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Deciding Where to Go => Acceptances, Denials, and Waitlists => Topic started by: kevinc on April 16, 2004, 03:44:47 AM

Title: Have you guys seen UCLA's numbers on lawschoolnumbers.com???
Post by: kevinc on April 16, 2004, 03:44:47 AM
Dood, you guys need to check out some of the people who were recently waitlisted at UCLA

  poopy    169   3.42   X   7   Waitlisted   01/13/04   02/10/04   04/07/04
  Christine03    177   3.46   X   3   Waitlisted      12/12/03   04/15/04
  sophie13    169   3.55   X   2   Waitlisted         
  Casedork    168   3.55   X   6   Waitlisted   01/26/04   02/25/04   04/09/04
  wintergirl    161   4.13   X      Waitlisted         
  preppykc    165   3.69   X   2   Waitlisted         04/15/04
  asriyal    166   3.66   X   1   Waitlisted   12/04/03   03/04/04   04/05/04
  daniel    163   3.85   X      Waitlisted         
  tiyo    170   3.10   X   1   Waitlisted         
  bigswingface    171   3.55   X   3   Waitlisted   

what the hell??? those numbers are pretty good...i hate UCLA. i have to admit tho that much of my hate stems from being waitlisted too. hahaha
Title: Re: Have you guys seen UCLA's numbers on lawschoolnumbers.com???
Post by: GMULAW on April 16, 2004, 05:57:18 AM
What UCLA is doing is denying people or waitlisiting them to be nice that probably will not go to UCLA anyways (or at least by their calculations). They are doing this to increase the number of students they admit that actually come to the school. I think overall this is a good practice, b/c it save real admits the pains of a waitlist, but it sucks for those with really high scorese that actually want to go there. My advice is if you are one of those who has really good scores, but got waitlisted in to write them a letter about how much you love UCLA and how if accepted you will definetly go there.

Good Luck!

p.s. TO ALL: As a first year just about to start finals and wasting lots of study time on this board, all you pre-laws need to find out your fall classes and go buy some study aids (there are tons) and know the black letter law before you get to class.
Title: Re: Have you guys seen UCLA's numbers on lawschoolnumbers.com???
Post by: Meltdown on April 19, 2004, 04:15:23 PM
What UCLA is doing is denying people or waitlisiting them to be nice that probably will not go to UCLA anyways (or at least by their calculations). They are doing this to increase the number of students they admit that actually come to the school.

Sorry to be contrary, but I disagree.  :)

3.66/166 (for example) seem like the numbers of person who might easily choose UCLA. I think UCLA is solid enough that they can draw people with that range of number (and do so frequently). Either UCLA is having a very nice year (which would make sense because of how many applicants there are now) or those people had flaws we cannot see.

I can't imagine UCLA would pass up the opportunity to take peple who are numbers qualified (but not insanely great 180/4.0 people) just because they think they'll go elsewhere. What about people who live in Los Angeles and want to stay there?
Title: Re: Have you guys seen UCLA's numbers on lawschoolnumbers.com???
Post by: asriyal on April 19, 2004, 05:22:33 PM
So I'm the girl whose numbers you just quoted, and I really am kind of bitter.  UCLA was my first choice.  I got accepted to Michigan, Northwestern, Georgetown, etc. when all I really wanted to do was stay in LA.  (I got into USC, but I just really don't like the law school there.)  I would go to UCLA anyways, I would love to go to UCLA anyways, I would trade all my other acceptances to go to UCLA anyways.

I hope I don't have any less apparent flaws, I'm assuming they're not too bad if I got into the other schools - I'm wondering if it's because I went to a UC (Cal) or if they have too many people from my major or what.  But UC's have a reputation for being somewhat arbitrary.  I'll be moving to Chicago in a few months to attend Northwestern.  Dammit.
Title: Re: Have you guys seen UCLA's numbers on lawschoolnumbers.com???
Post by: blizzard of ozz on April 19, 2004, 06:37:54 PM
Dood, you guys need to check out some of the people who were recently waitlisted at UCLA

  poopy    169   3.42   X   7   Waitlisted   01/13/04   02/10/04   04/07/04
  Christine03    177   3.46   X   3   Waitlisted      12/12/03   04/15/04
  sophie13    169   3.55   X   2   Waitlisted         
  Casedork    168   3.55   X   6   Waitlisted   01/26/04   02/25/04   04/09/04
  wintergirl    161   4.13   X      Waitlisted         
  preppykc    165   3.69   X   2   Waitlisted         04/15/04
  asriyal    166   3.66   X   1   Waitlisted   12/04/03   03/04/04   04/05/04
  daniel    163   3.85   X      Waitlisted         
  tiyo    170   3.10   X   1   Waitlisted         
  bigswingface    171   3.55   X   3   Waitlisted   

what the hell??? those numbers are pretty good...i hate UCLA. i have to admit tho that much of my hate stems from being waitlisted too. hahaha

UCLA is the most GPA-heavy school in the first tier. It's 50% or more GPA. The numbers aren't too surprising in light of that. Out-of-state admissions to UC's are a definite crapshoot, regardless though.

