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Title: Emory ASW Review [Long]
Post by: NOTaPepsiFan on April 05, 2008, 09:15:02 PM
Most everyone flew/drove home tonight, so I'm chilling in my hotel (watching Carolina get crushed), and I've had some time to give a long summary of the ASW.


First -- good (and slightly awkward!) to meet those of you that post on here!


I decided on Emory prior to going to the ASW.  I thought Emory had solid employment prospects, and I have what I consider to be an excellent scholarship offer from them (given my #s).  Considering this, I was willing to attend what I thought was an OK school as far as social stuff/fun/quality of life.

My biggest concerns were:
(1) Atlanta is very southern, and not a cool city
(2) The students would be dorky, slightly competitive, ugly, and not very much fun

Well, my concerns were absolutely groundless. 

One of the professors volunteered the following about Atlanta:  "A lot of you are northerners, and you probably have some stereotypes of the south.  Many of these stereotypes are exaggerated, and many are outright wrong.  Moreover, Atlanta should not be considered 'the South' by any means.  Atlanta has a nationally diverse, cosmopolitan population, with great culture.  Emory is known as a school full of people from the northeast in our undergrad; this is even more true for our graduate programs as a whole, and this is again more true for our law school." (paraphrased)

To address my second point:  the student body is absolutely a strength for Emory Law.  I say this with reservation, though -- it is possible that the hardly anyone that attended the ASW will go to Emory.  Moreover, it is possible that those that went to the ASW were disproportionately more normal than those that chose not to come.  I also didn't get to meet many current students, so our group could be very unique.  BUT, judging by the [admitted] students that I met with this weekend, everyone was very outgoing, energetic, fun, interesting, and normal.  I did not sense pretentiousness to any degree.    The diversity was also really great.  With this being the South, I was concerned there would just be white people and black people.  Instead, there was a large population of Asians, Indians, Hispanics, etc.  People came from all different undergrads, and there was a broad spectrum of hometowns, all up and down the East coast, some midwesterners, and a few Californians.


OK, so a little overview of what the weekend consisted of:

Friday started with a reception at David and Caroline Adelman's house.  This reception consisted of excellent catering, and a lot of free Corona, for 3 hours.

My Friday night continued as I checked out Virginia Highlands.  About 20 or so of us met up at a bar down there.  Some people had a few drinks and left.  Some of us chose instead to stay and we bar hopped until about 2am, flagged down a cab and went back to the hotel, and then called Papa John's and bribed them to deliver us 3 pizzas -- which they did ... in 10 minutes!

Highlands is a pretty cool spot.  I wouldn't say that by itself it is quite the same as, say, Adam's Morgan in DC (http://www.readexpress.com/read_freeride/photos/2007-11-30-adams_mogan.jpg), but it had a cool strip of about 8 or 9 pretty decent bars, and a couple nice restaraunts where people stayed late for drinks.  No clubs, and not really any "clubby bars."  It was more like busy, typical bars with music (for lack of a better description).

For more of a club scene, it seems like midtown is the place to go.  It sounded like a lot of the bars/clubs in Buckhead got torn down and now it's mostly shopping and nice condos.
Title: Re: Emory ASW Review [Long]
Post by: NOTaPepsiFan on April 05, 2008, 09:18:26 PM
Ok, so the next morning came a little quick.  We were supposed to be at the law school at 8am.

Dean Partlett (who has an awesome Aussie accent) spoke for awhile, and he is clearly a brilliant guy.  He's also one of the few Deans that teaches a 1L course.  Partlett supposedly has an "incrementalist" approach, according to one professor, who seems to think highly of this approach, and of Partlett as a whole.

The law school itself (along with the general surrounding campus) is very nice, imo, and has a pretty prestigious feel.  For whatever reason, it had a bad review on PrincetonReview, and I think this is completely ridiculous.  The facility is truly top-knotch, and imo a lot better than Fordham, Miami, UNC, and GWU.  I would say it's comparable to UF and WFU (all these places I have personally visited), although I personally like the architecture/atmosphere of the building more than all the other places.

We sat through a class, taught by professor Ahdieh (http://www.law.emory.edu/faculty/faculty-profiles/robert-b-ahdieh.html).  I don't want to put too much emphasis on this, but it was very, very well done.  Ahdieh was extremely funny, very thought-provoking, used multimedia very well, and the class was allowed a lot of interaction.  That said, having one professor teach a single, meaningless class is probably not a sign of great teaching as a whole, and I imagine the class is fantastic at every school's ASW.

