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Title: post your score here
Post by: cascagrossa on October 22, 2004, 03:31:19 PM
raw score: 84
lsat: 165

well, im f-ing pissed, i knew i didnt do so great and i wish i would have cancelled.  i looked at my scanned scantron and i see that the 4 answers i changed at the last second WERE ALL RIGHT TO BEGIN WITH!!!!!  im so f-ing angry, that would have given me a 168 and i would be happy, but now i have to retake.  oh boy, here we go again!!!!

i missed 4 on reading, 4 on first lr, 3 on games, and 5 on last lr.  f-ing retarded, i NEVER miss that many on lr(if i kept my original answers i would have only missed 5 total)
Title: Re: post your score here
Post by: TheDecline on October 22, 2004, 03:36:33 PM
sorry dude.
Title: Re: post your score here
Post by: generalleeferd on October 22, 2004, 03:40:04 PM
Raw - 83
LSAT - 164
Title: Re: post your score here
Post by: AuburnChick on October 22, 2004, 03:43:08 PM
158..i didnt even break the 160 barrier...you know sometimes when things are very dissapointing, not just slightly dissapointing..its easier to laugh..im laughing right now
at least i have a halloween party to go to tonight

im not retaking it-if anybody has a list of schools that accept 158ers send it my way!
Title: Re: post your score here
Post by: peteybetey on October 22, 2004, 03:44:50 PM
Same boat, casa.  I got a
RS: 86
LSAT: 166

and am not altogether too happy about it.  The stupid god damn neuroscience sections cost me 3 alone (and obviously, I'm pissed about being on the higher end of the 166, which I believe was 85-86).  This scale really was killer.

note: I'm not too knowledgeable of the ordinary range, but I tested at 166 in the 95th percentile; is that where the 95th usually is?
Title: Re: post your score here
Post by: foxnewssucks on October 22, 2004, 03:48:59 PM
171, not sure what the RS is since now it dissapeared off of LSAC.. go figure.. I think it was 91.

Already signed up to take the Dec. test.. I can do better.
Title: Re: post your score here
Post by: generalleeferd on October 22, 2004, 03:51:15 PM
Yeah, 171 is RS 91.

Any ideas on why LSAT scores are disappearing on LSAC.org?
Title: Re: post your score here
Post by: dominikasson on October 22, 2004, 03:56:11 PM
i know i'm not the only one thinking they took down the scores because they accidently scored us 10pts lower...;)
Title: Re: post your score here
Post by: Cletus on October 22, 2004, 03:56:51 PM
I got a 158 as well. I missed fully half of the games section...And I spent months preparing..just couldn't get my head around those logic games. I seriously think it must be some kind of learning disability..with all the preparation I did I should have had a better grasp of those games..it's not rocket science for crikey's sake! Oh well, that's how it blows I suppose.

158..i didnt even break the 160 barrier...you know sometimes when things are very dissapointing, not just slightly dissapointing..its easier to laugh..im laughing right now
at least i have a halloween party to go to tonight

im not retaking it-if anybody has a list of schools that accept 158ers send it my way!
Title: Re: post your score here
Post by: Matthew_24_24 on October 22, 2004, 04:25:31 PM
I want my f'n score im going to stab someone soon.

Matt
Title: Re: post your score here
Post by: cascagrossa on October 22, 2004, 04:28:18 PM
hmm, my score is gone now.  i hope lsac realized they went f-ing crazy with that scale and they are toning it down and readjusting our scores.
Title: Re: post your score here
Post by: cascagrossa on October 22, 2004, 04:29:32 PM
hmm, my score is gone now.  i hope lsac realized they went f-ing crazy with that scale and they are toning it down and readjusting our scores.
Title: Re: post your score here
Post by: peteybetey on October 22, 2004, 04:31:18 PM
Is there ANY way a readjustment of the scale is a possibility (I'm strongly assuming not).
Title: Re: post your score here
Post by: Hurley97 on October 22, 2004, 04:32:49 PM
What is the URL for the 10/2 scale that a few of the people posted.
Title: Re: post your score here
Post by: imtheantelope on October 22, 2004, 04:35:23 PM
I really really doubt it pedro (Im his daddy). I wish and I would do some really sick *&^% to get my score on a different scale but I couldnt see lsac making that kind of systemic error.  But hey, thats why Im drinking right now... things cant get any worse, can they?
Title: Re: post your score here
Post by: cascagrossa on October 22, 2004, 04:35:43 PM
Is there ANY way a readjustment of the scale is a possibility (I'm strongly assuming not).

i think the chances of it happening are about .0000001%

but we can still dream for now...
Title: Re: post your score here
Post by: dcdjr23 on October 22, 2004, 04:51:11 PM
AuburnChick - I scored a 158 on the June LSAT.  There are some very good schools that you can get into with a 158 and a decent GPA.  Depending on where you want to live, I have found that Tier 2 schools like Houston and Florida State both have starting median salaries of $100,000+.  I live in Illinois and am trying to get into a law school that is further south and/or in a bigger city than where I live.

The following is the list of schools that I applied to.  Keep in mind that I have a family to support, so the ability to go part-time was a big factor in some of the schools that I applied to.

Reach Schools:
University of Illinois - Champaign
University of North Carolina
Wake Forest

Middle:
Southern Methodist University (applied to evening program)
Georgia State University (applied to evening program)
University of Tennessee

Safety Schools:
Florida State
Indiana University - Indianapolis (applied to evening program)
St. Louis University (applied to evening program)
University of Memphis (applied for part-time program)
Texas Wesleyan University (applied to evening program)


I applied to a tier 3 (Memphis) and tier 4 (Texas Wesleyan) just because they are located in places where I want to live.  However, a 158 and a decent GPA should allow you to get into a good tier 2 school.  Especially if you are a non-traditional student who has to apply for part-time.
Title: Re: post your score here
Post by: ILoveNY on October 22, 2004, 04:53:51 PM
158..i didnt even break the 160 barrier...you know sometimes when things are very dissapointing, not just slightly dissapointing..its easier to laugh..im laughing right now
at least i have a halloween party to go to tonight

im not retaking it-if anybody has a list of schools that accept 158ers send it my way!

I'm so frustrated because we live in the same TOWN and I don't have mine yet!
Title: Re: post your score here
Post by: cascagrossa on October 22, 2004, 04:55:18 PM
my score just reappeared and i got the email.  no change in the score or scale unfortunately.
Title: Re: post your score here
Post by: Matthew_24_24 on October 22, 2004, 05:06:58 PM
SCORE UP (maybe other people too) 

167! OMG I screwed GAMES UP HARD LOL

9 wrong, i got 4 wrong on the rest of the test.  I suck so bad at games.

1 wrong on RC.  2 wrong on one LR and 1 wrong on the other.

Now...do i rewrite the f'n thing? 

Matt
Title: Re: post your score here
Post by: cascagrossa on October 22, 2004, 05:15:26 PM
congrats matt.  i dont think i would retake with 167.  itd be tough to do well enough to raise your average to the point where it might make a difference.

im definitely retaking with my f-ing piece of *&^% 165 though. i could care less about the average, my gpa is so low that i need a big fat 170+ to brighten up my applications.  i will NEVER second guess myself on the lsat again, i screwed myself over big time.
Title: Re: post your score here
Post by: dr_draino on October 22, 2004, 05:31:15 PM
168.  I'm psyched, even though it's on the low end of the practice tests.  I was worried when I saw the scale.  Oddly, I only missed 2 on RC, which I was expecting to die on.  Missed 2 on games which I'll need to check on...whatever...
Title: Re: post your score here
Post by: imtheantelope on October 22, 2004, 05:35:04 PM
congrats draino... so i guess Northeastern is out?  Send me some kharmic vibes, as this score of mine will be intolerably low.
Title: Re: post your score here
Post by: Doubledown Trent on October 22, 2004, 05:35:48 PM
Congrats, Draino, you should be set now.  I'm curious, what time did your score get posted?
Title: Re: post your score here
Post by: dr_draino on October 22, 2004, 05:41:03 PM
'round 8:20 eastern...I had checked at 8:05 and nothin', then it all popped up and it took me a minute for my eyes to finally find the goddamn score.

Northeastern is definitely not out...if I get accepted to BC, BU and NE, all three will be in the running and it will be a hard choice...I was really impressed with my visit there.
Title: Re: post your score here
Post by: Matthew_24_24 on October 22, 2004, 05:43:28 PM
omg draino congrats!

We owned it, sorta, not really.  But good enough heh.

Matt
Title: Re: post your score here
Post by: ericthered on October 22, 2004, 05:49:03 PM
Hi - is there a correct answer grid/chart or something someone might be nice enough to post for those of us who have not yet gotten our scores...

Listening ot everyone else talk about this is worse than just waiting for Monday! I can't believe the curve was that hard!

Thanks....
Title: Re: post your score here
Post by: LSATGuru on October 22, 2004, 05:50:28 PM
163.  I was on par with my diagnostic range of 160-164. 

21/22 on games...

"normal" on reading, a little low on LR.  Definitely not retaking, I'm satiated.
Title: Re: post your score here
Post by: dr_draino on October 22, 2004, 05:54:07 PM
omg draino congrats!

We owned it, sorta, not really.  But good enough heh.

Matt

I'll go with the "not really" on that...but 168 is a nice functional score.  Guess I'll be too embarresed to show my face around here now though, since I didn't break into the elite 170 range.  Wonder would the lobe got?
Title: Re: post your score here
Post by: BAFF213 on October 22, 2004, 06:00:17 PM
im going to kill myself, i got a 155.
Title: Re: post your score here
Post by: imtheantelope on October 22, 2004, 06:08:27 PM
BAFF, u just got your score?
Title: Re: post your score here
Post by: Doubledown Trent on October 22, 2004, 06:10:21 PM
Don't worry about it, BAFF.  You did better than most people.  The scores are a little skewed here because so many people who post have exceptional scores.
Title: Re: post your score here
Post by: wstaffor on October 22, 2004, 06:13:09 PM
174, raw score 94.

Missed 2 on RC and 2 on each LR. None on games.

I'm pretty happy. I wanted to do better, but the scale was pretty harsh.
Title: Re: post your score here
Post by: Praetor on October 22, 2004, 06:14:06 PM
BAFF I think you're in the long list of people retaking here. I'll be in the same boat, I guessed B for every single question in the science reading, so that's at least 5 wrong unless there was divine intervention.

WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE EEEEE. Dec 4th here we come.
Title: Re: post your score here
Post by: D on October 22, 2004, 06:22:19 PM
Baff. I'm with you on the 155. I sort of expected it. I gotta see if I got December in me. I'm pretty worn out right about now.
Title: Re: post your score here
Post by: caffeine and nicotine addict on October 22, 2004, 06:24:25 PM
Am I the only one still waiting for my score?   :'(
Title: Re: post your score here
Post by: ElizaB on October 22, 2004, 06:27:11 PM
166.  I'm not overjoyed but I'm not devastated either.  I am, however, pissed about the scale.  The same number wrong would have given me a 168 or a 169 on some of the recent past tests!!!!!!  By the way, did anyone check out their writing sample.  My penmanship looked like that of a two year old!  I think my hand had started cramping at that point.
Title: Re: post your score here
Post by: TheDecline on October 22, 2004, 06:31:54 PM
166.  I'm not overjoyed but I'm not devastated either.  I am, however, pissed about the scale.  The same number wrong would have given me a 168 or a 169 on some of the recent past tests!!!!!!  By the way, did anyone check out their writing sample.  My penmanship looked like that of a two year old!  I think my hand had started cramping at that point.

The Oct test was easier.  You can't compare tests in that manner.
Title: Re: post your score here
Post by: BIG H2001 on October 22, 2004, 06:38:02 PM
161, I'm psyched.  That's better than any of my practice tests by 2 points.
Title: Re: post your score here
Post by: ElizaB on October 22, 2004, 06:42:22 PM
166.  I'm not overjoyed but I'm not devastated either.  I am, however, pissed about the scale.  The same number wrong would have given me a 168 or a 169 on some of the recent past tests!!!!!!  By the way, did anyone check out their writing sample.  My penmanship looked like that of a two year old!  I think my hand had started cramping at that point.

The Oct test was easier.  You can't compare tests in that manner.

