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Lakota Indians Withdraw from U.S. and U.S.Treaties
« on: December 20, 2007, 10:21:19 PM »
Lakota Indians Withdraw Treaties Signed With U.S. 150 Years Ago
Thursday, December 20, 2007


WASHINGTON   The Lakota Indians, who gave the world legendary warriors Sitting Bull and Crazy Horse, have withdrawn from treaties with the United States.

"We are no longer citizens of the United States of America and all those who live in the five-state area that encompasses our country are free to join us,'' long-time Indian rights activist Russell Means said.

A delegation of Lakota leaders has delivered a message to the State Department, and said they were unilaterally withdrawing from treaties they signed with the federal government of the U.S., some of them more than 150 years old.

The group also visited the Bolivian, Chilean, South African and Venezuelan embassies, and would continue on their diplomatic mission and take it overseas in the coming weeks and months.

Lakota country includes parts of the states of Nebraska, South Dakota, North Dakota, Montana and Wyoming.

The new country would issue its own passports and driving licences, and living there would be tax-free - provided residents renounce their U.S. citizenship, Mr Means said.

The treaties signed with the U.S. were merely "worthless words on worthless paper," the Lakota freedom activists said.

Withdrawing from the treaties was entirely legal, Means said.

"This is according to the laws of the United States, specifically article six of the constitution,'' which states that treaties are the supreme law of the land, he said.

"It is also within the laws on treaties passed at the Vienna Convention and put into effect by the US and the rest of the international community in 1980. We are legally within our rights to be free and independent,'' said Means.

The Lakota relaunched their journey to freedom in 1974, when they drafted a declaration of continuing independence an overt play on the title of the United States' Declaration of Independence from England.

Thirty-three years have elapsed since then because "it takes critical mass to combat colonialism and we wanted to make sure that all our ducks were in a row,'' Means said.

One duck moved into place in September, when the United Nations adopted a non-binding declaration on the rights of indigenous peoples despite opposition from the United States, which said it clashed with its own laws.

"We have 33 treaties with the United States that they have not lived by. They continue to take our land, our water, our children,'' Phyllis Young, who helped organize the first international conference on indigenous rights in Geneva in 1977, told the news conference.

The U.S. "annexation'' of native American land has resulted in once proud tribes such as the Lakota becoming mere "facsimiles of white people,'' said Means.

Oppression at the hands of the U.S. government has taken its toll on the Lakota, whose men have one of the shortest life expectancies - less than 44 years - in the world.

Lakota teen suicides are 150 per cent above the norm for the U.S.; infant mortality is five times higher than the U.S. average; and unemployment is rife, according to the Lakota freedom movement's website.

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Re: Lakota Indians Withdraw from U.S. and U.S.Treaties
« Reply #1 on: December 20, 2007, 10:38:10 PM »
So now we're gonna have EVEN MORE illegal immigrants?

A couple of folx over in Waco, Texas tried that "independent" crap. You see how well that worked.
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« Reply #2 on: December 20, 2007, 10:55:44 PM »
Come on.   It's Russ Means and three other guys (added, none of whom have any position in Lakota government.)
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« Reply #3 on: December 20, 2007, 11:02:11 PM »
::sigh:: Guess it's time to put some more people in their place.

That life-expectancy number is interesting though.  Wonder if it's true, and if so, why.

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« Reply #4 on: December 20, 2007, 11:12:26 PM »
::sigh:: Guess it's time to put some more people in their place.

That life-expectancy number is interesting though.  Wonder if it's true, and if so, why.

If you want change in Indian Country, work to overturn Oliphant and learn about Cobell v. Kempthorne (DC Circuit will rule on it any day now.)  What Means is doing is theater.  It won't make a difference a month from now. (Plus, Means doesn't give a hoot about really changing law in Indian Country, as he himself sought to undermine sovereignty when it came to his being prosecuted for beating up his elderly Dine father-in-law.)
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« Reply #5 on: December 20, 2007, 11:19:31 PM »
Whoa. . .wait. . . if the Cherokee Nation follows suit then where will we go to gamble away our disposable income?

I think The Secretary of Indian Affairs better get involved before this gets anymore serious.
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« Reply #6 on: December 20, 2007, 11:26:54 PM »
Whoa. . .wait. . . if the Cherokee Nation follows suit then where will we go to gamble away our disposable income?

I think The Secretary of Indian Affairs better get involved before this gets anymore serious.

Swimmer????  You're looking for relief from that completely corrupt, bigoted j*ck*ss?   Swimmer, btw, was hired by Interior Deputy Sec. Steven Griles.  Take a peak at where Griles resides these days.

BTW, Cherokees are low on the totem-pole of gaming tribes - casino revenue is chump change when compared to Pequots.

ETA: Swimmer is the reason Rep. Watson has to go after Chad Smith (rat that he is) over the Freedman issue.  Swimmer began the expulsion decades ago, ticked off that the Freedmen didn't support him politically.

Another ETA:  Clearly, I'm drowning my LSAT-score sorrows too rapidly, as Carl J. Artman is head of Indian Affairs.  Swimmer is Special Trustee (formerly head of Indian Affairs.)  However, Artman's record pretty much s*cks as well.
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Re: Lakota Indians Withdraw from U.S. and U.S.Treaties
« Reply #7 on: December 21, 2007, 10:57:26 AM »
::sigh:: Guess it's time to put some more people in their place.

That life-expectancy number is interesting though.  Wonder if it's true, and if so, why.

If you want change in Indian Country, work to overturn Oliphant and learn about Cobell v. Kempthorne (DC Circuit will rule on it any day now.)  What Means is doing is theater.  It won't make a difference a month from now. (Plus, Means doesn't give a hoot about really changing law in Indian Country, as he himself sought to undermine sovereignty when it came to his being prosecuted for beating up his elderly Dine father-in-law.)


I was talking this over with my Northern Cheyenne partners in crime, and they were saying that they didn't see much point in what Means was doing either, since the Rez is already considered a territory outside of the jurisdiction of the US or any State (even though physically inside the geographical boarders).

I didn't know about Cobell though.  Good look.
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