Shortly after that we had our small group meetings with professors.  There were 15(?) groups of 10(?) people.  My professor (http://www.law.emory.edu/faculty/faculty-profiles/howard-e-abrams.html) was a graduate of HLS.  He clerked for 18 months, went into biglaw for 6 months, then taught at the University of Oklahoma, and then moved back to biglaw to work "at the top" for a large law firm for awhile.  He went back into Academia and taught at Emory off-and-on for the last 25 or so years, although he has traveled to many other schools.  He spent awhile at Cornell, he taught at Berkeley last year, and he's teaching at Yale next Spring.  I was very impressed by how rich his explanations were in a broad range of law-related subjects (including finding employment, biglaw in general, rankings, scholarships, studying law, teaching in general, career paths, networking, etc).  He was very intellectually honest, sincere, and more than willing to admit that going to Emory was not equal to going to Harvard (or Michigan, etc).

This session was really interesting to me, so I'd like to list a few points he drove home:
(1) He did not believe that there was a noticeable difference between the quality of students at Emory and any "top" school he taught at, nor were they different from the students he went to school with at Harvard.
(2) He made the point that most jobs come from Networking, and he believes that Emory is an ideal size for this.  The school is big enough to let you meet a good number of people, but small enough for you to really get to know everyone (there are ~220 students per class).  I initially wanted a much bigger class, but I left pretty happy with the class size.
(3) He did not think the actual education is going to be all that different from any other T25 school, with two exceptions:  Washington & Lee (which now has all clinics 3rd years), and GULC (which does something crazy first year).  That said, he believes that the professors at Emory are very good, and probably a good bit better than their rank (#22).  The one difference between Emory and the very elite schools, in his opinion, was a lack of focus on "transactional" law, but he believes we will fix that in the next year with the new Dean.
(4) He was very willing to discuss "biglaw" (which, for whatever reason, seemed surprising to me).  He thought that the money was excellent, and that it was nice to be able to pay off all those debts.  That said, he thought being "at the bottom" was absolutely miserable, while being at the top is extremely interesting and financially rewarding.
(5) Someone asked him what his opinion of the USN&WR was.  He said "students put a lot of emphasis on it, and academics are absolutely nuts about its importance, but employers oftentimes are only loosely aware of the rankings." (paraphrased)  He also said that they are very subjective, arbitrary, oftentimes dumb rankings, although there are certainly differences between the #15 school and the #23 schools, but that the #12 school and the #13 school were equals.
(6) I asked whether he thought there was, to any degree, a drop off between the top 14 schools and the #15 school.  He thought I was kidding, and then another couple students chimed in about how there was a lot of talk about T14 and such.  He said this idea, whether measured by employment, quality of faculty, students, etc, was absolutely ridiculous, blatantly untrue, and that we should distrust anyone who circulates this information (which, pretty much, is Anthony Ciolli, founder of LSN).  I agree with him, and I do not think there is any more of a drop off between GULC and Vanderbilt than there is between Northwestern and Cornell, or Cornell and GULC.
(7) The idea that you know what type of law you want to practice (entertainment law, bankruptcy, international law, etc), is ridiculous, and you will not figure this out until you actually practice it.



We also had lunch, a panel discussion with alumni, a panel discussion with current students, etc.  One of the points that they really drove home was the degree to which the law school (and university in general) fosters social functions.  Emory has one of the best intramural programs in the country (ranked #5), there's tons of very active law and non-law groups to join, the bar reviews are twice a week (and apparently very popular), the law school buys kegs 1-2x/w, there's a big Halloween event, there's some kind of big spring event, and oftentimes the individual apartment complexes have social functions as well.  It really seemed like there was a lot of participation from everyone.