Did you actually take the test?  If not, then you don't really know that, do you?  FYI...they set the scale before anyone actually takes the test so it has nothing to do with how people actually score on the test during the actual administration.
Title: Re: post your score here
Post by: DandA on October 22, 2004, 06:47:19 PM
160 in Oct 02, 163 on this one.  I moved up from the 82nd %tile to the 90th, but I'm not even sure I want to waste my 70 bucks on UT now.  Sigh.  What a waste of time. 

I only missed 2 on the games (which I thought killed me) and NINE in RC!
Title: Re: post your score here
Post by: Doubledown Trent on October 22, 2004, 06:49:18 PM
164.  I had been getting 166-169 on the later practice tests.  I shouldn't take it again, though, right?
Title: Re: post your score here
Post by: GULCbound on October 22, 2004, 06:50:11 PM
171... i am going to get bombed and wake up tomorrow and check again and make sure it is still there.

i hope you all kicked ass!!! this trashes the "everyone who didnt find out didnt break 160" theory.
Title: Re: post your score here
Post by: allabashi on October 22, 2004, 06:51:21 PM
172 -- I was hoping for 175-176. I already registered for the December administration.
Title: Re: post your score here
Post by: imtheantelope on October 22, 2004, 06:56:31 PM
Doubledown... in my opinion, and what do I know... take it, congratulations, and move on man.... there are A LOT of great schools you can get in to with that and you can still make the starting salary you would make with from schools that require a higher score... why chance it by taking it again?  Im not saying youll score lower but you may score marginally above, thus making the second attempt nothing constructive but rather something "negative" for the admissions people.

Be happy, go out and celebrate...
Title: Re: post your score here
Post by: Doubledown Trent on October 22, 2004, 07:02:00 PM
Doubledown... in my opinion, and what do I know... take it, congratulations, and move on man.... there are A LOT of great schools you can get in to with that and you can still make the starting salary you would make with from schools that require a higher score... why chance it by taking it again? Im not saying youll score lower but you may score marginally above, thus making the second attempt nothing constructive but rather something "negative" for the admissions people.

Be happy, go out and celebrate...

Thanks, man.  Yeah, I should accept the fact that I'm not a 170+ guy and move on.  I'm so freakin tired of the lsat's anyway.  Thanks for the reaffirmation.  I'll toast you before my first drink.
Title: Re: post your score here
Post by: NYesq2B on October 22, 2004, 07:03:10 PM
164


blech, but i'll live :(
Title: Re: post your score here
Post by: imtheantelope on October 22, 2004, 07:05:12 PM
no problem... and please do toast me... i need all the help i can get... and unlike a lot of people on here, I MEAN THAT!


good luck to u
Title: Re: post your score here
Post by: Doubledown Trent on October 22, 2004, 07:06:01 PM
164


blech, but i'll live :(

NY, I'm with you, but you should read antelope's advice and feel better.
Title: Re: post your score here
Post by: AaronJ on October 22, 2004, 07:08:54 PM
  FYI...they set the scale before anyone actually takes the test so it has nothing to do with how people actually score on the test during the actual administration.

This is so wrong it is not even funny.  How could you possibly predict the exact percentage of people who would score above a 167?  A 169 is always the 97.5th percentile, for example.
Title: Re: post your score here
Post by: Koga on October 22, 2004, 07:09:45 PM
I got a 171 and am absolutely ecstatic about it.  I had been scoring between 165-171 on practice tests, and fully expected to score on the lower end of that spectrum.

[Edit: nevermind, I am an idiot.]

Congrats to you, wstaffor and draino.
Title: Re: post your score here
Post by: TheDecline on October 22, 2004, 07:10:14 PM
166.  I'm not overjoyed but I'm not devastated either.  I am, however, pissed about the scale.  The same number wrong would have given me a 168 or a 169 on some of the recent past tests!!!!!!  By the way, did anyone check out their writing sample.  My penmanship looked like that of a two year old!  I think my hand had started cramping at that point.

The Oct test was easier.  You can't compare tests in that manner.

Did you actually take the test? If not, then you don't really know that, do you? FYI...they set the scale before anyone actually takes the test so it has nothing to do with how people actually score on the test during the actual administration.

Yes, I do know.  The scale proves that the test was relatively easier than some of the previous tests.  You can't transpose your raw score onto another more difficult test, and say that you would have done better on another test.  Those scales are for more difficult tests.  They aren't interchangeable.
Title: Re: post your score here
Post by: imtheantelope on October 22, 2004, 07:11:16 PM
nyesq... where in ny? ... nyc by chance?
Title: Re: post your score here
Post by: lexylit on October 22, 2004, 07:19:09 PM
Yes, I do know.  The scale proves that the test was relatively easier than some of the previous tests.  You can't transpose your raw score onto another more difficult test, and say that you would have done better on another test.  Those scales are for more difficult tests.  They aren't interchangeable.

well put.
Title: Re: post your score here
Post by: krhunt on October 22, 2004, 07:20:09 PM
I got a 170, with a raw score of 90.  I missed 3 in section 1 (questions 14, 18, 20), 5(!) in section 3 (11, 20, 21, 22, 25), 1 in section 4 (16) and 1 in section 5 (4).

All in all I'm pretty content with the score, although my practice scores really led me to believe I'd get more along the lines of a mid-170 (I scored 166, 167, 175, 174, 171, 176, 180 on my practices).  Still, it's tough to complain with a 98th percentile score.

I can't believe I missed 5 in a single section, though.  I hadn't done that in any practice since the very first one I took.
Title: Re: post your score here
Post by: TheDecline on October 22, 2004, 07:21:23 PM
Yes, I do know.  The scale proves that the test was relatively easier than some of the previous tests.  You can't transpose your raw score onto another more difficult test, and say that you would have done better on another test.  Those scales are for more difficult tests.  They aren't interchangeable.

well put.

thanks.   ;D
Title: Re: post your score here
Post by: Candide on October 22, 2004, 07:21:45 PM
  FYI...they set the scale before anyone actually takes the test so it has nothing to do with how people actually score on the test during the actual administration.

This is so wrong it is not even funny.  How could you possibly predict the exact percentage of people who would score above a 167?  A 169 is always the 97.5th percentile, for example.

Actually, you're wrong.  When LSAC sets the scale they're not "predicting," they're basing it on prior test-takers' performances on experimental sections.  Search around on the LSAC site if you don't believe me.
Title: Re: post your score here
Post by: Fred Hits on October 22, 2004, 07:22:12 PM
why are all the new people getting scores? ???
Title: Re: post your score here
Post by: GULCbound on October 22, 2004, 07:28:44 PM
Yah I scored in the mid to upper 170's on my practice tests... unfortunately, the real test doesn't pan out that way... i mean look at all the people on this site alone scoring in that range... it wouldnt be possible for the real test since those scores are 99.9 percentile... just not that many people do that on test day. sucks. but oh well.

I feel like I am the only one who is HAPPY with my 171... there are so many 172's claiming retakes... shhhhhhh enjoy.
Title: Re: post your score here
Post by: ScurvyWench on October 22, 2004, 07:32:17 PM
152. Goodbye everything. Hello my $1200 back from Kaplan. The scale was harsh, but I still screwed it all up. It's really too bad that the essay isn't scored, it's the only thing I did well on. It's the only thing I EVER do well on . . .

Now everyone can feel better because they can just compare themselves to me.  :-[
Title: Re: post your score here
Post by: Mrs Malaprop on October 22, 2004, 07:32:51 PM
177. Raw score: 96.

It was that damned nerve-growth whatever reading passage that got me - missed 3 of those questions somehow, just as I feared I would. But I lucked out and did better than usual on everything else - missed one LR, no LG. I did manage a couple of 180's in the last week of practice, but on the actual exam? Never thought I'd be able to hold it together. Hadn't taken a standardized test since the GRE in back in 1993.

Sorry to crow, but I've waited a long time for this. And now this old chick is pretty damn psyched. ;D

-mm
Title: Re: post your score here
Post by: long_gone on October 22, 2004, 07:36:40 PM
158, didn't score so badly since the third practice test.  Horrible scale for people who can't do games.
Title: Re: post your score here
Post by: caffeine and nicotine addict on October 22, 2004, 07:37:30 PM
169 - Not exactly what I'd hoped for, but maybe we can work with it.   :-\
Title: Re: post your score here
Post by: Guy Incognito on October 22, 2004, 07:39:38 PM
171, am one of the few who are happy about it.   

Title: Re: post your score here
Post by: Fred Hits on October 22, 2004, 07:42:45 PM
164 seems like they are coming in droves now
oh well mission accopmlished- wouldnt have minded doing a bit better but i will take it in a heartbeat- now i at least have a shot at top 30 schools
Title: Re: post your score here
Post by: vegemitemama on October 22, 2004, 07:43:47 PM
164. I'm happy with that. :)
Title: Re: post your score here
Post by: _EKC_ on October 22, 2004, 07:44:23 PM
finally. 174. funny thing is, i decided yesterday i'm postponing law school another year.
Title: Re: post your score here
Post by: TheDecline on October 22, 2004, 07:45:44 PM
congrats.  :)
Title: Re: post your score here
Post by: AaronJ on October 22, 2004, 07:47:22 PM
Actually, you're wrong.  When LSAC sets the scale they're not "predicting," they're basing it on prior test-takers' performances on experimental sections.  Search around on the LSAC site if you don't believe me.

Actually, I am 100% correct.  The tracking of expirementals provides the LSAC with a rough estimate of where scores will be.  They take that into consideration only when the construct the test i.e. they now based on the past that the distribution of scores will be roughly normal.

Now, when it comes to the actual test scale it would be absolutely absurd for the LSAC to contruct a distribution based on some past predictive measure.  This is what would happen; LSAC says for this test, based on how difficult we think it will roughly be, "an 88 will yield a conversion score of 167".  "Oh *&^%" says LSAC.  "Guess what, 10% of actual scores came in above that mark".  Well "@#!* it" says LSAC.  "Lets just cram 10% of our test takers into what is already established as a mark for the top 4.3%".  

Do you see why this is impossible?  To reiterate, when it comes to the actual scale a rough estimate is known ahead of time for the purpose of keeping the test consistent over time and that is all.  Your normalized LSAC score depends entirely upon how your peers did.  


 
Title: Re: post your score here
Post by: TheDecline on October 22, 2004, 07:52:32 PM
Superiorlobe must not have broken 165. 

It's ok Superiorlobe, you're still welcome.   ;)
Title: Re: post your score here
Post by: BAFF213 on October 22, 2004, 07:53:11 PM
BAFF I think you're in the long list of people retaking here. I'll be in the same boat, I guessed B for every single question in the science reading, so that's at least 5 wrong unless there was divine intervention.

WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE EEEEE. Dec 4th here we come.

yea i think im gonna sign up for december.  the only thing is that im wondering if i need until june to study more (but i want to apply for this year).
Title: Re: post your score here
Post by: Koga on October 22, 2004, 07:58:30 PM
finally. 174. funny thing is, i decided yesterday i'm postponing law school another year.

Excellent!  I had really hoped you'd get a score like that.  I'm kind of disappointed that you aren't applying until next year, though(I'm sure that this makes no sense to you, but there is a method to my madness....)
Title: Re: post your score here
Post by: desmo on October 22, 2004, 08:01:59 PM
Superiorlobe must not have broken 165. 

It's ok Superiorlobe, you're still welcome.   ;)

But still subject to abuse.
Title: Re: post your score here
Post by: Dangermouse on October 22, 2004, 08:07:08 PM
omg superiorlobe must not be feeling so hot right now, I wouldn't be surprised if he never posted again.
Title: Re: post your score here
Post by: Candide on October 22, 2004, 08:14:29 PM
Actually, you're wrong.  When LSAC sets the scale they're not "predicting," they're basing it on prior test-takers' performances on experimental sections.  Search around on the LSAC site if you don't believe me.

Actually, I am 100% correct.  The tracking of expirementals provides the LSAC with a rough estimate of where scores will be.  They take that into consideration only when the construct the test i.e. they now based on the past that the distribution of scores will be roughly normal.

Now, when it comes to the actual test scale it would be absolutely absurd for the LSAC to contruct a distribution based on some past predictive measure.  This is what would happen; LSAC says for this test, based on how difficult we think it will roughly be, "an 88 will yield a conversion score of 167".  "Oh *&^%" says LSAC.  "Guess what, 10% of actual scores came in above that mark".  Well "@#!* it" says LSAC.  "Lets just cram 10% of our test takers into what is already established as a mark for the top 4.3%".  

