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Rank T15-T30 in BigLaw

Rank T15-T30 in BigLaw
« on: December 04, 2007, 03:03:05 PM »
Do you agree with this ranking?  Any opinions on the cutoffs at these schools?

1. UCLA=USC=Vandy=UT=ND
2. BC=GWU=BU=Emory=WUSTL=Fordham=UMinn
3. UIUC=UIowa=UMinn=W&L=UWash

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Re: Rank T15-T30 in BigLaw
« Reply #1 on: December 04, 2007, 03:15:01 PM »
Cutoff is a crappy word - it depends on the individual.  One person might get biglaw at the bottom of his class, another in the top 1/3 might strike out.


UCLA-USC-Vandy-UT = Top 50-55% has very good shot at BIG
BC-BU-ND-WUSTL-GW = Top 35%-40% has a very good shot at BIG
Emory-Fordham-Minn = Top 30-35% has a very good shot at BIG
Wash-UIUC = Top 30% has a very good shot at BIG
WL-Iowa = Top 25-30% has a very good shot at BIG

It's tough to estimate what percentage get BIGLAW or BIGMARK - or even what BIGLAW really is.  Those are pretty good rough estimates and categories.

Re: Rank T15-T30 in BigLaw
« Reply #2 on: December 04, 2007, 03:16:12 PM »
What about Tulane?

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Re: Rank T15-T30 in BigLaw
« Reply #3 on: December 04, 2007, 03:17:29 PM »
If you take the Ciolli study seriously, then Vandy > all T15-25 for biglaw placement. Vandy also > Duke, Cornell, and Gtown.

If you want to credit his study it's more like

Vandy = Cornell = Duke
Gtown = Texas
BC = BU = GWU = ND = UNC = UCLA = Emory
WUSTL = Case Western = Howard
Fordham
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Tulane = Minnesota
W&L = Washington
UIUC
Iowa

Where everything below the line is below average. His study isn't perfect though and needs to be taken with a grain of salt.

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Re: Rank T15-T30 in BigLaw
« Reply #4 on: December 04, 2007, 03:17:46 PM »
There are also other schools that rival these BIG numbers that are not in top 30 - due to homefield advantage or whatnot.

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Re: Rank T15-T30 in BigLaw
« Reply #5 on: December 04, 2007, 03:18:31 PM »
If you take the Ciolli study seriously, then Vandy > all T15-25 for biglaw placement. Vandy also > Duke, Cornell, and Gtown.

If you want to credit his study it's more like

Vandy = Cornell = Duke
Gtown = Texas
BC = BU = GWU = ND = UNC = UCLA = Emory
WUSTL = Case Western = Howard
Fordham
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Minnesota
W&L = Washington
UIUC
Iowa

Where everything below the line is below average. His study isn't perfect though and needs to be taken with a grain of salt.


Ciolli only included uber firms - not all of BIGLAW.

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Re: Rank T15-T30 in BigLaw
« Reply #6 on: December 04, 2007, 03:20:53 PM »
If you take the Ciolli study seriously, then Vandy > all T15-25 for biglaw placement. Vandy also > Duke, Cornell, and Gtown.

If you want to credit his study it's more like

Vandy = Cornell = Duke
Gtown = Texas
BC = BU = GWU = ND = UNC = UCLA = Emory
WUSTL = Case Western = Howard
Fordham
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Minnesota
W&L = Washington
UIUC
Iowa

Where everything below the line is below average. His study isn't perfect though and needs to be taken with a grain of salt.


Ciolli only included uber firms - not all of BIGLAW.

Yeah. It's still somewhat relevant, though. If a school places well in uber firms, it stands to reason it'll place well in most Vault firms.

I really don't like his study that much. It's just something interesting to talk about.

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Re: Rank T15-T30 in BigLaw
« Reply #7 on: December 04, 2007, 03:22:47 PM »
If you take the Ciolli study seriously, then Vandy > all T15-25 for biglaw placement. Vandy also > Duke, Cornell, and Gtown.

If you want to credit his study it's more like

Vandy = Cornell = Duke
Gtown = Texas
BC = BU = GWU = ND = UNC = UCLA = Emory
WUSTL = Case Western = Howard
Fordham
---------------------
Minnesota
W&L = Washington
UIUC
Iowa

Where everything below the line is below average. His study isn't perfect though and needs to be taken with a grain of salt.


Ciolli only included uber firms - not all of BIGLAW.

Yeah. It's still somewhat relevant, though. If a school places well in uber firms, it stands to reason it'll place well in most Vault firms.

I really don't like his study that much. It's just something interesting to talk about.

Misses lots of secondary market BIGLAW - favoring East Coast.

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Re: Rank T15-T30 in BigLaw
« Reply #8 on: December 04, 2007, 03:24:05 PM »
If you take the Ciolli study seriously, then Vandy > all T15-25 for biglaw placement. Vandy also > Duke, Cornell, and Gtown.

If you want to credit his study it's more like

Vandy = Cornell = Duke
Gtown = Texas
BC = BU = GWU = ND = UNC = UCLA = Emory
WUSTL = Case Western = Howard
Fordham
---------------------
Minnesota
W&L = Washington
UIUC
Iowa

Where everything below the line is below average. His study isn't perfect though and needs to be taken with a grain of salt.


Ciolli only included uber firms - not all of BIGLAW.

Yeah. It's still somewhat relevant, though. If a school places well in uber firms, it stands to reason it'll place well in most Vault firms.

I really don't like his study that much. It's just something interesting to talk about.

Misses lots of secondary market BIGLAW - favoring East Coast.

That would explain why I can't even find USC on the national list.  :D

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Re: Rank T15-T30 in BigLaw
« Reply #9 on: December 04, 2007, 04:16:09 PM »


1. UCLA=USC=Vandy=UT
2. BC=GWU=BU=UIUC==Fordham
3. Emory=WUSTL=UMinn=ND
4. UMinn=W&L=UWash

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It really depends on your definition of "Biglaw."  The top half of these schools in big cities are going to have a good shot at making somewhere between 125 and 160k.

Some of these schools don't send a ton of their students to the largest firms because of their location... UMinn produces, I'm sure, a ton of great lawyers but there just aren't that many huge firms in the region.  Top grads might jet to Chicago, the top 20% might end up at Faegre or Dorsey, but other than that there just aren't that many huge firms.