A few more things I thought were interesting:
(1) I was surprised by the low percentage of people that had decided for sure on Emory ... probably only about 1/4 - 1/3 are pretty much decided.  A lot of people were still waiting to hear back, and a lot were deciding between Emory/GWU/Fordham/BC (lots of DC/NYC students).  I heard a couple WashU/USC/Vandy's in there as well.  That said, it seemed like the people that seemed to research this stuff in detail online were ready to send in a deposit.
(2) I was really surprised that a lot of the people were kind of clueless on schools/employment/general job stuff.  Like, some people were deciding between 90k at Emory, or a full ride to the local TTT that "everyone in the area holds in such high regard."  It also frustrated me that people were deciding between Emory and GWU/Fordham.  Seriously, Atlanta is a cool place that is close to the same league as DC/NYC, and it's a WHOLE lot cheaper.  More importantly, if you get into Fordham and/or GWU, you probably got 90k or 96k from Emory, and probably next to nothing from them (and if you got money from GWU/Fordham, you probably also got money from Vanderbilt, in which case your decision should be Vandy and Emory, not Emory and GWU).  The employment differences are very minimal overall, and if you just want to practice in NYC, Emory does close to as well anyway.  I guess this might not apply to as great an extent if your parents are paying...
(3) Some people are over-sensative about some stuff.  If there's a few students studying on a Saturday, that doesn't mean the school is cut-throat or over-competitive.  People shouldn't be getting stressed, or feel anxious if people ask them where else they are looking, for example.  This over-sensitivity isn't reflective of the students as a whole by any means, but over the course of the weekend I heard a couple comments from different people that I thought were somewhat ridiculous.
(4) If you go to an ASW, be prepared to answer the following questions in mass:  "Where are you from?"  "Where else are you considering?"  "What undergrad did you go to?"  "Where do you think you're going to live?"
(5) I think "we" have a better sense of employment prospects than some of the current students..

I'd like to end by saying that I am very, very happy with Emory, but also that I think all the top 28 schools put on a great show for their ASW.  If you had a couple schools that you were deciding between, and you only attended one of their ASD's, you are really unfairly prejudicing yourself.  I was totally impressed by the diversity of the students, by the degree to which the law school/student body got involved in the social events, by the quality of the professors, etc.  But, that said, probably just about every T28 school has excellent professors, a diverse student body, and fun social events.
Title: Re: Emory ASW Review [Long]
Post by: chunkylover53 on April 06, 2008, 01:42:12 AM
:( Emory sounds like such a great school. It is the top choice of my remaining schools. Get back to me soon!! I don't even mind taking on massive boatloads of debt to attend it. Thanks for the great review. You just reaffirmed my longing for the school. :)
Title: Re: Emory ASW Review [Long]
Post by: Elaine Benes on April 06, 2008, 06:07:43 AM
Great review - I attended ASW as well and made many of the observations that you noted.  Everyone was incredibly nice and helpful and I am SO excited about going to Emory!!

One correction though - the reception on Friday wasn't at Dean Partlett's house, it was at David and Caroline Adelman's house.   :P

Thanks for the review, future classmate!!
Title: Re: Emory ASW Review [Long]
Post by: gowi on April 06, 2008, 03:24:28 PM
Great review! I hate that I didn't get to meet any of the LSDers.

My husband was in general a good sport about ASD, but he was pretty appalled at some of the parents' questions to Dean Partlett, such as "What does the law school do to prevent my child from partying too much?", "What are the top five things my student should do to do well during his first year?", and, my husband's favorite, "What are you doing to improve in rankings?" to which Dean Partlett responded that he didn't care what US news thinks about his law school, he cares to foster an excellent law school environment or something to that effect. But when the same man asked two questions that had already been asked and answered, I think he was ready to just leave. We got a kick out of people asking the poor financial aid woman about health insurance, lol.

My small group was with Professor Rector, who works with the TI:GER program. She talked extensively about the program (which I really, really hope I get into) and answered every question with lots of detail. And I'm not sure if she meant it as a joke, but in response to one questions she said "Although generalizations are typically false..." and I cracked up. No one else laughed. Er, tell me law students have a sense of humor. I mean, she made a generalization about generalizations being false.  :D

I must say, my general impression of definitely-attending students was good, but the on-the-fence people seemed somewhat obnoxious. Like, they expected the Emory people to audition for them or something. Yeesh.

On my way out I paid my deposit. A couple of the admissions people said they recognized my name. I was pretty brain-dead at the time and didn't think to ask if that was good or bad, lol.

All in all, I was impressed. I liked the facilities but didn't get a chance to go on the tours. I'm soooooooo ready for August now.
Title: Re: Emory ASW Review [Long]
Post by: Refused Party Program on April 06, 2008, 04:57:31 PM
(3) Some people are over-sensative about some stuff.  If there's a few students studying on a Saturday, that doesn't mean the school is cut-throat or over-competitive.  People shouldn't be getting stressed, or feel anxious if people ask them where else they are looking, for example.  This over-sensitivity isn't reflective of the students as a whole by any means, but over the course of the weekend I heard a couple comments from different people that I thought were somewhat ridiculous.