Do you see why this is impossible?  To reiterate, when it comes to the actual scale a rough estimate is known ahead of time for the purpose of keeping the test consistent over time and that is all.  Your normalized LSAC score depends entirely upon how your peers did.  

LSAT Registration Book, first page: "the unscored section typically is used to pretest new test items and to preequate new test forms."

If you've already received your LSAT score, go to the "IRR Additional Information Document" in the account status area.  The table proves that what you are saying is absolutely incorrect.  One column shows "scaled scores" and the other shows "Percent Below for LSAT 2001-2004."  Each scaled score does not equate to an exact *actual-test* percentile, but test-by-test these scaled scores have very similar *actual-test* percentiles, which are all averaged to create this table.
Title: Re: post your score here
Post by: alannauf on October 22, 2004, 08:17:12 PM
Hey Guys,
I just wanted to say congrats to all of you who survived through the lsat. You should all be happy with your scores. I haven't seen one yet, that can't take someone where they want to go. -Alanna  :)
Title: Re: post your score here
Post by: dr_draino on October 22, 2004, 08:17:56 PM
Aaron, I don't understand why you're so certain on this matter.  Could 97% not mean 97% of EVERYONE that's ever taken that section, whether it was on the "real" test this October or as an experimental?  I still stand by my arguemnt from weeks ago that it makes much much much much much much (much x 1000) more sense to have the scale reflect ALL of the people that have taken those sections so that you're comparing against a larger pool rather than just comparing October 04 against October 04...this way we are on level playing field with the June takers in case we just happened to have a smart crop take it in Oct. b/c now the test is scaled against years of test takers.  Unless you're gonna post a link to where LSAC states what you argue, don't say you're 100% certain.

Actually, you're wrong.  When LSAC sets the scale they're not "predicting," they're basing it on prior test-takers' performances on experimental sections.  Search around on the LSAC site if you don't believe me.

Actually, I am 100% correct.  The tracking of expirementals provides the LSAC with a rough estimate of where scores will be.  They take that into consideration only when the construct the test i.e. they now based on the past that the distribution of scores will be roughly normal.

Now, when it comes to the actual test scale it would be absolutely absurd for the LSAC to contruct a distribution based on some past predictive measure.  This is what would happen; LSAC says for this test, based on how difficult we think it will roughly be, "an 88 will yield a conversion score of 167".  "Oh *&^%" says LSAC.  "Guess what, 10% of actual scores came in above that mark".  Well "@#!* it" says LSAC.  "Lets just cram 10% of our test takers into what is already established as a mark for the top 4.3%".  

Do you see why this is impossible?  To reiterate, when it comes to the actual scale a rough estimate is known ahead of time for the purpose of keeping the test consistent over time and that is all.  Your normalized LSAC score depends entirely upon how your peers did.  


 
Title: Re: post your score here
Post by: _EKC_ on October 22, 2004, 08:20:14 PM
thanks koga:) there's a method to my madness too - the farther away I get from undergrad, the less important my 2.8 will be. (with a 174 I should really be looking at t14, but a 2.8 keeps me out of most). in the next year, i can write an amazing PS, get my LORs in and ready, and do a lot of volunteer work. I might even take a couple grad level classes. But I'm enjoying my new job a LOT and there are some really good opportunities (financially, especially) if I stick around another year.

please elaborate on the "method to your madness"...

finally. 174. funny thing is, i decided yesterday i'm postponing law school another year.

Excellent!  I had really hoped you'd get a score like that.  I'm kind of disappointed that you aren't applying until next year, though(I'm sure that this makes no sense to you, but there is a method to my madness....)
Title: Re: post your score here
Post by: desmo on October 22, 2004, 08:20:32 PM
The PERCENTILE rank is based on the last three years.  
The CONVERSION table is based on the actual test.
Title: Re: post your score here
Post by: AMB22 on October 22, 2004, 08:23:22 PM
Congratulations on the score Draino, maybe we'll end up at the same school, where are you applying?
Title: Re: post your score here
Post by: dr_draino on October 22, 2004, 08:26:18 PM
Congratulations on the score Draino, maybe we'll end up at the same school, where are you applying?

Definitely applying to:  Franklin Pierce, Northeastern, BU and BC
Picking two or three more from:  U.Conn, Temple, GW, G-town (?) Northwestern (??)
Title: Re: post your score here
Post by: andyh21 on October 22, 2004, 08:27:39 PM
I finally got my score. A 166 which I'm happy with since it is 4 points higher than I ever scored on a practice test. Somehow I only missed 4 on games, usually I miss double digits on games.
Title: Re: post your score here
Post by: quickone on October 22, 2004, 08:28:21 PM
174--consistent with my practice scores but a lot better than i thought i did on test day.  i think i got lucky with a few guesses.
Title: Re: post your score here
Post by: AMB22 on October 22, 2004, 08:30:45 PM
I might apply to BU and BC depending on what I hear back from some schools in December. I already applied to Temple and am going to apply to Gtown soon. Why arent you shooting any higher Draino, like t14, bad ugpa or something?


Congratulations on the score Draino, maybe we'll end up at the same school, where are you applying?

Definitely applying to:  Franklin Pierce, Northeastern, BU and BC
Picking two or three more from:  U.Conn, Temple, GW, G-town (?) Northwestern (??)
Title: Re: post your score here
Post by: AaronJ on October 22, 2004, 08:34:18 PM
You are simply misenterpreting and misunderstanding what you read.  Again, I reiterate that is in reference to tracking the performance of the test across time and keeping it consistent.

Again, it is simply mathematically impossible to preset a curve.  100% not possible although it can be roughed in by LSAC because they are experts in the field of standardized testing.

Desmo points out something I did not know but that is consitent with what I said for the most part.  So the percentile ranking acounts for the past three years with some sort of moving average but that does not mean that they can say ahead of testing where people are going to land.  

RE: The conversion is based on actuall test takers.    

  
Title: Re: post your score here
Post by: dr_draino on October 22, 2004, 08:35:18 PM
I won't repost my stats, but suffice it to say I'm a unique applicant with some big pluses and a big minus (2.87 gpa).  I know for very specific reasons that I want to practice in Boston, thus the Boston-centricity of my choices.
Title: Re: post your score here
Post by: dr_draino on October 22, 2004, 08:36:30 PM
AaronJ I must say I'm impressed with your dedication to your cause and your willingness to always go down with the sinking ship.
Title: Re: post your score here
Post by: ghostpirate on October 22, 2004, 08:40:56 PM
177
Title: Re: post your score here
Post by: AaronJ on October 22, 2004, 08:42:42 PM
Draino, averaging over three years does not mean what you think it means. 

RE: The conversion is based on the actaul test.
Title: Re: post your score here
Post by: labyrinths on October 22, 2004, 08:45:05 PM
I really really thought I was smarter than a 166, but clearly I'm not, and it's kind of comforting to finally know for sure.  I'm at peace - but I've only vaguely considered law school.  I took the lsats because I like tests, and because as a graphic design undergrad, I'm interested in litigation infographics.  I'm hoping a decent lsat score will impress the downtown legal arts communications group.  

Good luck to everyone with the rest of your lives, which will probably be more fulfilling and illustrious than mine.  You have all been (even when you didn't know it or didn't intend it) a true friend and comfort.  

Ya'll are sharp.  Kick ass in law school, and I'm going to go watch the Ali G movie "Ali G Inda House"  Buyakasha!
Title: Re: post your score here
Post by: Dumb_Jock on October 22, 2004, 08:45:53 PM
165-   for some reason I decided that 8th century came before 10th century and lost 5 points, plus I apparently forgot to guess  1 on the games so ended up with 15/22.

Hey Matthew 24 24 I am applying to UAlberta too. do you think I'll be ok
Title: Re: post your score here
Post by: desmo on October 22, 2004, 08:46:28 PM
AaronJ I must say I'm impressed with your dedication to your cause and your willingness to always go down with the sinking ship.

draino - I'm not sure why you think AJ is sinking.  "The percentile for a score is based on the distribution of scores for the three-year period prior to the year in which the score is reported."  The curve has to be based on the actual test given, it can't include other tests.

Without full knowledge I'll throw this one out there.  Are there different conversion tables for each test form.  LSAC states that the test forms are equated to account for "minor differences in difficulty between test forms"  So could a score of 91 = 171 on one form and 170 on another?
Title: Re: post your score here
Post by: dr_draino on October 22, 2004, 08:47:11 PM
I tried editing my post after having re-read that earlier post rather than skimming it but kept getting kicked off.  Makes sense and I apologize for the ass-holeish post.
Title: Re: post your score here
Post by: Shardik on October 22, 2004, 08:48:36 PM
157 and none to happy.  I knew that i was not going to ever hit 170's but 165 was what i was expecting.  Anyways here's a shot of rum for all of you.
Title: Re: post your score here
Post by: desmo on October 22, 2004, 08:48:58 PM
I tried editing my post after having re-read that earlier post rather than skimming it but kept getting kicked off.  Makes sense and I apologize for the ass-holeish post.

IMHO you're still small time when it comes to being an a-hole
Title: Re: post your score here
Post by: dr_draino on October 22, 2004, 08:52:11 PM
My question to both Desmo and AaronJ is this:  why must the curve only be from test takers in October?  Couldn't they just pool every example of the LR1, LR2, RC and AR together to get a composite pool from several years to build the curve from?  I wouldn't think the curve would have to be consistent from test-form to test-form, you would just need the curve representing # missed by everyone whose ever taken each of the sections and could then build from that?
Title: Re: post your score here
Post by: dr_draino on October 22, 2004, 08:52:51 PM
I tried editing my post after having re-read that earlier post rather than skimming it but kept getting kicked off.  Makes sense and I apologize for the ass-holeish post.

IMHO you're still small time when it comes to being an a-hole

You're right, I'm much more of a total bastard than an a-hole...
Title: Re: post your score here
Post by: Hurley97 on October 22, 2004, 08:53:55 PM
I didn't do well, even though I thought I performed great when I left the test center.  I am pretty depressed right now. I don't know what I am going to do.
Title: Re: post your score here
Post by: AaronJ on October 22, 2004, 08:54:44 PM
Without full knowledge I'll throw this one out there.  Are there different conversion tables for each test form.  LSAC states that the test forms are equated to account for "minor differences in difficulty between test forms"  So could a score of 91 = 171 on one form and 170 on another?

Desmo, if X equals the percentage test takers who's score leaves (1-X) percent of test takers in their dust and this X percentage of people scored 90; 90=170 whereas on a past test perhaps 91 was scored by X percent of people.

Draino, no worries.  

btw-I too am having the worst time trying to post.
Title: Re: post your score here
Post by: daj857 on October 22, 2004, 08:55:18 PM
169! yes! i'm psyched! my highest practice was 167 (but i only did 6...) oh well, damn i'm happy!
Title: Re: post your score here
Post by: Gummibearz on October 22, 2004, 08:57:36 PM
I didn't do well, even though I thought I performed great when I left the test center.  I am pretty depressed right now. I don't know what I am going to do.

i'm definitely depressed as well.  my only solution seems to be retaking it in dec.  oh woe is me.
Title: Re: post your score here
Post by: desmo on October 22, 2004, 08:58:36 PM
Without full knowledge I'll throw this one out there.  Are there different conversion tables for each test form.  LSAC states that the test forms are equated to account for "minor differences in difficulty between test forms"  So could a score of 91 = 171 on one form and 170 on another?

Desmo, if X equals the percentage test takers who's score leaves (1-X) percent of test takers in their dust and this X percentage of people scored 90; 90=170 whereas on a past test perhaps 91 was scored by X percent of people.

Draino, no worries.  

btw-I too am having the worst time trying to post.

ok AJ, it's late, I'm tired, I don't follow how your post answers my question - did you mean to direct it to draino?
Title: Re: post your score here
Post by: Rizz98 on October 22, 2004, 09:00:33 PM
165, equal to my first sit-down test and 6-8 points below my average practice tests. What a waste. Getting 5 questions wrong IN A ROW on the first LR will do that to you.

Totally blew it, worst-case scenario, but screw it, I'm not going to retake it in December. Apps are on their way, time to take my chances, what will be will be.
Title: Re: post your score here
Post by: dr_draino on October 22, 2004, 09:03:01 PM
Desmo, I don't understand your question...the test is the test...only one form.  The order of the sections might differ but everyone has the same test.