UC's evaluate UG grade inflation too in several tiers. Yale and Yeshiva are the 2 most grade-inflated UG's (their average GPA hovers around 3.4 or more) so they subtract points from their GPA (see Montauk's How to Get into LS) whereas several private schools actually ADD points to their GPA based on "UG Prestige". So many of the folks that have inflated GPA's get taken down a peg by the UC's. God, I love the way the UC admissions system has the guts to stand up against grade inflation.
Title: Re: Have you guys seen UCLA's numbers on lawschoolnumbers.com???
Post by: skotval on April 19, 2004, 11:32:59 PM
asriyal!  I am in exactly the same situation as you... UCLA was my first choice even though I got into better ranked schools like Northwestern and Georgetown because I really wanted to go back to UCLA (I went there for undergrad).  I just found out I got waitlisted there on Friday.  Right after my tour of the law school :P.  I still haven't heard back from USC but I didn't like it as much as I thought I would.  Looks like I am most likely going to Northwestern in the fall too.... BTW... I'm a 3.44/175 (since I know someone will ask!)
Title: Re: Have you guys seen UCLA's numbers on lawschoolnumbers.com???
Post by: kevinc on April 20, 2004, 03:35:43 AM
i'm hella bummed too. ucla was my first choice...well, it looks like i'm gonna have to go to usc, even tho it's mother freakin' expensive. it's a small price to pay, i guess, to live in los angeles again. my other option is boston college, but i don't think it's worth it to go to that school if i wanna eventually work in LA after i graduate. plus boston sucks, whereas LA rules!  :)

i'm also waitlisted at UPENN, Gtown, Cornell, Berkeley, but I HIGHLY doubt i'll get into any of those schools off the waitlist.
Title: Re: Have you guys seen UCLA's numbers on lawschoolnumbers.com???
Post by: Speedracer on April 20, 2004, 10:53:29 AM
Hey Guys,

Man I got into UCLA and I cant complain, but I rather go to Gtown or Northwestern because Im  east coast kinda guy.  Also I kinda like cold weather sometimes.
Anyone wanna trade?
By the way my numbers were 3.8 166
Title: Re: Have you guys seen UCLA's numbers on lawschoolnumbers.com???
Post by: asriyal on April 20, 2004, 01:41:31 PM
heck yes, speedracer.  i wonder if anyone ever actually tries to do that if they have two willing parties  :D
Title: Re: Have you guys seen UCLA's numbers on lawschoolnumbers.com???
Post by: Meltdown on April 20, 2004, 05:14:51 PM
So I'm the girl whose numbers you just quoted, and I really am kind of bitter.  UCLA was my first choice.  I got accepted to Michigan, Northwestern, Georgetown, etc. when all I really wanted to do was stay in LA.  (I got into USC, but I just really don't like the law school there.)  I would go to UCLA anyways, I would love to go to UCLA anyways, I would trade all my other acceptances to go to UCLA anyways.

I hope I don't have any less apparent flaws, I'm assuming they're not too bad if I got into the other schools - I'm wondering if it's because I went to a UC (Cal) or if they have too many people from my major or what.  But UC's have a reputation for being somewhat arbitrary.  I'll be moving to Chicago in a few months to attend Northwestern.  Dammit.

Damn, I'm like psychic!

Seriously, I'm sorry to hear that. I wish for your sake that UCLA had not been your top choice. Just a question, but did you make it apparent to them in some way that UCLA was #1 for you? Not that that would have changed anything, but I wonder what effect that does have on applications, if any.

Congrats on the other acceptances, though. At least your "fallbacks" are top-notch.

Blizz--nice comment about GPA weighting at UCLA. I heard UC Berkeley gave it even more weight. Any info on that?
Title: Re: Have you guys seen UCLA's numbers on lawschoolnumbers.com???
Post by: asriyal on April 21, 2004, 01:28:25 AM
Damn, I'm like psychic!

Seriously, I'm sorry to hear that. I wish for your sake that UCLA had not been your top choice. Just a question, but did you make it apparent to them in some way that UCLA was #1 for you? Not that that would have changed anything, but I wonder what effect that does have on applications, if any.

Congrats on the other acceptances, though. At least your "fallbacks" are top-notch.