I just want to address the studying on Saturday issue, especially since I was one of the people in the K&S room of the library studying during ASW. This is a very hectic time. Exams are three weeks away. If you aren't studying on Saturday at this point you are in trouble. Plus, Moot Court competitions are going on which makes people a little tense and takes them away from their other classes. Plus, if someone is worried about studying on Saturdays, law school isn't for them.

My experience: the students here are not competitive. Everyone is friendly if you are friendly. There is a good mix of people both geographically (we have a lot of natives, Floridians, North Easteners and a few Caliofornias and Midwesterners thrown in for good measure) and ethnically. We are little on the young side, but that doesn't take away from anything. With the money the school is throwing at the incoming class, you really can't go wrong.
Title: Re: Emory ASW Review [Long]
Post by: negativeexternality on April 06, 2008, 05:09:54 PM

My husband was in general a good sport about ASD, but he was pretty appalled at some of the parents' questions to Dean Partlett, such as "What does the law school do to prevent my child from partying too much?", "What are the top five things my student should do to do well during his first year?", and, my husband's favorite, "What are you doing to improve in rankings?" to which Dean Partlett responded that he didn't care what US news thinks about his law school, he cares to foster an excellent law school environment or something to that effect. But when the same man asked two questions that had already been asked and answered, I think he was ready to just leave.

damn. . . helicopter parents, man.  i hate 'em too--i worked in a semi-public position at my UG student union, and every once in awhile a prospective would come through with some overly eager, strangely aggressive parents who would ask about thirty questions apiece. that was bad enough, but to encounter them at a law school ASW?  time to cut the umbilical cord, friend.

too bad i couldn't make it down this weekend--i wanted to come, but i had to play in a semi-big rugby tournament, and i only have so many of those left before i graduate.  sounds like everyone had a good time, though.
Title: Re: Emory ASW Review [Long]
Post by: gclemen1 on April 07, 2008, 05:58:26 AM
I was also surprised to see the amount of parents that were there.  Not that there is anything wrong with that, just surprised.  I was chuckling about the parent that was hawking questions about health care to the financial aid lady too haha.
Title: Re: Emory ASW Review [Long]
Post by: jawilliamson on April 07, 2008, 07:20:24 AM
Just wanted to put down my thoughts on the weekend...

So much has been said already and for the most part I agree with much of what has already been stated.  I did just want to throw out what I did like about the school and what I didn't like about the school.

The Friday night meet and greet was really nice, good food, lots of alcohol, nice people.  By the way, the house was beautiful!!!

Saturday:  The dean was somewhat engaging, he seemed very knowledgeable and I did enjoy the easy button jokes.  The problem that I do have is you have a schedule, please adhere to it.  This is just something that I am obsessive compulsive about, so although going 20 minutes over didn't bother anyone else, it bothered me a little.

The professor of the class was very charismatic (by the way does anyone else thinks he sounds like "Charlie" from "It's always sunny in Philadelphia").  I did however think that the material was, for lack of a better term, dumbed down a bit.  (And certainly this could have been the case because they didn't want to get to in depth at the ASW) The only other ASW that I have to compare Emory to is UVA and the case was much much more complex and difficult.

The financial aid woman was informative although she didn't know about the health coverage, lol.

The small section for me was horrible... It was without a doubt the worst part of the day.  Our professor (group 4) told us where he has been and how much he loved Emory. So far so good.  Then he proceeded to go page by page through the website just reading us what was on the website.  For about 30 minutes.  At one point he even asked us and I quote.. "Hmm, I've seemed to have clicked my way into a corner here, How do I get back to the home page..."  Someone said to click the Emory law icon at the top of the page.  "Would you look at that, I've never done that before!"  Needless to say it wasn't the best 45 minutes of my life.

Lunch was delicious! The people we met at lunch seemed very nice, and down to earth.

The panel discussion was good, very informative.  I have no idea why they didn't let the career services have 30 minutes to an hour on stage.  That is what we all want to hear about right?? What types of opportunities does Emory law provides us.  We did hear some of that from the alumni and current students and the packet given to us was very nice, but I would have liked to hear more.

The tour by the current student was horrid.  We pretty much walked through the hallways, and he would say this is a classroom, these are the offices, this is the library, and thank you for coming to Emory.  It may just be me but I would like to see some of the classrooms and mock courtrooms and go into the library instead of peering through a window at the reference desk. 

Things I really liked...
People were super nice, both admitted students and faculty. 
Facilities were gorgeous. 
School seemed very socially inclined. 
Housing is very inexpensive.