Alright Aaron, our difference is in how to interpert the %ile scale:  I don't necessarily assume that it is a direct correlation between people that took the full test...there are statistically valid ways to assemble that composite, I believe, so I would think both would be possible, but the %ile would definitely mean something a little different in each case.
Title: Re: post your score here
Post by: AaronJ on October 22, 2004, 09:05:27 PM
My question to both Desmo and AaronJ is this:  why must the curve only be from test takers in October?  Couldn't they just pool every example of the LR1, LR2, RC and AR together to get a composite pool from several years to build the curve from?  I wouldn't think the curve would have to be consistent from test-form to test-form, you would just need the curve representing # missed by everyone whose ever taken each of the sections and could then build from that?

See my algebraic example.  All past score data can do is allow the testmakers to keep building the same test.  Yes, your intuition is correct that they look at past examples and going forward have knowledge of how the test will go.

My only point has been that a dilemma would inevitably occur if the actuall score conversation where built ahead of time.  They know how difficult questions from past experimentals are going to be on average but they do not know necessarily how everyone will do the next time around.  Hence it is not possible to say from on high "Those who have a raw score of 88 shall be in the Xth percentile".  What do they do when they are wrong and X + e % score 88?.  e is what is reffered to as the standard error of measurement that comes along with this process.  It is the average distance the average test taker is away from some score.
Title: Re: post your score here
Post by: desmo on October 22, 2004, 09:07:15 PM
My question to both Desmo and AaronJ is this:  why must the curve only be from test takers in October?  Couldn't they just pool every example of the LR1, LR2, RC and AR together to get a composite pool from several years to build the curve from?  I wouldn't think the curve would have to be consistent from test-form to test-form, you would just need the curve representing # missed by everyone whose ever taken each of the sections and could then build from that?

if you included a hard test, it would benefit the people who had the easy test.  For example, I got 10 wrong in June and hit 172, 10 wrong in Oct puts me at (I think) 170 so it would appear that October was a slightly easier test - OR people did better on it which adjusted the curve slightly down.  If I lump June and Oct together then the October testers get bumped up slightly becasue June was harder.  To me, this wouldn't make sense.
Title: Re: post your score here
Post by: DOWNY on October 22, 2004, 09:09:21 PM
omg superiorlobe must not be feeling so hot right now, I wouldn't be surprised if he never posted again.

Good point, however he could always come on and tell everyone he got a 170+, even if he only had a 150. No one could prove it.
Title: Re: post your score here
Post by: AaronJ on October 22, 2004, 09:10:06 PM
Desmo, the answer is yes.  All I was trying to demonstate is that the raw score is not fixed with respect to the conversion chart.  Hence, one year 90 puts you in the desired percentile another year it takes 91 answer correct to get in that percentile.  It all depends on how Draino and everyone else does.
Title: Re: post your score here
Post by: desmo on October 22, 2004, 09:11:02 PM
Desmo, I don't understand your question...the test is the test...only one form.  The order of the sections might differ but everyone has the same test.

Alright Aaron, our difference is in how to interpert the %ile scale:  I don't necessarily assume that it is a direct correlation between people that took the full test...there are statistically valid ways to assemble that composite, I believe, so I would think both would be possible, but the %ile would definitely mean something a little different in each case.

The scored sections are the same, but the experimental varies, and the order varies.  Does LSAC figure a certain order is easier than another order.  Hey I admit, I'm a little sleep deprived.
Title: Re: post your score here
Post by: AaronJ on October 22, 2004, 09:14:42 PM
My question to both Desmo and AaronJ is this:  why must the curve only be from test takers in October?  Couldn't they just pool every example of the LR1, LR2, RC and AR together to get a composite pool from several years to build the curve from?  I wouldn't think the curve would have to be consistent from test-form to test-form, you would just need the curve representing # missed by everyone whose ever taken each of the sections and could then build from that?

if you included a hard test, it would benefit the people who had the easy test.  For example, I got 10 wrong in June and hit 172, 10 wrong in Oct puts me at (I think) 170 so it would appear that October was a slightly easier test - OR people did better on it which adjusted the curve slightly down.  If I lump June and Oct together then the October testers get bumped up slightly becasue June was harder.  To me, this wouldn't make sense.

Correct and yes they are professionals who build each test according to some subject measure of difficulty.  They know what is hard and what is easy although they seem to be consistent in how they order the degree of difficulty for each test.

Havent you noticed that LR questions tend to start easy, get harder around 8-12 and then again around 18-22 they get really f-ing hard.  You can bet that they do this to maximize your pain and strain.  They dont seem to deviate from this very often at all.
Title: Re: post your score here
Post by: desmo on October 22, 2004, 09:15:15 PM
omg superiorlobe must not be feeling so hot right now, I wouldn't be surprised if he never posted again.

Good point, however he could always come on and tell everyone he got a 170+, even if he only had a 150. No one could prove it.

Man, this new DOWNY scares me, it's like you've been taken over by aliens.
Title: Re: post your score here
Post by: foxnewssucks on October 22, 2004, 09:16:48 PM
omg superiorlobe must not be feeling so hot right now, I wouldn't be surprised if he never posted again.

Good point, however he could always come on and tell everyone he got a 170+, even if he only had a 150. No one could prove it.

Man, this new DOWNY scares me, it's like you've been taken over by aliens.

i think that DOWNY is in love.
Title: Re: post your score here
Post by: jayhawk on October 22, 2004, 09:17:19 PM
For those of you that are arguing about whether or not the scale is set before the test is given, and whether or not your percentile is your score compared to other testakers at the same test, or over a longer period of time, this might be useful:


http://www.powerscore.com/lsat/help/scale.htm
Title: Re: post your score here
Post by: penultimatelama on October 22, 2004, 09:19:57 PM
     166, probably need to take it again to get into wisconsin but need to focus on my gpa more than my lsat at this point.  

     congrats to everyone and to those who didn't do as well as they'd hope, you may not get into harvard now but there are plenty of good law schools in the country where you can get a good education.
Title: Re: post your score here
Post by: AaronJ on October 22, 2004, 09:20:33 PM
For those of you that are arguing about whether or not the scale is set before the test is given, and whether or not your percentile is your score compared to other testakers at the same test, or over a longer period of time, this might be useful:


http://www.powerscore.com/lsat/help/scale.htm


Thank you Jay.  That puts things in much more straight forward language then I seem to be capable of.
Title: Re: post your score here
Post by: desmo on October 22, 2004, 09:22:24 PM
For those of you that are arguing about whether or not the scale is set before the test is given, and whether or not your percentile is your score compared to other testakers at the same test, or over a longer period of time, this might be useful:


http://www.powerscore.com/lsat/help/scale.htm


thanks, but I wish you had posted this about 20 mintues ago :)
Title: Re: post your score here
Post by: jayhawk on October 22, 2004, 09:23:18 PM
Aaron:
 Actually, I think it goes against what you were saying.  It says that the conversion chart is basically set before the test is given, and then only minor changes are made afterwards to make sure the percentiles are accurate.  Also, it says that you are not compared only with the people taking the test at the same time as you, but with the people over a longer period of time.
Title: Re: post your score here
Post by: Rufiooo on October 22, 2004, 09:26:41 PM
Well I got a 173... I was honestly hoping for better but I'm generally happy with the score!  Anywhere in this area makes me a happy boy.
 ;D
Title: Re: post your score here
Post by: DOWNY on October 22, 2004, 09:27:01 PM
omg superiorlobe must not be feeling so hot right now, I wouldn't be surprised if he never posted again.

Good point, however he could always come on and tell everyone he got a 170+, even if he only had a 150. No one could prove it.

Man, this new DOWNY scares me, it's like you've been taken over by aliens.


No, DOWNY is just exhausted as a 1L, is sleep-deprived and was threatened with having my account banned, yet again.

No worries, in due time the old DOWNY will return will lots of drunken profanity aimed at all the douchefuckers on this site. Douchefuckers, don't think I don't know who are you.

Hm...would one of you boners make some fake troll accounts that I can battle with? I AM getting bored lately.
Title: Re: post your score here
Post by: lexylit on October 22, 2004, 09:29:00 PM
Hm...would one of you boners make some fake troll accounts that I can battle with? I AM getting bored lately.

speaking of boners and trolling, have we ever had a... lady troll? a trollette? i can't think of any...
Title: Re: post your score here
Post by: AaronJ on October 22, 2004, 09:29:34 PM
Aaron:
 Actually, I think it goes against what you were saying.  It says that the conversion chart is basically set before the test is given, and then only minor changes are made afterwards to make sure the percentiles are accurate.  Also, it says that you are not compared only with the people taking the test at the same time as you, but with the people over a longer period of time.

Note "supposedly set before hand".  In other words what I said holds because, and I repeat, having data based on the past tells test makers what to expect.  The process of normalizing results when their best estimate of how people will respond to the test is incorrect.  In other words, this reinforces the fact that standardized testing is a very predictable art and LSAC can go ahead with confidence each time they build a test with the knowledge that they are constructing the test they want to administer.

RE:  They are good at what they do but they CANNOT pre-set a curve.
Title: Re: post your score here
Post by: desmo on October 22, 2004, 09:34:37 PM
I agree but don't give a *&^% about the arguement anymore.  It's 11:30 and I'm going to bed - plus I'm tired of having to login every 10 f-ing minutes because Andrew CAN"T GET HIS *&^% TOGETHER.
Title: Re: post your score here
Post by: AaronJ on October 22, 2004, 09:36:13 PM
Ditto
Title: Re: post your score here
Post by: Ambs on October 22, 2004, 09:37:13 PM
168 and a little bummed. I was aiming for 170. My practice tests had been from 168-172. Raw score was 88. I managed to do well on the RC but screwed up on my LR which I was usually good at. I'm not going to retake but it limits my schools by a bit. :-(
Title: Re: post your score here
Post by: jayhawk on October 22, 2004, 09:37:28 PM
Actually, you're wrong.  When LSAC sets the scale they're not "predicting," they're basing it on prior test-takers' performances on experimental sections.  Search around on the LSAC site if you don't believe me.

Actually, I am 100% correct.  The tracking of expirementals provides the LSAC with a rough estimate of where scores will be.  They take that into consideration only when the construct the test i.e. they now based on the past that the distribution of scores will be roughly normal.

Now, when it comes to the actual test scale it would be absolutely absurd for the LSAC to contruct a distribution based on some past predictive measure.  This is what would happen; LSAC says for this test, based on how difficult we think it will roughly be, "an 88 will yield a conversion score of 167".  "Oh *&^%" says LSAC.  "Guess what, 10% of actual scores came in above that mark".  Well "@#!* it" says LSAC.  "Lets just cram 10% of our test takers into what is already established as a mark for the top 4.3%". 

Do you see why this is impossible?  To reiterate, when it comes to the actual scale a rough estimate is known ahead of time for the purpose of keeping the test consistent over time and that is all.  Your normalized LSAC score depends entirely upon how your peers did. 


 

This is actually the post I was referring to.  Your stance seemed to shift a bit later on in the conversation, with your opinion moving more towards the "LSAC can mostly predict how people will do, but not perfectly" argument.  I think that you have been contradicting yourself a bit.
Title: Re: post your score here
Post by: Javert on October 22, 2004, 09:40:26 PM
169. Significiantly below my practice tests, but good enough for a few T15s.
Title: Re: post your score here
Post by: AaronJ on October 22, 2004, 09:42:18 PM
No and I made this point several weeks ago in exactly the same fashion.  I meerly lacked the knowledge that they roll three years of data into the percentile rankings.  My fundemental arguement is the same.

I have used the "good at what they do" language in backing up my arguement in the past.

