I'll try to kick ass there and then transfer (although I hear mixed reports on how realistic this is).  Any plans to try to transfer?

A friend of mine applying to B-school is telling me to stop being so negative, but it's just not looking good.  Apparently when the economy sucks, B-school apps go way down, but unfortunately I have no interest in that course of action.

Well I know how hard it can be to try to stay positive, but best of luck to everyone!
Title: Re: Fordham Waitlist
Post by: Louder Than Bombs on March 31, 2004, 04:39:59 PM
Chris,
How'd you find out?  On their website or did they send a letter?  Thanks!

Status check, updated today...

Chris
Title: Re: Fordham Waitlist
Post by: bluesy on March 31, 2004, 04:42:50 PM
Thanks Chris!  Gosh, so do they put rejections on that thing too, something's just wrong about that.  Mine has been saying "complete" for months so I don't know what to think.
Title: Re: Fordham Waitlist
Post by: Louder Than Bombs on March 31, 2004, 04:49:06 PM
Thanks Chris!  Gosh, so do they put rejections on that thing too, something's just wrong about that.  Mine has been saying "complete" for months so I don't know what to think.

Yeah, it will tell you if you've been accepted or rejected. Good luck...

Chris
Title: Re: Fordham Waitlist
Post by: blizzard of ozz on March 31, 2004, 04:49:42 PM
Thanks Chris!  Gosh, so do they put rejections on that thing too, something's just wrong about that.  Mine has been saying "complete" for months so I don't know what to think.

yep they put up rejections too. i just checked (i got my letter in the mail though).
Title: Re: Fordham Waitlist
Post by: xrayspec on March 31, 2004, 06:20:15 PM
"England is mine ... it owes me a living"

While disappointment is natural I wouldn't get tangled up in the coulda wouldas. If you had a 3.26 gpa, that was below 25% at both Fordham and GULC so ... it wasn't totally improbable.

As for having to go to a 'last choice' remember --- given the tough admissions scene this year, a lot of people are dropping down a tier. Better qualified applicants means better qualfied students everywhere.
Title: Re: Fordham Waitlist
Post by: Louder Than Bombs on March 31, 2004, 07:53:06 PM
While disappointment is natural I wouldn't get tangled up in the coulda wouldas. If you had a 3.26 gpa, that was below 25% at both Fordham and GULC so ... it wasn't totally improbable.

As for having to go to a 'last choice' remember --- given the tough admissions scene this year, a lot of people are dropping down a tier. Better qualified applicants means better qualfied students everywhere.

I hear you about GULC, so I wasn't that disappointed, but Fordham...well, all I can say is according to the LSAC Official guide, they accepted about 93% of applicants with my numbers during the 2002 admissions cycle. So, I had thought (obviously erroneously) that I would be an auto-admit despite my relatively low GPA.

I must admit, however, that I am satisfied with my decision to attend St. John's and my scholarship award. I was just a bit disappointed, and I guess the Fordham waitlist was a blow to my ego. However, I do believe that had I applied to more schools and done so early in the cycle, that I would be headed somewhere else.

So, yeah, I don't really have a right to female dog. But, you can't blame me for being disappointed - it's only natural.

Chris
Title: Re: Fordham Waitlist
Post by: Phillip79 on April 03, 2004, 07:30:45 AM
I was waitlisted with a 3.78/162/168.

I don't follow...was that a 3.78 in "television observation" or something?  one should have a fighting chance at Columbia or NYU with those numbers...definitely Boalt or Cornell
I totally agree, you must have filled out your app in crayon and spilled apple juice all over it not to get in with those numbers.

I think you're underestimating how hard it is to get into Columbia and NYU.  A 162/168 split does NOT give you much of a chance at those schools.  Their 25th-75th percentiles are 168-173, and yes, a few points can make a huge difference with thousands of applicants.  Even if you score in the 167-173 range, you're not guaranteed a spot by any means. 
Title: Re: Fordham Waitlist
Post by: r_poster on April 06, 2004, 08:14:38 AM
Add me to the waitlist bunch.  My numbers were similar to "louder than bombs" but not good enough for the crazy competition this year.  I'm not crying too much.  I got into all my top 10/20 schools (some with buckets of money) but was waitlisted at two of my lower ranked schools.

It's Fordham's right to take me or not take me, but the status check waitlist/rejections are TTT.  If they are going to do that, it ought to be interactive; they should let us respond with a Y|N to waitlists with a little form submit toggle button.  That way people don't have to debate paying the extra $0.37 for further torture. 
Title: Re: Fordham Waitlist
Post by: jas9999 on April 23, 2004, 10:52:44 AM
just got an email, literally a minute ago, saying i'm in. so they're reviewing the waitlist now...
Title: Re: Fordham Waitlist
Post by: Ivy_Bound on April 23, 2004, 10:58:09 AM
Yup.  i just checked my email and i was admitted also.

good luck to everyone!
Title: Re: Fordham Waitlist
Post by: jas9999 on April 23, 2004, 11:03:45 AM
is the 142 a typo, ivy_bound?

i love this:
--
        I am very pleased to inform you that you have been accepted as a Day     division student in the Fordham University School of Law fall 2004 entering class.
--

they can't spend two seconds fixing the spacing on their template??

(edit: it doesn't show up as well here, but there's a gap after "day" where they could also insert 'evening' if applicable...)
Title: Re: Fordham Waitlist
Post by: Rubin on April 23, 2004, 12:13:37 PM
I gave them a call last week: accepted  ;) (in LLM)
But I'm still waiting for the letter lol