Things I didn't like...
The law school has to share a bookstore with undergrads, medical students, business students ect. 
Everyone is telling first year students to go to Post Briar for housing because it is gated, however one of the students I ate lunch with told us that there have been five muggings/robberies in the last year there.


Overall Emory was a very nice law school.  I realize most of my post tends to be negative but that is just because almost all the positive things have been posted by previous posters.  I don't want to be Debbie Downer.  Other than the things I mentioned above the weekend was great and Emory is a wonderful place!
Title: Re: Emory ASW Review [Long]
Post by: whartonn on April 07, 2008, 08:32:31 AM
I agree with many of the posts. My tour was horrible, although most of the people I met were nice.

Things I liked...
Housing- local rents are pretty cheap
Campus- the Emory campus was nice
Food- very good foods on campus and great restaurants around the city

Things I did not like...
Career Services- It is still totally unclear what types of opportunities Emory law provides us.
Safety- I was told by multiple students that petty crime (robberies and muggings) was an issue for students.
Traffic- My goodness! It's endless
Title: Re: Emory ASW Review [Long]
Post by: gclemen1 on April 07, 2008, 10:43:10 AM
Just wanted to put down my thoughts on the weekend...

So much has been said already and for the most part I agree with much of what has already been stated.  I did just want to throw out what I did like about the school and what I didn't like about the school.

The Friday night meet and greet was really nice, good food, lots of alcohol, nice people.  By the way, the house was beautiful!!!

Saturday:  The dean was somewhat engaging, he seemed very knowledgeable and I did enjoy the easy button jokes.  The problem that I do have is you have a schedule, please adhere to it.  This is just something that I am obsessive compulsive about, so although going 20 minutes over didn't bother anyone else, it bothered me a little.

The professor of the class was very charismatic (by the way does anyone else thinks he sounds like "Charlie" from "It's always sunny in Philadelphia").  I did however think that the material was, for lack of a better term, dumbed down a bit.  (And certainly this could have been the case because they didn't want to get to in depth at the ASW) The only other ASW that I have to compare Emory to is UVA and the case was much much more complex and difficult.

The financial aid woman was informative although she didn't know about the health coverage, lol.

The small section for me was horrible... It was without a doubt the worst part of the day.  Our professor (group 4) told us where he has been and how much he loved Emory. So far so good.  Then he proceeded to go page by page through the website just reading us what was on the website.  For about 30 minutes.  At one point he even asked us and I quote.. "Hmm, I've seemed to have clicked my way into a corner here, How do I get back to the home page..."  Someone said to click the Emory law icon at the top of the page.  "Would you look at that, I've never done that before!"  Needless to say it wasn't the best 45 minutes of my life.

Lunch was delicious! The people we met at lunch seemed very nice, and down to earth.

The panel discussion was good, very informative.  I have no idea why they didn't let the career services have 30 minutes to an hour on stage.  That is what we all want to hear about right?? What types of opportunities does Emory law provides us.  We did hear some of that from the alumni and current students and the packet given to us was very nice, but I would have liked to hear more.

The tour by the current student was horrid.  We pretty much walked through the hallways, and he would say this is a classroom, these are the offices, this is the library, and thank you for coming to Emory.  It may just be me but I would like to see some of the classrooms and mock courtrooms and go into the library instead of peering through a window at the reference desk. 

Things I really liked...
People were super nice, both admitted students and faculty. 
Facilities were gorgeous. 
School seemed very socially inclined. 
Housing is very inexpensive.

Things I didn't like...
The law school has to share a bookstore with undergrads, medical students, business students ect. 
Everyone is telling first year students to go to Post Briar for housing because it is gated, however one of the students I ate lunch with told us that there have been five muggings/robberies in the last year there.


Overall Emory was a very nice law school.  I realize most of my post tends to be negative but that is just because almost all the positive things have been posted by previous posters.  I don't want to be Debbie Downer.  Other than the things I mentioned above the weekend was great and Emory is a wonderful place!