<<The tracking of expirementals provides the LSAC with a rough estimate of where scores will be.  They take that into consideration only when the construct the test i.e. they now based on the past that the distribution of scores will be roughly normal.>>


Edit:  The use of an exteme example was meant to drive the larger point home.
Title: Re: post your score here
Post by: scurred1 on October 22, 2004, 09:49:35 PM
160. At least the Sox won.
Title: Re: post your score here
Post by: dr_draino on October 22, 2004, 10:12:31 PM
Aaron, now I will say you're going down with a sinking ship.  All the things you are saying are impossible are completely possible. 
Title: Re: post your score here
Post by: jayhawk on October 22, 2004, 10:17:03 PM
One last reply, and then we can agree to disagree.  It is entirely possible for everyone on one test date to be in the 30th percentile; that is the beauty of the system.  That way, the scale is not going to depend on whether or not the specific group of people that take the test at the same time as you is above or below average.  The percentiles that are given do not represent your percentile with regards to the people who took the test on the same date as you! They represent your percentile compared to all LSAT takers.  That way, a 170 in June is equal to a 170 in October and a 170 in June of 1998. 
Title: Re: post your score here
Post by: AaronJ on October 22, 2004, 10:19:20 PM
Oh my God

Draino, it holds when what the LSAC expects holds.  For the last time if you set the curve ahead of time and it doesnt work then according to the laws of everything in the universe you are screwed.  This is what adjusting for continuity is all about; to get over the inherent error in predicting something like this.  Like I said, if we all score 50 then thye didnt do a very good job os precurving did they?  See a statistics textbook.

This people are statisticians and psychometricians by trade.  

Now I am becoming assholeish.
Title: Re: post your score here
Post by: AaronJ on October 22, 2004, 10:24:24 PM
Really Jay?  So why then every time the test is administered does every score correspond to a unique percentile ranking?  Some tests a 85 means a 170=98th%ile and some tests a 90 yields that result.  They would have to, have to, curve way down if we all did horribly on a given test.  Apparently this would reflect the degree of difficulty of the test.
Title: Re: post your score here
Post by: TheDecline on October 22, 2004, 10:25:53 PM
I'd just like to point out that you are still debating the percentiles related to the LSAT at 1:30 on saturday morning. 
Title: Re: post your score here
Post by: ootme on October 22, 2004, 10:28:11 PM
SCORE UP (maybe other people too) 

167! OMG I screwed GAMES UP HARD LOL

9 wrong, i got 4 wrong on the rest of the test.  I suck so bad at games.

1 wrong on RC.  2 wrong on one LR and 1 wrong on the other.

Now...do i rewrite the f'n thing? 

Matt

Got what u needed at least
Title: Re: post your score here
Post by: Ninja on October 22, 2004, 10:32:03 PM
Well I got a 173... I was honestly hoping for better but I'm generally happy with the score!  Anywhere in this area makes me a happy boy.
 ;D

Good work.
Title: Re: post your score here
Post by: BAFF213 on October 22, 2004, 10:36:20 PM
SCORE UP (maybe other people too) 

167! OMG I screwed GAMES UP HARD LOL

9 wrong, i got 4 wrong on the rest of the test.  I suck so bad at games.

1 wrong on RC.  2 wrong on one LR and 1 wrong on the other.

Now...do i rewrite the f'n thing? 

Matt

Got what u needed at least

i f-ing aced the games and i still got a 155.  2 wrong on games is acing the games for me.  i have never done even close to that well on games (91%).  BUT i also have NEVER done even close to as poorly on the logical reasoning.  for some reason i completely blew the logical reasoning.  i ended up with a 64.5% average for both LR sections combined, which is completely horrible.  i always scored between 70 and 80% on LR, and I am completely shocked that 1)  i scored below 70% on LR and 2)  i got a 155.  the only question is whether to retake in december or june.  @#!* maybe i shouldnt even go to law school.
Title: Re: post your score here
Post by: jayhawk on October 22, 2004, 10:38:47 PM


One last reply, and then we can agree to disagree.  It is entirely possible for everyone on one test date to be in the 30th percentile; that is the beauty of the system.  That way, the scale is not going to depend on whether or not the specific group of people that take the test at the same time as you is above or below average.  The percentiles that are given do not represent your percentile with regards to the people who took the test on the same date as you! They represent your percentile compared to all LSAT takers.  That way, a 170 in June is equal to a 170 in October and a 170 in June of 1998. 

Really Jay?  So why then every time the test is administered does every score correspond to a unique percentile ranking?  Some tests a 85 means a 170=98th%ile and some tests a 90 yields that result.  They would have to, have to, curve way down if we all did horribly on a given test.  Apparently this would reflect the degree of difficulty of the test.

That is not what I'm saying.  What I am saying is that they preset the scale, so that before the test is administered, they know that 85 right will be a 170, or perhaps on a different test 90 will be 170.  Later, those results might be MINORLY adjusted.  This all goes back one of the arguments that you were trying to make, which I actually agreed with: LSAC knows what they are doing.  They have pretested all of the questions on thousands of people, and are therefore able to tell which are easy and which are difficult, and can make a complete test out of those and set a scale, such as 90 right = 170.  The harder challenge for them is to be able to make a certain score mean the same thing over different time periods, but that is why they must pretest and put so much work into equating tests.  If this were not the case, and LSAC just assigned the score based on percentile on each given test (i.e. you did better than 68% of the people that took the test in October, so you received XXX score) then the scores would not be comparable across different testing dates.  So, ad comms would not be able to compare someone with a June score to someone with an October score.
Title: Re: post your score here
Post by: jennynam on October 22, 2004, 10:40:55 PM
164


blech, but i'll live :(

NY, I'm with you, but you should read antelope's advice and feel better.

Doubledown and NY, I have a friend who's at Penn Law now and scored a 164. Don't beat yourselves up too much!
Title: Re: post your score here
Post by: AaronJ on October 22, 2004, 10:48:38 PM
Jay,

Ok, I havent diverged from that since this arguement started weeks maybe even months ago.  I previously believed that tracking the standard deviations across time was sufficient to account for difficulty and maintain comparibility across time.  Now I understand that they roll over three years of data into the percentile ranking (you can bet the stats get nasty here) however there is still some reason to wonder exactly how comperable scores out father than three years are.  However, based on their consistency in the way they ask questions and the things they test for, you can pretty much write this concern off.  So, practice tests scores from 1995 should give you a reasonable expectation for what you will score on a 2004 test although there seems to be concern that the test is actually changing significantly.  See the many "is RC harder now" and "why are games so different now" posts that have sprung up all over the place.

btw-this may actually give you reason to believe that the current trend will swing back toward a more 90ish style.  If you pay close attention you will notice that certain types of questions, like games in particular, come and go.

cool. ;)
Title: Re: post your score here
Post by: TDPookie1 on October 22, 2004, 10:51:43 PM
No, DOWNY is just exhausted as a 1L, is sleep-deprived and was threatened with having my account banned, yet again.

what?!   who threatened to have your account banned?   ???
Title: Re: post your score here
Post by: BIG H2001 on October 22, 2004, 10:57:25 PM
jayhawk girl is so hot
Title: Re: post your score here
Post by: Matokah on October 23, 2004, 12:22:01 AM
Raw score: 73
LSAT score: 156

Obviously, I feel like an idiot compared the other people who scored so much higher, but for me it's more of a personal victory.  There were practice tests that I took where I missed every.single.question on the logic games section.  I got an 18/22 on that section during the actual test.  That, and I'm one of those people who just sucks at standardized tests.  My ACT score was horrendous, and my Psych GRE score was in the 19th percentile range (HORRIBLE, considering I have a 4.0 average in my psych classes, including the graduate level ones). 

I'm still going to apply to 4-5 reach schools just for shits and giggles (and hope that my 3.819 GPA from uni and my 3.58 GPA from my 2 year degree that I got while I was in high school at age 16 and some of my random/unusual extracurriculars, etc. will set me apart.  Who knows?).  I've heard Berkeley looks more favorably on higher GPAs, and I know someone on this board got into Cornell with a 4.0uGPA/148 LSAT score.  &if not, I have plenty of target and safe schools that will hopefully accept someone like me.

Congratulations to all those who are happy with their scores.  I know it sounds dumb, but I'm fairly content with mine, as well (practice tests for me were ranging from 152-157, I believe).

lehitra'ot ve'layla tov.
Title: Re: post your score here
Post by: DOWNY on October 23, 2004, 02:25:33 AM
Noe of you fuckers can say *&^% to DOWQNY. I alm all over this shir. It wi ll be sorted out soon.

Pookie in response to your inquiry0 =- lots of fuckers douchers tried to tell andrew to ban me.

I have been banned before- I am surcied. I will survive agin. Not one of you fucks can challenge DOWNY. I AM LSD I AM THIS SITE BOW TO ME FUCKERS
Title: Re: post your score here
Post by: Koga on October 23, 2004, 02:32:54 AM
No, DOWNY is just exhausted as a 1L, is sleep-deprived and was threatened with having my account banned, yet again.

what?!   who threatened to have your account banned?   ???



A bunch of illiterate losers hate DOWNY.   I really hope Andrew sees through them.
Title: Re: post your score here
Post by: TDPookie1 on October 23, 2004, 02:51:11 AM
i didn't think it was possible to hate DOWNY.   ??? 

i told my sister DOWNY's story about shitting in a bag while drunk.  it was hilarious.

i feel guilty for talking about this on a thread about scores.  i usually have no issues with going way off topic, as the regulars are probably well aware, but since this is for LSAT scores, i'll let people get back to that.
Title: Re: post your score here
Post by: Dillon on October 23, 2004, 04:07:57 AM
Noe of you fuckers can say *&^% to DOWQNY. I alm all over this shir. It wi ll be sorted out soon.

Pookie in response to your inquiry0 =- lots of fuckers douchers tried to tell andrew to ban me.

I have been banned before- I am surcied. I will survive agin. Not one of you fucks can challenge DOWNY. I AM LSD I AM THIS SITE BOW TO ME FUCKERS

DOWNY, maybe you are tired because you are 1L and spend so much flip'n time on here. WTF?  The last place you will see me is here once I am 1L!!!! How do you have enough time?  I don't care what school you go to... anywho ...

So what did the 'lobe get; I must have missed it or is it "!" now? LOL
Title: Re: post your score here
Post by: ls77 on October 23, 2004, 05:39:21 AM
What's the scale below a 160?   Can someone please post it.
Thanks.
Title: Re: post your score here
Post by: goblue1213 on October 23, 2004, 06:24:29 AM
Can someone PLEASE send me the answers to each section.  I seriosly think that LSAC screwed up my report and put in the wrong test form number.  I took the test where it was 1.) LR 2.) Games (experimental) 3.) RC 4.) LR and 5.) Games.

HELP ME ASAP PLEASE!!!
Title: Re: post your score here
Post by: ElizaB on October 23, 2004, 06:44:19 AM
  FYI...they set the scale before anyone actually takes the test so it has nothing to do with how people actually score on the test during the actual administration.

This is so wrong it is not even funny.  How could you possibly predict the exact percentage of people who would score above a 167?  A 169 is always the 97.5th percentile, for example.

No, you are wrong!  Quote from the 2004-2005 LSAT & LSDAS Registration Book, page 13:
"The percentile for a score is based on the distribution of scores for the three-year period prior to the year in which the score is reported."

The LSAT Scale is set for a given test date is before anyone ever even takes that test on that given date.
Title: Re: post your score here
Post by: absy on October 23, 2004, 08:32:11 AM
No, you are wrong!  Quote from the 2004-2005 LSAT & LSDAS Registration Book, page 13:
"The percentile for a score is based on the distribution of scores for the three-year period prior to the year in which the score is reported."

The LSAT Scale is set for a given test date is before anyone ever even takes that test on that given date.

The set the percentile before anyone takes the test; they modify the scale to keep the percentile accurate.
Title: Re: post your score here
Post by: arc87 on October 23, 2004, 08:36:31 AM
167 got it - little pissed considering a retake.

Anyone know what this means with regards to applying now?

Can you send all your information and then make a note that you are retaking?

Will they consider this or is it a waste of time?
Title: Re: post your score here
Post by: ElizaB on October 23, 2004, 09:08:48 AM


One last reply, and then we can agree to disagree.  It is entirely possible for everyone on one test date to be in the 30th percentile; that is the beauty of the system.  That way, the scale is not going to depend on whether or not the specific group of people that take the test at the same time as you is above or below average.  The percentiles that are given do not represent your percentile with regards to the people who took the test on the same date as you! They represent your percentile compared to all LSAT takers.  That way, a 170 in June is equal to a 170 in October and a 170 in June of 1998. 

Really Jay?  So why then every time the test is administered does every score correspond to a unique percentile ranking?  Some tests a 85 means a 170=98th%ile and some tests a 90 yields that result.  They would have to, have to, curve way down if we all did horribly on a given test.  Apparently this would reflect the degree of difficulty of the test.

