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Yale
 17 (5.1%)
Harvard
 14 (4.2%)
Stanford
 2 (0.6%)
Columbia
 7 (2.1%)
Chicago
 11 (3.3%)
Penn
 58 (17.3%)
NYU
 26 (7.8%)
Boalt
 16 (4.8%)
Michigan
 33 (9.9%)
UVa
 10 (3%)
Duke
 30 (9%)
Cornell
 48 (14.3%)
Northwestern
 14 (4.2%)
GULC
 49 (14.6%)

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Re: Most overrated T14?
« Reply #50 on: January 20, 2008, 09:23:51 PM »
some of the happiest lawyers i've met were a mediation specialist and a litigator who had an employment law firm that was literally just them and an assistant in a nice office on wilshire. 

@#!* vault.
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Re: Most overrated T14?
« Reply #51 on: January 20, 2008, 09:24:07 PM »
I should clarify - I didn't mean the rankings are accurate in the V10/5.  I meant that there is a much bigger difference between a V5 firm and other firms than between firms that are say 20 and 28.  For W&C, thats why I was suggesting chambers and partners.  W&C might be the most prestigious litigation firm, but Skadden would be better for corporate.

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Quote from: AmyWaxFanClubPresident on January 20, 2008, 09:11:20 PM
It's good to use, but in many ways it is similar to law school rankings.  There is not much difference probably outside the V10 (arguably V5).  Chambers and partners (combined with Vault), is a much better tool.

aren't you still giving the rankings some weight though by saying that V10 or V5 is a separate category?  i mean do we really think skadden is a better firm than W&C?

Quote from: MorningLattes on January 20, 2008, 09:16:56 PM
I totally agree with you Wallace; what's the point if they are all paying you the same.

the point is that they give a rough idea of what your options are if after a couple of years at a firm, you decide to move elsewhere, e.g. different firm, public interest, government, etc.
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Re: Most overrated T14?
« Reply #52 on: January 20, 2008, 09:25:16 PM »
Quote from: AmyWaxFanClubPresident on January 20, 2008, 09:19:21 PM
I agree to a limited extent.  Overall vault ranking is not as important as practice group rating.  But to say they all pay the same is not a good argument.  The work you will do and your exit options depend on where you practice.

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Quote from: Wallace Stevens on January 20, 2008, 09:11:05 PM
Eh.  It stills seems like asking whether you can break Vault10 is silly when they all pay the same amount plus/minus bonus.  I'm still surprised that the legal profession -- widely considered a literary profession by layman -- has so many rankings.

I totally agree with you Wallace; what's the point if they are all paying you the same.
But this profession is all about prestige, so this obsession with providing rankings seems inevitable

Very true Amy. But I still believe too many people seem to think it's V_ or bust.
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Re: Most overrated T14?
« Reply #53 on: January 20, 2008, 09:25:23 PM »
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Quote from: Melvin P. Archibald on January 20, 2008, 08:49:28 PM
vault is a pile of crap in my honest opinion.  :D

Yeah, but people seem to pay attention to it.   :-\

what people?

Many of my classmates. 

After a couple interviews this break, for instance, I told a friend of mine that I liked X firm better than Y firm, and she said, but Y firm is ranked higher on Vault.  And then another person was like, yeah person Z told me he was going to such-and-such firm, but it's not even on the Vault 100.  Blah blah. 
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Re: Most overrated T14?
« Reply #54 on: January 20, 2008, 09:27:57 PM »
These people end up very unhappy.  I know many Penn students who chose practice group strength and personal fit over vault ranking.  This is the right way to go.  It's analogous to hating NY but choosing NYU over Chicago.

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Quote from: Melvin P. Archibald on January 20, 2008, 08:49:28 PM
vault is a pile of crap in my honest opinion.  :D

Yeah, but people seem to pay attention to it.   :-\

what people?

Many of my classmates. 

After a couple interviews this break, for instance, I told a friend of mine that I liked X firm better than Y firm, and she said, but Y firm is ranked higher on Vault.  And then another person was like, yeah person Z told me he was going to such-and-such firm, but it's not even on the Vault 100.  Blah blah. 
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Re: Most overrated T14?
« Reply #55 on: January 20, 2008, 09:36:14 PM »
Somehow we have gone from discussing law schools ITT to discussing law firm rankings.
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Re: Most overrated T14?
« Reply #56 on: January 20, 2008, 09:38:10 PM »
well, penn pretty much soaked up all the votes here, easily.
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Re: Most overrated T14?
« Reply #57 on: January 20, 2008, 09:43:27 PM »
before i went to bed last night (this morning) boalt had 0 votes.  obviously a spate of bitter penn students has infected the board since then.
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Re: Most overrated T14?
« Reply #58 on: January 20, 2008, 11:01:32 PM »
Quote from: Wallace Stevens on January 20, 2008, 09:41:25 PM
How sad.  I thought that Michigan would win for sure.

What's up with the anti-Michigan trolling lately, Walls?

You got into Chicago.  That deferral shouldn't sting as much now.  :-\
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Re: Most overrated T14?
« Reply #59 on: January 20, 2008, 11:06:50 PM »
I voted for Boalt. 
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