LMAO, I was thinking the same thing.  That is one of my favorite shows!  That professor was funny as hell and pretty cool.  I think they dumbed it down alot, just because we are not in law school yet.  They prob. didn't want to spend all class on a single boring case.
Title: Re: Emory ASW Review [Long]
Post by: mae8 on April 07, 2008, 11:16:38 AM
apparently career services didn't have a lot of information for ya'll so i'll fill in what i can and give my own unsolicited opinion.

overall i'd say career services has been pretty good. like our peer schools you should aim to be around the top 1/3 of the class after 1L to guarantee yourself a six figure biglaw job. you can check NALP to see specifically what big firms interview at emory. aside from on-campus interviewing the school has interview programs in nyc, dc, chicago, dallas and los angeles. the largest of these programs is emory in new york which is exclusively for emory students and if i remember correctly had around 40+ employers in nyc including mainly big nyc firms, a couple prosecutor offices and a few large nj firms. if you don't have the grades to get a biglaw job career services is reasonably helpful, they do a good job of making it very easy for smaller firms to post jobs directly to the career services system. i got my current job with a small firm in atlanta from their job postings and will probably get a permanent offer if i'd like to stay with this firm after graduation, the overall employment rate for our grads is ~95% at graduation which is better than just about any of our peer schools. emory also has a great field placement program you can participate in as a 2L or 3L to get work experience for credit.
Title: Re: Emory ASW Review [Long]
Post by: Refused Party Program on April 07, 2008, 01:44:05 PM


Things I didn't like...
The law school has to share a bookstore with undergrads, medical students, business students ect. 
Everyone is telling first year students to go to Post Briar for housing because it is gated, however one of the students I ate lunch with told us that there have been five muggings/robberies in the last year there.


The bookstore issue is much less of a problem than you probably think. I've been in there a lot and it is usually empty or only has other law students in it. It is a non issue.

As to Post Briarcliff, I have no idea what hooks they have in the school, but there are plenty of options that are 1) cheaper 2) safer and 3) in nicer neighborhoods. The only reason people live there is because they push it on incomings so much. Yes there have have been some robberies there this school year.

So, if those are your only negatives, I think you ought to come here. They are easily mitigated.
Title: Re: Emory ASW Review [Long]
Post by: SplitFinger on April 07, 2008, 02:03:52 PM
We share the bookstore with other schools?  News to me.
Title: Re: Emory ASW Review [Long]
Post by: NOTaPepsiFan on April 07, 2008, 02:55:34 PM
I was really mad when the current students talked about how Post is the "law school dorm" and then said that rent was $750/m.  Yes, last year the rent was $750.  This August it will be about $950/m.

Traffic considered, it's not close to the school, and it's in the opposite direction from all the nightlife.  You can get apartments for the same price that are just as nice, if not nicer, and in much better locations.

But, I think the issue is that people just don't think about stuff like that much after they've already signed their lease, because it's honestly not a big deal.  If you asked me where to live in [my city], I would have listed about 5 or 6 neighborhoods without really knowing anything about the lease rates, property management, etc.



I'm upset with Emory for not releasing anything about Career Services as well, but honestly, the information is available online.  The top third will land biglaw jobs, and if you are in the top 40%, you still have a pretty decent shot, especially if you have a connection.
Title: Re: Emory ASW Review [Long]
Post by: gowi on April 08, 2008, 04:22:51 AM
Where exactly is the bookstore? Which building? (Can you tell I skipped the tour?)
Title: Re: Emory ASW Review [Long]
Post by: SplitFinger on April 08, 2008, 05:31:34 AM
It's actually off campus, basically in Emory Village, right next to the Falafel King (now with sushi!).

There's also a big main university bookstore kinda of in the middle of campus (I have been there precisely once), which has all sorts of Emory schwag.  But you'll get all your books at the law school bookstore, or online after fall of 1L year.
Title: Re: Emory ASW Review [Long]
Post by: jawilliamson on April 08, 2008, 05:52:42 AM
We share the bookstore with other schools?  News to me.


When I inquired about the bookstore to our tour guide, that is what he told us.  I just think we had a horrible tour guide, lol



Things I didn't like...
The law school has to share a bookstore with undergrads, medical students, business students ect. 
Everyone is telling first year students to go to Post Briar for housing because it is gated, however one of the students I ate lunch with told us that there have been five muggings/robberies in the last year there.


The bookstore issue is much less of a problem than you probably think. I've been in there a lot and it is usually empty or only has other law students in it. It is a non issue.

As to Post Briarcliff, I have no idea what hooks they have in the school, but there are plenty of options that are 1) cheaper 2) safer and 3) in nicer neighborhoods. The only reason people live there is because they push it on incomings so much. Yes there have have been some robberies there this school year.

So, if those are your only negatives, I think you ought to come here. They are easily mitigated.