That is not what I'm saying.  What I am saying is that they preset the scale, so that before the test is administered, they know that 85 right will be a 170, or perhaps on a different test 90 will be 170.  Later, those results might be MINORLY adjusted.  This all goes back one of the arguments that you were trying to make, which I actually agreed with: LSAC knows what they are doing.  They have pretested all of the questions on thousands of people, and are therefore able to tell which are easy and which are difficult, and can make a complete test out of those and set a scale, such as 90 right = 170.  The harder challenge for them is to be able to make a certain score mean the same thing over different time periods, but that is why they must pretest and put so much work into equating tests.  If this were not the case, and LSAC just assigned the score based on percentile on each given test (i.e. you did better than 68% of the people that took the test in October, so you received XXX score) then the scores would not be comparable across different testing dates.  So, ad comms would not be able to compare someone with a June score to someone with an October score.
A note to all of the people argueing about score scales:

JayHawkGirl is 100% correct in saying that LSAC is attempting to make the same score mean the same thing throughout different periods of time and different tests.  However, no matter how much "pre-testing" the LSAC does, it does not mean that there tests are truly equal ("reliability" in statistics terms) or that they are even a very accurate predictor of law school performance (predictive validity in statistics terms).  There has been alot of research done on both (much of which has even been commissioned by the LSAC themselves) and the fact of the matter is that the test is neither all that reliable or all that valid.  The LSAC as much admits that and sends this bulletin to all of the law schools cautioning them against placing too much importance on the LSAT score.  Check out: http://www.lsacnet.com/lsac/publications/CAUTIONARYPolicies2003.pdf

I think that alot of people think that the LSAT is some great predictor of law school performance and that all tests are equal just because that is what they have been told or what they read in the book that is written by the people who give the test (who are the same people who make alot of $$$ off of giving the test) without researching it any further to truly discover that it isn't quit what they say it is.

Everyone's LSAT score has a standard error of measurement of 2.6 which the LSAC rounds up to 3.  Basically, if you get a 160, your score isn't really a 160.  It is a 157-163...and the LSAC even so much as says this in the above.  This means that this range of 6 points makes up the differences between different tests...not this score adjusting that goes on before anyone even takes the test.  If you went back and looked at the statistics on individual tests  you would find that the standard deciation from the mean varies a great deal from test to test.  Sometimes a whole lot of people score right around the mean and other times the scores are very spread out.  As I said in a previous post the percentages that the LSAC gives you on a particular test are not from the actual test that you took, they are from the last three years of tests!  

Pick up any educational testing statistics book and you will learn that the industry standard for a standardized test to be considered valid (in our case, how well a LSAT score predicts how a student's GPA in law school) is .7.  Even the studies/reports paid for by the LSAT show that the LSAT's predictive validity is only somewhere between .4 and .6...well below the industry standard of .7.  And beleive me, the studies that aren't paid for by the LSAT show the validity to be alot lower. (FYI - validity is measured between 0.0 and 1.0 with a 0.0 demonstrating no correlation and a 1.0 demonstrating a perfect correlation)  In other words, by their own admission, the LSAT is only accurate in predicting the performance of between 40 and 60 percent of law students.  
I got my statistics from:
Check out: http://www.lsacnet.org/lsac/research-reports/RR-99-05.pdf.  

You may ask, "If all of this is true, then why do the law schools put so much emphasis on the LSAT?"  The answer to that is that there is nothing better out there.

My original post that started all of this was that I said that I was pissed at the scale score and that I would have had a higher score on previous test and then a whole bunch of people had to jump in and tell me how I was wrong (when they didn't even know what they were talking about) and that the scores were reflective of how everyone else that took the test with me did...which they are not.  I maintain my opinionthat the scale screwed me over and that the test was not significantly easier than previous tests (even if though all of you who didn't even take it seem to think so) given in the past couple of years.  I think a lot of people who took the actual test would agree with me in this assertion!  And it did screw me over because I got one more right on this test than I did on a past test I took but made a 166 on it and a 168 on the one where I actually missed more and, for me, this test was more difficult than the other because my weakest section is RC and the RC section seemed more difficult on this test than on past tests (and I have had many people who actually took the test who agree with me).
Title: Re: post your score here
Post by: superiorlobe on October 23, 2004, 09:23:33 AM
172.  That is what I scored on almost all of my practice tests.  It is uncanny how this test has me pegged.
Title: Re: post your score here
Post by: NYesq2B on October 23, 2004, 09:28:23 AM
nyesq... where in ny? ... nyc by chance?

Long Island actually, at school in Maryland now.
Most of my top choices are in NYC though.
Title: Re: post your score here
Post by: midlife catharsis on October 23, 2004, 09:36:39 AM
166, 86 raw.  A good jump from my Feb 04 score of 158.

RC -1
LR -9
AR -4
Title: Re: post your score here
Post by: absy on October 23, 2004, 09:50:20 AM
congrats on the score, !. (I just wanted the excuse to have three different punctuation marks together)
Title: Re: post your score here
Post by: superiorlobe on October 23, 2004, 10:02:07 AM
I had my hopes up for a 174.  The only two times I broke 172 in practice were when I scored a 174 and a 176 both in the five days prior to the real test.  I think I was just starting to get the hang of it.  I know I messed up my reading comp time management on the test, so I think that is where I lost some points.  I'm still trying to figure out which section I screwed up on, though.
Title: Re: post your score here
Post by: AMB22 on October 23, 2004, 10:09:03 AM
Nice job Lobe, way to back it up with performance...you're going to get into a great school, congratualations!
Title: Re: post your score here
Post by: superiorlobe on October 23, 2004, 11:24:25 AM
Nice job Lobe, way to back it up with performance...you're going to get into a great school, congratualations!

Thanks for the kind words.  I appreciate it.
Title: Re: post your score here
Post by: absy on October 23, 2004, 11:47:20 AM
I was guessing a 172
Title: Re: post your score here
Post by: _EKC_ on October 23, 2004, 11:50:52 AM
lobe - strange, i had my hopes up for a 172.

so, did you have sex with the pretty girl yet? you know, the deal with god...

I had my hopes up for a 174.  The only two times I broke 172 in practice were when I scored a 174 and a 176 both in the five days prior to the real test.  I think I was just starting to get the hang of it.  I know I messed up my reading comp time management on the test, so I think that is where I lost some points.  I'm still trying to figure out which section I screwed up on, though.
Title: Re: post your score here
Post by: superiorlobe on October 23, 2004, 11:51:24 AM
I was too.  I'm not at all surprised.  I scored 172 so often in practice that scoring under 172 would have stung.  I was secretly hoping for a 174, but I'm satisfied and I think this score is an accurate indicator of my ability.
Title: Re: post your score here
Post by: lexylit on October 23, 2004, 11:53:36 AM
I was too.  I'm not at all surprised.  I scored 172 so often in practice that scoring under 172 would have stung.  I was secretly hoping for a 174, but I'm satisfied and I think this score is an accurate indicator of my ability.

so funny that people can be so consistent. i took two tests the weekend before the real thing and i got a 179 and a 164, my highest and lowest scores ever.
Title: Re: post your score here
Post by: superiorlobe on October 23, 2004, 11:54:02 AM
lobe - strange, i had my hopes up for a 172.

so, did you have sex with the pretty girl yet? you know, the deal with god...


Nope.  No sex with the pretty girl yet.  Perhaps God punished me for even thinking about it.  If my thoughts had been pure I might have achieved that very remarkable 174 which you got.
Title: Re: post your score here
Post by: superiorlobe on October 23, 2004, 11:56:43 AM
I was too.  I'm not at all surprised.  I scored 172 so often in practice that scoring under 172 would have stung.  I was secretly hoping for a 174, but I'm satisfied and I think this score is an accurate indicator of my ability.

so funny that people can be so consistent. i took two tests the weekend before the real thing and i got a 179 and a 164, my highest and lowest scores ever.

My last two practice tests were a 174 and a 176/177, so I had my hopes up.  I was just starting to break out of my 172 rut.  Oh well.  I think that with another month of 3-hour per day studying I could break into the mid 170s with good consistency, but it just isn't worth it.  Plus they will average it anyway.
Title: Re: post your score here
Post by: Guy Incognito on October 23, 2004, 12:02:37 PM
Congrats Superiorlobe.  You have made this site more interesting to read for sure. 

We both missed that stupid promulgate ideology question.  I would have missed it with 10 extra minutes. 
Title: Re: post your score here
Post by: Matthew_24_24 on October 23, 2004, 12:06:30 PM
From your previous posts of how many you thought i was guessing you'd get 169.   That curve was the sucketh.  Haha!

Matt
Title: Re: post your score here
Post by: defense on October 23, 2004, 12:07:02 PM
Congrats Superiorlobe.  I sent you a PM also.
Title: Re: post your score here
Post by: fingerscrossed on October 23, 2004, 12:12:46 PM
I got a 172!!!  I am really psyched.  I had been scoring 170-171 on the practice tests, but I really freaked out with the real test, came home and cried for hours, certain that all my studying was completely wasted.  I am very happy and extremely surprised.  Congrats to everyone else too!
Title: Re: post your score here
Post by: Tom on October 23, 2004, 12:29:31 PM
172.  That is what I scored on almost all of my practice tests.  It is uncanny how this test has me pegged.

Congratulations on your score, you did make it into the 170's!
Title: Re: post your score here
Post by: sordomudo on October 23, 2004, 12:32:01 PM
170... my last several tests were well into the 170's, w/ a 177 at the best, but I can't complain after I felt like I bombed it and the curve was so rough.  Zero on games, but that reading comp killed.  Anyone think I have a shot at U Chicago w/ a 3.67 GPA in Computer Science?
Title: Re: post your score here
Post by: Praetor on October 23, 2004, 01:45:54 PM
I knew I screwed up reading, but his is the saddest joke ever.

15 f-ing wrong on RC. That's right, 12 right, 15 wrong.

2 Wrong on games, 4 on LR.

161.


Suffice it to say I was a sloppy drunken mess last night.

Actually going to have to study for this bull I guess.
Title: Re: post your score here
Post by: ILoveNY on October 23, 2004, 01:49:12 PM
Quote
i f-ing aced the games and i still got a 155.  2 wrong on games is acing the games for me.  i have never done even close to that well on games (91%).  BUT i also have NEVER done even close to as poorly on the logical reasoning.  for some reason i completely blew the logical reasoning.  i ended up with a 64.5% average for both LR sections combined, which is completely horrible.  i always scored between 70 and 80% on LR, and I am completely shocked that 1)  i scored below 70% on LR and 2)  i got a 155.  the only question is whether to retake in december or june.  @#!* maybe i shouldnt even go to law school.

Wow, we're in the exact same boat. I got a 155 also, and only missed two ont he Games (which it's very normal for me).  During practice tests I consistently scored in the low-mid 160's but apparently I wasn't as prepared for the Logical Reasoning section as I thought I was. I'm really, really disappointed in myself and am frustrated that I am going to have to completely re-evaluate where to apply, or if to apply at all.
Title: Re: post your score here
Post by: ghostpirate on October 23, 2004, 01:53:36 PM
My last 4 preptests before:
180 174 180 177
My actual score:
177
The score-band thing is perfect for me.  It reflects exactly where I have been since I started studying for the LSAT (looks like I wasted my money, but I am so happy that it doesn't bother me much).
Title: Re: post your score here
Post by: superiorlobe on October 23, 2004, 02:04:36 PM
I have an awful lot of respect for people who score in the upper 170s.  Congratulations.
Title: Re: post your score here
Post by: AuburnChick on October 23, 2004, 05:46:05 PM

Wow, we're in the exact same boat. I got a 155 also, and only missed two ont he Games (which it's very normal for me).  During practice tests I consistently scored in the low-mid 160's but apparently I wasn't as prepared for the Logical Reasoning section as I thought I was. I'm really, really disappointed in myself and am frustrated that I am going to have to completely re-evaluate where to apply, or if to apply at all.
Quote

stephanie--i screwed up too-i did great on the games but i missed half of my reading comp and a lot more LR than i usually do...158 which was lower than 3 of my 4 practice tests  >:(
Title: Re: post your score here
Post by: Verbosity on October 23, 2004, 06:04:55 PM
In a case like that Auburnchick, you have to decide whether you want to go through the hassle of busting your ass again and taking the test in December. If you feel you can do significantly higher than a 158 (I'd say at least a 165/166) then I'd say study even more practice tests for the December test (How fun, eh?) and retake.
Title: Re: post your score here
Post by: Koga on October 23, 2004, 06:28:11 PM
172.  That is what I scored on almost all of my practice tests.  It is uncanny how this test has me pegged.