What's funny is that Boalt was #1 for me until the last few months (I wrote them a letter saying so), when I realized that I wanted to be in LA for many reasons (found an incredible dance school here, friends, want to end up here to work, etc).  When Boalt waitlisted me I was less heartbroken than I thought I was going to be, and was really looking forward to UCLA - I did write UCLA a letter saying they were my first choice even.  I'm somehow doubting your whole file gets read there though...

But the schools I didn't write letters to accepted me.  Go figure. 

Thanks though =)  I'm sure I'll be happy at NU...just very, very...cold...  Where are you off to?
Title: Re: Have you guys seen UCLA's numbers on lawschoolnumbers.com???
Post by: Meltdown on April 21, 2004, 07:05:04 AM
Thanks though =)  I'm sure I'll be happy at NU...just very, very...cold...  Where are you off to?

Nowhere just yet. I'm still in the unenviable position of preparing for the LSAT. I'll see how that goes and then look at the options.

Good luck in Chitown.
Title: Re: Have you guys seen UCLA's numbers on lawschoolnumbers.com???
Post by: chance on April 22, 2004, 08:34:52 AM
OMG--you're all describing my life! Boalt as first choice, UCLA as second... higher ranked options (UMich, Columbia, Stanford wait list)

Fortunately, USC has made itself about the same cost as UCLA. However, I am caught between USC and Mich--just cant decide, esp. since I am summer start at Mich and would have to move next month! At least if I stick around with USC in mind, I can wait for UCLA a little longer.
Title: Re: Have you guys seen UCLA's numbers on lawschoolnumbers.com???
Post by: asriyal on April 22, 2004, 11:03:29 AM
Chance,

Have you visited USC?  I got a pretty good deal there too, but I really didn't like it when I took the tour and all... I'd only go there because it's in LA, and I think if I went there for only that reason I'd start getting bitter.  It just doesn't have that hallowed halls feeling, y'know? 

Have you visited Michigan also, incidentally?  I haven't, they wouldn't give me a travel stipend and I have no personal reasons to visit Michigan.  I think I chose NU above Mich to send my deposit to because they've been much nicer about everything and I really liked it when I visited.  But that means if I move to Chicago, no way am I picking up and moving back to LA right before (or during) the first week if they let me in.  Bleh.

Let me know about your feelings on Michigan if you've been - would love to get a Californian perspective on Ann Arbor and the law school up there!
Title: Re: Have you guys seen UCLA's numbers on lawschoolnumbers.com???
Post by: chance on April 22, 2004, 12:00:27 PM
asriyal--

Yeah, I was totally anti-USC until I went to their preview day last week. I got a different feeling than I had before. I really liked everyone. They seemed academic, but still really commercial and practical. All of my kinda California guilty pleasures would be satisfied there--nice weather, laid back people from similar walks of life (UCs predominantly), close to current friends and family, job in OC or LA later on. And they seem like the school legitimately is driven by the needs of the students (its pretty small too), which I have to admit is in contrast to the indifference UCLA seems to project these days. Of course there is the cultish alumni network too.

re. Michigan--I have visited twice now. The people are awesome. I seriously felt like I had gone home to the mother ship or something. They seemed to really complement my ideosyncracies--they struck me as really open-minded, and light-hearted. They immediately put me at ease, and I could see myself being happy around those people. But--it is in Michigan. Ann Arbor seems really cool (I went to Davis), like a college town on steroids or something, but nonetheless, for me, its less an issue of moving to Michigan, and more an issue of moving OUT of California. It is just starting to seem like a huge hassle to go there.

So... thats basically my feel and my predicament--I am getting a little sick of everyone acting like it is such an obvious choice. Im not really sure what the heck I want to besides quit my current job, so the whole ranking thing is becoming less of an issue. I doubt that BIGLAW is for me anyway. I think I might be more on a small business owner track. Who knows. So there you go.
Title: Re: Have you guys seen UCLA's numbers on lawschoolnumbers.com???
Post by: asriyal on April 22, 2004, 04:11:15 PM
Chance,

Thanks for the input.  I definitely know what you mean about people and their attitudes about Michigan clearly being the right choice.  A lot of people in California have no respect for NU because it's just not that well known out here.  Plus every single person from Michigan I asked why they went to Michigan, said, because it's the best school I got into, I didn't even visit before I started classes.  That was a bit disturbing to me.   

I wonder if the preview day for USC was different than the tours they gave?  I was going to go, but cancelled because I just didn't like it that much on the mini-tour I attended.  They've definitely impressed me with their constant personalized correspondence, etc. though.  My opinion - I'd go for USC above Michigan for cost, location, and networking.  Good luck with your choice - I definitely empathize.  I guess I'm pretty excited about NU because I really do like the school a lot, but it makes me deeply sad to leave California for so long. 
Title: Re: Have you guys seen UCLA's numbers on lawschoolnumbers.com???
Post by: jbshane on April 22, 2004, 05:51:00 PM
I think one of the main reasons for Michigan being a "safety Top 10 school" is that it is in the Midwest.  For people coming from either coast, they know its reputation, but not much else about it because it's not in a major urban area and its in that vast wasteland we east/west coasters like to call "everything inbetween" (although the school is incredibly popular in NYC area for undergrad, grad and professional schools).  The truth about Michigan?  It's an amazing school with a beautiful campus in a great college town.  The faculty is top-notch and the students are not as cutthroat as at other Top 10 schools).