I believe that even thugh Emory has shown me the money I'm going to be going with UVA at this point.  After seeing both schools and touring both campuses and attending both ASW's I really think that this would be the right choice. 
Title: Re: Emory ASW Review [Long]
Post by: gowi on April 08, 2008, 05:58:49 AM
It's actually off campus, basically in Emory Village, right next to the Falafel King (now with sushi!).

There's also a big main university bookstore kinda of in the middle of campus (I have been there precisely once), which has all sorts of Emory schwag.  But you'll get all your books at the law school bookstore, or online after fall of 1L year.


Sounds good to me. As long as I can park near to it and not have to lug 70 lbs of books to hell and gone, I'm fine. (Ah, memories of undergrad when I begged anyone and everyone to pick me up after buying books so I wouldn't have to carry them back to my apartment.)
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Post by: gowi on April 08, 2008, 05:59:34 AM
I believe that even thugh Emory has shown me the money I'm going to be going with UVA at this point.  After seeing both schools and touring both campuses and attending both ASW's I really think that this would be the right choice. 

Excellent choice. Good luck.
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Post by: SplitFinger on April 08, 2008, 06:02:57 AM
Oh yeah, you can park right there.  Here's a tip - go in there as soon as you get your section assignments and get your books, that way there will only be a few people and with luck you may be able to partake of the limited supply of used textbooks.
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Post by: jawilliamson on April 08, 2008, 06:11:24 AM
I believe that even thugh Emory has shown me the money I'm going to be going with UVA at this point.  After seeing both schools and touring both campuses and attending both ASW's I really think that this would be the right choice. 

Excellent choice. Good luck.

Thanks, I know all of you will definitely love Emory!!!
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Post by: gclemen1 on April 08, 2008, 06:15:47 AM
I am pretty sure I am going to try and buy the books online.  From my undergrad experience, books are so much cheaper online, it is not even funny.  Even with express shipping.
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Post by: SplitFinger on April 08, 2008, 06:32:29 AM
Easier said than done in the fall of 1L (you will not get your section assignments until practically the last minute, so you won't know which books to buy).  After that, yeah, definitely buy online.
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Post by: NOTaPepsiFan on April 08, 2008, 07:21:10 PM
And I think UVA over Emory with 96k is a good choice.  Congratulations, and good luck.
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Post by: SplitFinger on April 08, 2008, 07:46:00 PM
I don't remember that there were any 1L classes where every professor used the same book (maybe Legal Methods?), but if it works out for you, more power to you.  :)
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Post by: SplitFinger on April 09, 2008, 09:09:10 PM
FWIW, I know plenty of people who came from up north who wanted to go back to NY after they graduated, and who will be doing so.  I also know a couple of people who aren't from up there and had no intention of going to NY who are also going up there, much to their surprise.  But I mostly know people who aren't from up there and have no interest in going up there (like me).

Despite what you may have been told or the impression you may have gotten, while there are a boatload of Yankees at Emory, the average Emory law student comes from Georgia, Florida, or the Carolinas, and has little interest in leaving the capital of the south after they graduate.  If I had to guess, I'd say it is harder to get a good job in Atlanta than in is to get a similar job in NY, simply because most of us would prefer to stay here.  I could be wrong about that - as I said, I never looked at jobs outside of the area.  But the notion that people stay here because they can't find a job up north could not be more wrong.  The vast majority of us from the South have no interest in dragging our asses way up to the frozen north, and a not-insignificant number of people who venture down below the Mason-Dixon line discover that after three years down here they don't have as much interest in going back up there as they once did.


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Post by: 3-Elle on April 10, 2008, 10:42:35 AM
Decider, I was reading what you wrote and was thinking to myself, "Hey, this all sounds familiar."  Then I realized we were in the same group, haha.  Do you know who I am?  I think our professor for our group was a great, knowledgeable, real guy.  He didn't put on a show for Emory.  He was genuine with his comments and that was far more helpful than any kind of Emory marketing.  I imagine that you and GC were the only LSDers I met?  Man, I had no idea it was you.  Good meeting you.  I said I was watching you after the Hotel Parking secret you were keeping, didn't I? ;)

I didn't get to attend the reception for Friday night but I will say the Friday morning/afternoon event was amazing.  I'm sorry to say most missed it but, as it's the nature of the beast, there were only a dozen of us which contributed to how well put together it was.  Extremely personal discussion was had.  It was very insightful for what one should expect.  We had details about everything and got to sit in an actual class.  The students who hosted it were really sincere in their musings about Emory.  Like I said, I love the real talk and not the marketing stuff.  I'll just ignore your marketing sugar coating.  Every school has its faults, there's no need to hide them.  Glad to say that the small faults of Emory are not deal breaking.