Very well done.  I'd say that University of Chicago is a lock for you.
Title: Re: post your score here
Post by: BAFF213 on October 23, 2004, 06:58:33 PM

Wow, we're in the exact same boat. I got a 155 also, and only missed two ont he Games (which it's very normal for me).  During practice tests I consistently scored in the low-mid 160's but apparently I wasn't as prepared for the Logical Reasoning section as I thought I was. I'm really, really disappointed in myself and am frustrated that I am going to have to completely re-evaluate where to apply, or if to apply at all.
Quote

stephanie--i screwed up too-i did great on the games but i missed half of my reading comp and a lot more LR than i usually do...158 which was lower than 3 of my 4 practice tests  >:(

you are so hot
Title: Re: post your score here
Post by: AuburnChick on October 23, 2004, 07:16:57 PM
thanks baff :D i dont know if you are talking to me or to stephanie, but we are both auburn gals and thats all that matters!! WAR DAMN EAGLE!
Title: Re: post your score here
Post by: imtheantelope on October 23, 2004, 07:43:14 PM
ILoveNY, what is the raw score for a 155?
Title: Re: post your score here
Post by: BAFF213 on October 23, 2004, 09:02:56 PM
thanks baff :D i dont know if you are talking to me or to stephanie, but we are both auburn gals and thats all that matters!! WAR DAMN EAGLE!

obviously you.  i don't even know who stephanie is.  seriously though, you are gorgeous.  how old are you?  where do you go to school (if you are in school)?  what are your target schools?
Title: Re: post your score here
Post by: foxnewssucks on October 23, 2004, 09:04:14 PM
thanks baff :D i dont know if you are talking to me or to stephanie, but we are both auburn gals and thats all that matters!! WAR DAMN EAGLE!

obviously you.  i don't even know who stephanie is.  seriously though, you are gorgeous.  how old are you?  where do you go to school (if you are in school)?  what are your target schools?


DUDE! her name is AUBURNchick... AUBURN is a school.
Title: Re: post your score here
Post by: BAFF213 on October 23, 2004, 09:08:41 PM
thanks baff :D i dont know if you are talking to me or to stephanie, but we are both auburn gals and thats all that matters!! WAR DAMN EAGLE!

obviously you.  i don't even know who stephanie is.  seriously though, you are gorgeous.  how old are you?  where do you go to school (if you are in school)?  what are your target schools?


DUDE! her name is AUBURNchick... AUBURN is a school.

ah i see.  i knew something was off since she has blond hair yet her name is auburn chick.  sorry im not familiar with auburn.  just looked it up, it's in alabama - no wonder why (im from mass.).
Title: Re: post your score here
Post by: TheDecline on October 23, 2004, 09:11:35 PM
HAHA.  That exchange was classic.   :D
Title: Re: post your score here
Post by: Koga on October 23, 2004, 09:13:09 PM
thanks baff :D i dont know if you are talking to me or to stephanie, but we are both auburn gals and thats all that matters!! WAR DAMN EAGLE!

obviously you.  i don't even know who stephanie is.  seriously though, you are gorgeous.  how old are you?  where do you go to school (if you are in school)?  what are your target schools?


DUDE! her name is AUBURNchick... AUBURN is a school.

ah i see.  i knew something was off since she has blond hair yet her name is auburn chick.  sorry im not familiar with auburn.  just looked it up, it's in alabama - no wonder why (im from mass.).


I assume that you don't follow NCAA football.

Lots of lovely ladies live in Alabama....
Title: Re: post your score here
Post by: BAFF213 on October 23, 2004, 09:13:52 PM
HAHA.  That exchange was classic.   :D

perhaps i should delete that post.  ah whatever.
Title: Re: post your score here
Post by: AuburnChick on October 23, 2004, 10:04:50 PM
thanks baff, well now i dont have target schools! i got a 158 when i was anticipating in the low 160s, so i have to rethink everything! any suggestions of schools that accept low numbers (3.3 gpa)
Title: Re: post your score here
Post by: foxnewssucks on October 23, 2004, 10:06:35 PM
thanks baff, well now i dont have target schools! i got a 158 when i was anticipating in the low 160s, so i have to rethink everything! any suggestions of schools that accept low numbers (3.3 gpa)

apply to U of Denver.
Title: Re: post your score here
Post by: BAFF213 on October 23, 2004, 10:13:25 PM
thanks baff, well now i dont have target schools! i got a 158 when i was anticipating in the low 160s, so i have to rethink everything! any suggestions of schools that accept low numbers (3.3 gpa)

it all depends on where you want to live/work upon graduation (and to a lesser extent, for the rest of your life).
Title: Re: post your score here
Post by: Verbosity on October 24, 2004, 12:43:52 AM
It's not so important for the rest of your life. After a few years they rely on your resume. It's obviously difficult to go cross-country for a job, but it can be done, especially for firms with offices in several states. Someone isn't forced to really work in one area for life because of one score they got on a test :P

But yea Auburn, it really depends on what area you're looking to practice law in. I'd take a look at a few Florida schools (They're relatively close to you and to my knowledge the firms hire from the T2s and T3s quite readily). It all really depends where you want to get your job.
Title: Re: post your score here
Post by: Silversoma on October 24, 2004, 10:48:25 AM
Whoa, what a weekend!!

I didn't sleep Wednesday and Thursday night, because I had several lab reports due this week, and I had to get everything done on Friday.  Then, Friday night, I went out to my friend's birthday, and got so drunk that I passed out in the cab, and my (also drunk) boyfriend had to physically carry me into his house and pay our $44 fare. 

I spent all of Saturday recovering.  Then, Saturday night, I was like: "Oh yeah, the LSAT!  I wonder if my score is up yet?"

So I checked it out..

Raw: 85    Score: 166    95th percentile.  LR= -4/-2  RC= -4  LG= -5

I am ecstatic.  In my heart, I believed that I had a 163, and after hearing all the negativity about the bad curve, I was bracing for a 158.

Plus, I was very, very sick that day (if you recall my whining leading up to the test).  Had I been healthy, I probably could have pulled off a few extra points, and maybe ended up with a 169.  But none of that matters.  My numbers are good enough for any school in Canada that I want to go to, except perhaps Toronto... and who the hell wants to live in Toronto, anyway?

Good luck to everyone who insists on putting themselves through this hell once again.  I don't know how you could do it.  To those happy with their scores: Congrats!!
Title: Re: post your score here
Post by: lexylit on October 24, 2004, 12:53:35 PM
silversoma = canadian rockstar :-*
Title: Re: post your score here
Post by: ILoveNY on October 24, 2004, 01:45:54 PM
ILoveNY, what is the raw score for a 155?

68
Title: Re: post your score here
Post by: LN135 on October 24, 2004, 01:52:06 PM
178!  I didn't think it had gone this well, and I'm really happy.  It feels nice to post this...I haven't told a lot of people.  :)
Title: Re: post your score here
Post by: superiorlobe on October 24, 2004, 02:00:01 PM
178!  I didn't think it had gone this well, and I'm really happy.  It feels nice to post this...I haven't told a lot of people.  :)


Yikes.  Tell us more about yourself.
Title: Re: post your score here
Post by: LN135 on October 24, 2004, 02:06:25 PM
Hi superiorlobe.  More about myself...I was a philosophy major (3.98ish), and I'm living in San Francisco.  I have yet to start my personal statement -- eek.  I'm hoping to go to a law school back east, then eventually do the "saving the world" kind of law.  :)
Title: Re: post your score here
Post by: superiorlobe on October 24, 2004, 02:26:10 PM
Hmmm.  I would probably apply to Harvard as well as Yale if I were you.  You always want to have an ironclad safety.
Title: Re: post your score here
Post by: Trevor on October 24, 2004, 02:37:53 PM
178.  I can't complain.  :)
Title: Re: post your score here
Post by: superiorlobe on October 24, 2004, 02:41:05 PM
Congratulations.  You are tied with LN135 for the highest reported score so far.
Title: Re: post your score here
Post by: LN135 on October 24, 2004, 02:42:43 PM
Ha, well thanks for the vote of confidence.  There are a lot of schools I would be excited to go to.  Right now I'm just trying to crank out an essay, deal with the crazy LSDAS, etc.  I'm glad I stumbled across this site, as it's inspiring me to get started!
Title: Re: post your score here
Post by: DOWNY on October 25, 2004, 01:02:24 AM
Do you actually look like that, or did Halloween start early?

Title: Re: post your score here
Post by: AuburnLibertarian on October 25, 2004, 07:29:12 AM
thanks baff, well now i dont have target schools! i got a 158 when i was anticipating in the low 160s, so i have to rethink everything! any suggestions of schools that accept low numbers (3.3 gpa)

You know, you may not have scored as well as you'd have liked, but at least Auburn is 8-0.  Am I right?  Auburn fans can always take solace in this year's football team, no matter the problem.  And 158 isn't a bad score.  That puts you in about, what, the top 25%?  From what I've read of your posts, it looks like you won't be retaking, but, if you do, there is always a chance you'll make a big improvement.

When I took the test in June, I ended up with a 157...yes...a 157.  That is 2 points lower than my first practice test and 15 points lower than my best practice test.  It was due to nerves (mostly) and a horrible test center that added to the nerves (they changed the location of the building the test was in and didn't bother to tell us...so we're sitting around for about an hour waiting for the proctor.  Someone finally calls LSAC and gets it straigthened out.  We get to the testing room and it's basically 'Ok, you're hear...you'll have 35 minutes for this section, go!'  Add to that the noise from outside...not good).  But I retook it in October, and did 9 points better.  In truth, I still know that I could have done better.  If I hadn't interpreted "most recent" to mean "earliest" (that damned archeologist logic game) I'd have missed 4 or 5 less.  I'm just hoping that such a big jump will make schools take the higher score. 

Anyway, I have an organic gardening test to study for (AuburnChick will know what a joke that is).  So I'm out, but WAR DAMN EAGLE! <---(all I wanted to say in the first place_

-Matt
Title: Re: post your score here
Post by: AuburnChick on October 25, 2004, 09:21:03 AM
Haha noo auburnlibertarian..i totally respect that class! i hear that it is much harder this year  :D! but thanks for the words of encouragement..by the way, where are you applying?? and what is your major
Title: Re: post your score here
Post by: AuburnLibertarian on October 25, 2004, 06:24:16 PM
I'm a bit ambitious (considering my GPA), so I'm applying to Notre Dame and Vanderbilt as my reach schools.  My top school right now, though, is (and I have to violate all that is good and wholly even to consider it) is Alabama.  I feel dirty just saying it.  But there and UNC are my top schools.  In truth, I'll probably end up at Alabama, because I'm going to law school to get into politics, and you can't get into politics in this state without going to law school at Alabama.  I have friends at Bama, though.  And a couple that might be going there for law school, so maybe it won't be so bad.  And I'm a philosophy major (that's right, philosophy...and yes, that does make me very cool).  If I hadn't improved my LSAT score, I'd probably be going to grad school for a philosophy PhD; fortunately, that's not the case.  I truly think my head might explode if I try to stuff anymore philosophy in it (I love it...but it's painful sometimes).  Speaking of philosophy, I have some Betrand Russell to read...which is a damned cake walk after the Heidegger we've been reading (if anyone on hear can easily read and comprehend Heidegger, I shall hold you in the highest regard, because I'd have more luck trying to comprehend Greek than Heideggerese).

-Matt
Title: Re: post your score here
Post by: AuburnChick on October 25, 2004, 07:08:59 PM
thats funny-i know what you mean about the philosophy courses...i only need one more for a minor, but i cant handle it anymore so im taking golf in the spring!
Title: Re: post your score here
Post by: AuburnLibertarian on October 26, 2004, 06:54:15 AM
Hmm....I wonder if I've had any philosophy classes with you...I always assume if someone has taken a few upper level philosophy I know them because, in truth, there just ain't many people who do it.  Next semester should be fun.  I'm taking Kant and Transcendental Idealism....and a special topics course on the philosophy of colors.  You enjoy your golf (I've already taken all the PEs that I can), but I'm tellin' you, you're missing out on some mad Kant-style fun. I know what you mean, though.  I'm one poli-sci class away from a minor in that, but I'm taking an easy class instead of a 3000 level poli-sci.  Not golf...sadly...but easy all the same.

