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Couple questions
« on: December 05, 2007, 10:26:55 PM »
So I'm looking at this web page (that I found here):  http://www.lawschoolnumbers.com/lawschool.php

What does OCI Employer stand for? (fourth column)

What is Ciolli TQS?

I've also heard some rumblings about schools dropping their "low" score students after the first year.  How does that work and is there a way I can see that information for every school?

Thanks for the help,

Ed

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Re: Couple questions
« Reply #1 on: December 05, 2007, 11:46:30 PM »
OCI Employers = the number of firms/employers coming for on campus interviewing (OCI)

Ciolli TQS = not sure, but I would infer that it has something to do with the national reach/portability of the degree/concentration of graduates; as t14 schools have correspondingly high numbers and T3/T4 have "regional"

As to your last question... I don't think they kick you out unless you fail out/cheat/don't pay your tuition. It doesn't seem to make sense to drop you because of a low score (I assume mean LSAT) one year after they have admitted you and reported you to USNEWS.

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Re: Couple questions
« Reply #2 on: December 06, 2007, 12:56:47 AM »
Thanks for the first two.

On the last one, it's something I picked up from these boards.  Some talk about professors having to fail "x" amount of students to clean up the roster.  I guess that could be a function of the curve they use (somebody has to fail).  For a true bell curve I dont know how many people that would be.  While I cant imagine being in that group, it might be helpful if there were some numbers out there to look at for each school.

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Re: Couple questions
« Reply #3 on: December 06, 2007, 12:58:49 AM »
Check the LSAC info on schools - if I remember right, each school's info sheet has data on retention rates. It's at http://officialguide.lsac.org
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Re: Couple questions
« Reply #4 on: December 06, 2007, 05:04:06 AM »
So I'm looking at this web page (that I found here):  http://www.lawschoolnumbers.com/lawschool.php

What does OCI Employer stand for? (fourth column)

What is Ciolli TQS?

I've also heard some rumblings about schools dropping their "low" score students after the first year.  How does that work and is there a way I can see that information for every school?

Thanks for the help,

Ed

The Ciolli TQS is a measure a law student came up with to try to measure the ability of various law schools to place students at the country's most prestigious firms. Obviously, not an exact science, but you can read the report here http://www.autoadmit.com/studies/ciolli/

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Re: Couple questions
« Reply #5 on: December 06, 2007, 10:19:19 AM »
Thanks guys

I did go to the LSAC site and found the chart on Attrition.  Can I assume that the column labeled "Academic #" would be the number of people let go for poor grades?  I think the column next to it is labeled "Other #", would that cover transfers and the like?

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Re: Couple questions
« Reply #6 on: December 06, 2007, 11:31:18 AM »
Thanks for the first two.

On the last one, it's something I picked up from these boards.  Some talk about professors having to fail "x" amount of students to clean up the roster.  I guess that could be a function of the curve they use (somebody has to fail).  For a true bell curve I dont know how many people that would be.  While I cant imagine being in that group, it might be helpful if there were some numbers out there to look at for each school.

I think most of the top 50 schools don't "make" profs fail anyone. Depending on where the median is, it usually forces a certain number of Cs-As, but Ds and Fs are usually up to the professor to assign. At least that's my impression.

For example, Ohio State (the first school i scrolled to in the BCG guide) lists their curve as 25% As, 50% Bs, 25% Cs, "no more than 4% Ds or Es." At my own school, there's only a 3% chance of getting a 2.6 or lower in a class (thus I think it's roughly discretionary to even give a C+). http://www.bcgsearch.com/pdf/BCG_Law_Schoool_Guide_2007.pdf