I agree about Career Services.  I wanted to know more.  They say ~20% end up in NYC and ~50% stay in ATL.  Is that their choice or was their hand forced?  I imagine that there are numerous students wanting to head back to NYC and stay in ATL because it was their best option.  However, I can see some people heading into 1L wanting to go to NYC but loving ATL and staying there.  I want a clearer picture.  It seems like at top 40% of your class, you have a shot at Biglaw in ATL.  But for NYC Biglaw, it's something around top 20%, per what LSDers have said.  Why can't they just Vandy us and give us the data?  Come on.  That should be made public.

I do, however, feel that being on LSD/TLS/LSN for months now (though a reader at first and posting now that Law School x Class of 2011 topics are shaping up), I have a firm grasp on what to expect.  It seems like several current students didn't appear to know as much about what Emory can do for them but perhaps they were just dumbing it down for me.  I definitely feel like I have a handle on housing, however, due to LSD and the current Emory students that post here.  Thanks, guys.

I also want to talk about the NY reception.  Basically, it was held to say, "You can take your Emory degree back to NYC."  Of course, I never doubted this.  But it never addressed just how well these students did in their class.  I know it may be somewhat of a taboo to say, "Hey, I didn't finish in the top half of my class but I was able to land a great job in NYC" but it's important to know what's in store for us.  One woman said that her best friend, who finished at the bottom of her Emory class, is a judge in Colorado or something.  I wish she had said what kind of judge but that's good to know.  It seems that after you land your first job, only the school you went to matters.

Muhammad, I was in that group too!
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Post by: LukeLea on April 10, 2008, 11:54:02 AM
Did you guys get a feel for how Emory competes with UGA for both jobs in Atlanta and elsewhere?
Thanks.
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Post by: bing84 on April 10, 2008, 11:58:11 AM
My "small group" professor touched on this lightly. He basically said that when it comes to jobs in Atlanta, Emory is a top choice for most firms. Some firms will always have that good old boy connection, but it seemed that Emory grads are in higher demand in ATL.
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Post by: Refused Party Program on April 10, 2008, 06:23:42 PM
I just want to throw my 2 cents into the NYC vs. ATL debate.

When I came here, I was pretty dead set on trying to find work in NYC. Now, I would say I'm leaning more toward ATL. That is a pretty big swing.

Part of it is hours vs. salary vs. cost of living vs. lifestyle. In ATL, while salaries aren't 160K I'm pretty sure the top firms are paying 145K. You will have to work a lot of hours, but from what I understand not as much as you would in NYC. Plus, it is much, much, much cheaper to live here than NY. Atlanta is cheaper than Orlando (where I am from most recently). Plus, the lifestyle here is a little more laid back, which as I am getting older, I'm starting to appreciate.

I wouldn't say that the large ATL percentage is all self selection but it is a HUGE part of it. More people I know are interested in working here than NYC. By a large margin.
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Post by: NOTaPepsiFan on April 10, 2008, 06:50:21 PM
Haha, yeah I was sitting next to "Elle" during that session, so maybe you can figure out who she is...

And I was totally convinced that was you in our group, but I didn't want to ask some dude if he was "Muhammad Ali" and be wrong.
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Post by: 3-Elle on April 10, 2008, 07:37:53 PM
Muhammad, I was in that group too!

Is that so?  Huh, I guess I met everyone but didn't know it.  Who were you?  Message me, if you'd prefer.  Are you settled on Emory?  If so, also facebook me  :)

I was shocked that seemingly everyone in our group knew of the T14 myth because I'd heard it was mostly an internet label.  Well, that explains it.  Everyone in Group 1 is a member on LSD.  Figures.


Ha, yeah Decider and I were sitting in the back row at the middle desk. I've definitely decided on Emory, so I'll certainly facebook you!
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Post by: NOTaPepsiFan on April 10, 2008, 07:53:41 PM
P.S. when I met Elle, she decided to loudly announce to her boyfriend that I was her "internet message board" friend, or something to that extent.
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Post by: Elaine Benes on April 10, 2008, 08:07:38 PM
P.S. when I met Elle, she decided to loudly announce to her boyfriend that I was her "internet message board" friend, or something to that extent.

hahaha, i love it.
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Post by: Elaine Benes on April 10, 2008, 08:23:24 PM
I'm in the Emory 2011 fbook group!