I would like to note that the highest score I've seen on this board has been from a philosophy major (LN135 and her 178....wow...178...considerin g there was no 179 on this test, that's damned impressive...hell, it's damned impressive no matter what).  So, on behalf of our noble major, I thank you for making us look good (I believe phil majors score higher, on average, on the LSAT than everyone but physics/chem majors...I could be wrong, though).

-Matt
Title: Re: post your score here
Post by: AMB22 on October 26, 2004, 08:38:34 AM
Someone posted something in a thread a while back from a study a school did in which it found on average Economics majors tend to do the best, then Physics then Phil if I remember correctly.
Title: Re: post your score here
Post by: A_guy on October 26, 2004, 09:35:51 AM
hmmm...
...so i scored 150 on the LSAT.  its probably the lowest score here, but thats ok.  at first i was disappointed but then i realized a 150 is not that bad.  i'm i gonna retake in dec?  nope.  i am sending out my apps with a kick ass PS, resume, LORS and a good gpa.  we will see what will happen.



Title: Re: post your score here
Post by: desmo on October 26, 2004, 09:41:00 AM
hmmm...
...so i scored 150 on the LSAT.  its probably the lowest score here, but thats ok.  at first i was disappointed but then i realized a 150 is not that bad.  i'm i gonna retake in dec?  nope.  i am sending out my apps with a kick ass PS, resume, LORS and a good gpa.  we will see what will happen.





T3 - that's what will happen
Title: Re: post your score here
Post by: zxcvbnm on October 26, 2004, 09:44:47 AM
Ha, well thanks for the vote of confidence.  There are a lot of schools I would be excited to go to.  Right now I'm just trying to crank out an essay, deal with the crazy LSDAS, etc.  I'm glad I stumbled across this site, as it's inspiring me to get started!

3.98 in philosophy, 178 LSAT. You're a lock anywhere.
Title: Re: post your score here
Post by: A_guy on October 26, 2004, 09:48:30 AM
*le sigh*

unlike u, i don't care what tier the school is.  i just want to study law and do it at a place that i like and will be most productive.  so slamming tier 3 schools is pointless. at least in my case b/c i have no problem with going to one.  the fact is, based on my past accomplishments, i will be successful not matter where i go. i just need to get in.

for those that want to know, i am applying to...

John Marshall (chicago)
Depaul
Chicago Kent
NIU
Howard
Loyola
Title: Re: post your score here
Post by: desmo on October 26, 2004, 09:57:26 AM
1) slamming T3 schools is never pointless

2) someone has to be average, glad it's you
Title: Re: post your score here
Post by: A_guy on October 26, 2004, 10:04:43 AM
my LSAT score was average.  i am not average.  the LSAT is a standardized test and doesn't measure much beyond ur ability to take the test.  if i were to use the LSAT as the only factor in determining my ability, I would negate the above average gpa, leadership experience, job experience, graduate degree, and the numerous other things that prove that I am above average.

so yes, my SCORES were average, but I am no where near being an average person.

HTH
Title: Re: post your score here
Post by: desmo on October 26, 2004, 10:06:19 AM
yeah, I suppose you did your best...
Title: Re: post your score here
Post by: jayhawk on October 26, 2004, 10:09:38 AM
1) slamming T3 schools is never pointless

2) someone has to be average, glad it's you

Desmo, do you have something personal against A_guy, or are you just being an a-hole for no reason?  It's posts like this that lead people to think this board is elitist.
Title: Re: post your score here
Post by: superiorlobe on October 26, 2004, 10:11:59 AM
Correct me if I'm wrong, but not only is Jayhawkgirl super hot, but she also slam dunks desmo from the LSAT perspective.
Title: Re: post your score here
Post by: desmo on October 26, 2004, 10:15:49 AM
1) slamming T3 schools is never pointless

2) someone has to be average, glad it's you

Desmo, do you have something personal against A_guy, or are you just being an a-hole for no reason?  It's posts like this that lead people to think this board is elitist.

it gives me something to do while waiting for my acceptance letter

and yes, it's true Lobe, I only got a 172.  I'm so ashamed
Title: Re: post your score here
Post by: A_guy on October 26, 2004, 10:22:49 AM
hmmm...

not sure if i would say i did my best, but i am close to what would be considered MY best  and realize that my score will propably stay in the 150s.  

you see i took this test b4 while i was trying to finish my thesis and on the few practice tests i took i scored in the 150s.  on test day  i scored lower than 150.  it was a bad decision to take it when i did, but I will not make excuses for it.  I just made a bad decision.  so i took the oct 2 test and really worked hard on trying to increase my score and i did.  

true, it may not be as high as others here, but i did increase so the hard work paid off.  realistically i don't think i will score out of the 150s so there is no reason to retake.
Title: Re: post your score here
Post by: jayhawk on October 26, 2004, 10:25:11 AM
Correct me if I'm wrong, but not only is Jayhawkgirl super hot, but she also slam dunks desmo from the LSAT perspective.

Thanks lobe, but there's a reason why I don't post my score every chance I get. I don't think that what you say should be judged by your LSAT score, but, unfortunately, it happens a lot on this board.  Someone with a high score tends to automatically be taken more seriously, while low scorers are often refuted with comments like "wtf do you know? you only got a 146. hth"   
Title: Re: post your score here
Post by: superiorlobe on October 26, 2004, 10:32:36 AM
and yes, it's true Lobe, I only got a 172.  I'm so ashamed


Nothing to be ashamed of desmo.  keep your chin up.  I'm just pointing out that compared to Jayhawkgirl you are TTT.
Title: Re: post your score here
Post by: superiorlobe on October 26, 2004, 10:37:09 AM
Thanks lobe, but there's a reason why I don't post my score every chance I get. I don't think that what you say should be judged by your LSAT score, but, unfortunately, it happens a lot on this board.  Someone with a high score tends to automatically be taken more seriously, while low scorers are often refuted with comments like "wtf do you know? you only got a 146. hth"   


This post shows you have confidence, Jayhawkgirl.  You don't need to flaunt it, because you know you have it.  Confidence is sexy.
Title: Re: post your score here
Post by: AMB22 on October 26, 2004, 11:33:30 AM

This post shows you have confidence, Jayhawkgirl.  You don't need to flaunt it, because you know you have it.  Confidence is sexy.


Wow...am I the only male here who doesn't try to e-flirt with Jayhawkgirl after each one of her posts????????
Title: Re: post your score here
Post by: desmo on October 26, 2004, 11:36:41 AM
and yes, it's true Lobe, I only got a 172.  I'm so ashamed


Nothing to be ashamed of desmo.  keep your chin up.  I'm just pointing out that compared to Jayhawkgirl you are third tier toilet.

right there with you buddy
Title: Re: post your score here
Post by: lexylit on October 26, 2004, 11:52:49 AM
Wow...am I the only male here who doesn't try to e-flirt with Jayhawkgirl after each one of her posts????????

you're the only LSDer of any gender. jayhawk, you look hot today   :-* i'll PM you later 'cause i need some, errr, application advice   ;)
Title: Re: post your score here
Post by: midjeep on October 26, 2004, 03:09:44 PM
Well I scored a 158, which is an 8 point improvement over my first test so I am happy.....wishing I could have scored a 160, but still content with my score. I might even have a shot at some tier two schools ;). What surprised me the most was the fact that I only missed one in the games section, but then tanked a LR section. Time to make my application list.
Title: Re: post your score here
Post by: LN135 on October 26, 2004, 05:41:45 PM
Sorry to be a bit behind in this thread (day job and all).  AuburnLibertarian, I agree that philosophy is a good major for LSAT-takers, if for no other reason than that if you have worked your way through the Critique of Pure Reason, you can get through anything.   :)  No grad school for you, then?  I'm actually thinking about doing both, so I have the GREs to look forward to. 
Title: Re: post your score here
Post by: lexylit on October 26, 2004, 06:36:59 PM
so I have the GREs to look forward to. 

much easier than the lsat-- nothing to worry about, for you!

plus you don't have to take it in the AM  :D
Title: Re: post your score here
Post by: BAFF213 on October 26, 2004, 07:50:33 PM
Well I scored a 158, which is an 8 point improvement over my first test so I am happy.....wishing I could have scored a 160, but still content with my score. I might even have a shot at some tier two schools ;). What surprised me the most was the fact that I only missed one in the games section, but then tanked a LR section. Time to make my application list.

yea midjeep - i "aced" the games (i only missed two - 91% - far better than i had ever done on games in practice tests) but i BOMBED the LR (don't even want to say what i got on it - much worse than how i did on practice tests) - i ended up with a 155.  pretty disappointing considering that my last two practice tests were 161 and i felt like something "clicked" at the end.  i think i could hit lower 160s if i practiced for a couple more months.  but oh well, at least it's over.
Title: Re: post your score here
Post by: midjeep on October 27, 2004, 03:49:31 AM
Well I scored a 158, which is an 8 point improvement over my first test so I am happy.....wishing I could have scored a 160, but still content with my score. I might even have a shot at some tier two schools ;). What surprised me the most was the fact that I only missed one in the games section, but then tanked a LR section. Time to make my application list.

yea midjeep - i "aced" the games (i only missed two - 91% - far better than i had ever done on games in practice tests) but i BOMBED the LR (don't even want to say what i got on it - much worse than how i did on practice tests) - i ended up with a 155.  pretty disappointing considering that my last two practice tests were 161 and i felt like something "clicked" at the end.  i think i could hit lower 160s if i practiced for a couple more months.  but oh well, at least it's over.

Well good luck applying this year. You have a higher LSAT than I did last year and I was waitlisted at GMU (actually you still have a higher LSAT than my official score, given the average). According to Dean Richard, it is better to try and get a higher LSAT in December than applying early. I'm sure you will hit 160+ by December.
Title: Re: post your score here
Post by: AuburnLibertarian on October 27, 2004, 04:55:19 PM
Yes, LN135, readin the Critique of Pure Reason pretty much means that you can do anything (intellectually).  That's my theory, at least.  I've read a good portion of it in one class, and I'm taking "Kant and Trascendental Idealism" next semester (as I may have mentioned), so I'm sure to get a big dose of it again.  As hard as Kant is to read, I can do it.  Heidegger though...geez....granted I've only been exposed to one of his books, "Kant and the Problem of Metaphysics", and I don't plan on picking up another (like "Being and Time") anytime soon.  I prefer political philosophy in truth (Nozick, Rothbard, Hayek, Mises are some of my favorites).  I'll pursue that in my spare time, though.  I just don't think I could get through philosophy grad school.  A philosophy professor once told me that the dropout rate from law school was about 1-5%.  For philosophy grad school it's about 95%.  Easy to get in, tough to get out.  If I had the brain for it, I'd do it, but I'll take my chances with law school instead (the easier of the two by far in my opinion).  Good luck with graduate school, though.  If your LSAT score is any indication, I'm sure you'll well in law school, grad school, or both. 

Alrighty, I must be off.  I decided to take a lower level ethics class this semester.  It's easy, but I've been roped into tutoring the whole class before tests, so I have to head to the library for that.

-Matt
Title: Re: post your score here
Post by: superiorlobe on October 27, 2004, 10:52:09 PM
I was enrolled in a PhD program in philosophy, but dropped out.
Title: Re: post your score here
Post by: Matthew_24_24 on October 28, 2004, 12:05:00 AM
I can't wait until the Dec LSAT. Now knowing that im pretty safe even with a 158 makes me want to hurt that exam badly. 

Matt
Title: Re: post your score here
Post by: Trancer on October 28, 2004, 05:53:28 AM
160, 82nd percentile
Title: Re: post your score here
Post by: BAFF213 on October 28, 2004, 05:47:45 PM

Well good luck applying this year. You have a higher LSAT than I did last year and I was waitlisted at GMU (actually you still have a higher LSAT than my official score, given the average). According to Dean Richard, it is better to try and get a higher LSAT in December than applying early. I'm sure you will hit 160+ by December.

I'm not taking December.  I'm going to apply this cycle and probably take the June LSAT as well.
Title: POST YOUR SCORES HERE!! DEC TAKERS
Post by: bilbo on December 23, 2005, 08:36:23 AM
171
Title: Re: post your score here
Post by: sunsfan on December 23, 2005, 01:59:55 PM
172.

Will probably re-take and apply next year.

Congrats on all who did well (esp. Leoris, SeaDream)!