I went to Michigan undergrad (from the East Coast originally) and was rejected this year from the Law School.  I want to move to California (most likely going to Davis), and I always maintained throughout the application process that Stanford & Boalt were my top choices, but if I had had my way, I would have spent 3 more years in Ann Arbor.  I know that it may to tough to ponder moving to...oh, god...Michigan, but you won't regret it.  Ann Arbor is like Berkeley, but grown out of its 1960s youth, and the students at all of UM's colleges are immensely proud of their school, and are right to be so.  The weather may suck from December to March, but the rest of the year it's gorgeous (plus, you'll be in the library all winter anyway).

Take it from someone who wants to live in California for the rest of his life, but would have given the world to go to Michigan Law: go to school in Ann Arbor, because you won't regret your choice for a minute.
Title: Re: Have you guys seen UCLA's numbers on lawschoolnumbers.com???
Post by: chance on April 22, 2004, 07:19:19 PM
Meriweather--

So you waiting on UCLA too? If so, looks unlikely we are going to end up classmates, but hey--we may end up just having switched undergrad schools for law schools. Ha! Davis is great--good place for lots of focused studying :) I am assuming you're out at Stanford and Boalt? I got rejected from Boalt really quickly, and waitlisted at Stanford.

Anyway, thanks for the advice--you really put it out there without acting like "WHAT?! You're passing up Mich?!" 
Title: Re: Have you guys seen UCLA's numbers on lawschoolnumbers.com???
Post by: jbshane on April 22, 2004, 08:09:05 PM
no problem - i was bitter about my michigan rejection for about 30 minutes, and then realized that i couldn't hate my undergrad school forever.  now i can't help but talk it up.  i have two friends graduating from the law school this spring - they loved it.

i got rejected by boalt & stanford very quickly - although my fiancee didn't tell her parents (who live in the bay area) until 2 weeks ago, because she didn't want to disappoint them.  i could've killed her when i found out that she had been keeping her parents in the dark.

any insight into life in davis (outside of the law school?)?  what is there to do?  everyone talks it up, but i'm still in the dark about what life might be like for a 25 year old in such a small town.
Title: Re: Have you guys seen UCLA's numbers on lawschoolnumbers.com???
Post by: nola8688 on April 22, 2004, 10:02:04 PM
Meriweather,

I am trying to get in touch with a friend of a friend who is living in Davis right now. I am going to ask him all the important questions when I get ahold of him.  When I get the info I will start a new thread.
Title: Re: Have you guys seen UCLA's numbers on lawschoolnumbers.com???
Post by: jbshane on April 23, 2004, 06:33:30 AM
Thanks Nola! ;D
Title: Re: Have you guys seen UCLA's numbers on lawschoolnumbers.com???
Post by: chance on April 23, 2004, 07:59:57 AM
Life in Davis...

It is a peaceful and safe little town, and its great for spending time outdoors jogging, biking, swimming, studying whatever. My two favorite images are probably the farmer's market and the arboretum. Of course, the rec pool is pretty nice too (largest free form pool west of something or other).The night life centers more around barbeques with friends and a few local bars than anything else.  In my opinion, the local township has kindofa love/hate relationship with the school and itself--especially now that Davis is becoming an expensive "country" haven for SF and Sacramento yuppies turned parents. It was a really big event when the Gap opened in 1999, and it did bring protesters.

This is my impression. Davis is a little bit of a wannabe. It really wants to be everything that Berkeley and Ann Arbor are, and it trys really hard to get there (ie. the latest push has been to go Division 1 with sports etc. and who can forget the Whole Earth Festival every spring which is basically a bunch of commercialized hippies trying to make a buck selling crap). Those other two towns? They don't have to try, they just get it. No one is ever going to say "Berkeley/Ann Arbor is like Davis" It will always be the inverse. And I feel like Davis sometimes feels more isolated simply because it is sort of near SF--when you get bored you feel a bit like you are being taunted, and missing out on something awesome. But hey, that might just have been 19 yr old me.

That said--I got an AMAZING undergrad education there. It really is one of academia's best kept secrets. People just don't know how great of a school it really is.

One more thing--the restaurant industry doesn't have much to offer, but you can definitely get great wine so near to Napa!Ok, I hope my frankness didn't influence anyone too much.