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Re: BLACK people are IGNORANT...we gonna support a WHITE woman? over a BROTHER?
« Reply #40 on: November 08, 2007, 02:55:33 PM »
I'll be voting for Clinton, so will a number of thougtful black people I know.  You should modify your statement accordingly.

I know why you're really voting for Hilary.

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Re: BLACK people are IGNORANT...we gonna support a WHITE woman? over a BROTHER?
« Reply #41 on: November 09, 2007, 01:58:48 AM »

...people fail to see that the south carolina primary is one where the african american vote could make ALL of the difference in the outcome of the democratic nomination process.  now, aye understand that iowa and new hampshire may not have a huge african american expression, however if we REALLY want change...if we really want to see a person who is not part of the "old politico"...a point which obama addressed earlier in the week...then we are going to have to vote in our individual state primary...and not not vote. 8)

so we'll have to not succumb to the media push for, clinton.  obama has 11 years in public office and clinton has 7...the fact of the matter is that 11yrs. IS experience...7 yrs. is questionable...unless you count clinton's laura bush style is clear that obama has the better judgement and more tact than clinton...also, in the general presidential election...he would have NO poll worthy numbers of animosity the way that "old politico" clinton does...

and if he were to get the nomination...who cares who the opposing candidate is...although our country in the past 50+ years has elected governors or vice-presidents to the office of president...kennedy, a young man at the time he ran for the presidency had 13 years in public office and was only a senator...and that was a very close presidential race...but he won...obama is someone who speaks to communities and neighborhoods...he is an african american who will look out for african americans...hell, he does what he says and sticks to his convictions...aye draw out the fact that he is african american to wake up the sleeping commiserates from complacency to a trust and a social change for american's of african descent...who better to do this but an african american.

and then there it is...the BIG question of who do you trust?.

...why should we trust an "old politico" like far as clinton's appeal, decisions and judgement behind those decisions...she has used "black-face" dialogue, flip-flopped, and flat out lied...her judgement is fatally flawed...

obama's judgement and decisions he sticks to and stands behind.

sounds like change to me...even if the candidate happens to have a darker complexion.

clinton's own shaky judgement has put a huge dent in her lead...why can't obama have the support of south carolina and take the nomination and run with it...

who says he can't win? far as my o.p. goes...suck it if you don't like don't know me...aye am one savvy bombastic trini mon...thankyou to those who understand my method...and if you don't like the way aye put things...don't read it. ;)

now why would aye put this in the obama thread?  to be ignored???? :D :D :D :D


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Re: BLACK people are IGNORANT...we gonna support a WHITE woman? over a BROTHER?
« Reply #42 on: November 09, 2007, 02:09:44 AM »

we gonna vote for that?

as an african american aye am puzzled by some n..gz fervor for CLINTON...BUMBLECLOTS!!

black folk are being bamboozled into thinking that bill clinton will be back in office...and on their side.


if black folk think that hiliary clinton is THEIR candidate...because she is looking out for black folk...they deserve every set-back they get when the plantation missa sets up court in her WHITE house...

black folk got a chance to make some history by putting a brother in the WHITE can happen...obama is just a senator...not a governor...but kennedy did it...he was just a senator...

why can't black people realize that the white man is pullin' the con...

but perhaps a friend of mine is people talk like a black man can run the country...but when it comes to ACTION black folks get nothing done...lets make the white house clear for african americans and a real chance for an african american to RUN the show...

haven't black people had enough of bush-clinton years...

how about OBAMA

"Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt." -
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"I am rather inclined to silence, and whether that be wise or not, it is at least more unusual nowadays to find a man who can hold his tongue than to find one who cannot."

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aye guess folks aren't that upset with bush that much if they won't push the effect of change in the form of obama..

cause in reality...hiliary voted for the war in iraq and has been in step with bush since she took matter what you hear her say...check how she votes... by thinking that obama can't beat a republican is a reason to vote for clinton is stupid and a waste of a vote...

...don't underestimate the voters who will come out to vote against clinton...because they are ready...

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Obama to air ads in South Carolina
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COLUMBIA, S.C. --Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama plans to air his first television ads in South Carolina on Wednesday, commercials that stress his experience as a civil rights attorney and community organizer in Chicago.

"You know, hope and change haven't just been campaign slogans for me, they've been the causes of my life," Obama says in the 30-second spot as he sits in a sunny room as though he were being interviewed.

The civil rights theme is critical in early voting South Carolina, where about half the Democratic primary voters are black. The ad also aims to add weight to Obama's resume - it uses several still photographs, including one black-and-white image of him speaking to people in Chicago, and one shot of a young-looking Obama as he talks about "working as a civil rights attorney to make sure that everybody's vote counted."

"In each instance, there were naysayers who said it couldn't be done, but when millions of voices join together and insist on change, change happens and that's what we have to do in this election," he says.

Obama's campaign said the spot is running statewide but would not comment on its duration. The Democratic primary is scheduled for Jan. 26.

The Illinois senator has already aired television ads in New Hampshire and Iowa.

Obama follows former North Carolina Sen. John Edwards as the two Democrats who have run TV ads in the state. Edwards became the first Democrat to advertise here last week.

Edwards' campaign said Tuesday it also planned to air a Thanksgiving-themed ad this week in South Carolina.

In the ad, Edwards says he is thankful for "30 years with one amazing woman. For 231 years of America. For the hopes and determination of a nation filled with the most optimistic people on Earth."

The ads shows snapshots of Edwards' parents and the home where he grew up in northwestern South Carolina.

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Poll: Obama Takes Lead In Iowa
By Greg Sargent - November 19, 2007, 5:13PM
The new Washington Post/ABC News poll that Dems have been talking about today has finally been released -- and it finds that Obama has edged into a lead over Hillary in Iowa, though the race remains close.

Obama has 30% of likely voters, while Hillary has 26% and Edwards has 22%.

The poll shows that Obama has marginally increased his standing since WaPo's last Iowa poll in August, which found Obama at 27%, with Hillary and Edwards at 26%.

But various findings in today's poll suggest that rival criticism of Hillary might be working. Obama is ahead of her by 2-1 as the most honest and trustworthy candidate. And 55% say that "new ideas" is more important to them in a candidate, while 33% pick "strength and experience." Obama has argued that he's the race's true change agent, while Hillary counters that only she has the strength and experience to realize real change.

Key fact: Obama is running even with Hillary among Iowa women, 32%-31%.

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Clinton nomination not such sure thing
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With her leads slipping in South Carolina and elsewhere, Democratic presidential hopeful Hillary Clinton suddenly finds herself embroiled in the fight of her political life.

Clinton could lose.

Her once commanding lead has evaporated.

In mid-November, Clinton saw her lead in New Hampshire over her opponent Barack Obama — 23 points in September — fall to 14 points, according to a CNN/WMUR presidential poll. (Two subsequent polls found her lead had dropped to 12 points, then 11 points.)

The New Hampshire survey came out a day after another poll — this one in Iowa — found Obama, the U.S. senator from Illinois, taking over first place in that state, although his lead was within the poll’s margin of error.

The news only got worse for the U.S. senator from New York as the days wore on.

A new Zogby survey found that 50 percent of likely voters said they would never vote for Clinton, up from 46 percent in March.

Why? Voters don’t like Clinton.

If that weren’t enough, the most recent poll taken of S.C. voters, by Clemson University, had Clinton and Obama in a statistical dead heat.

A large number of voters remain undecided, however.


Clinton has been at the top of the Democratic pack since Day 1 of the 2008 presidential campaign, casting herself as the inevitable victor. No one had come close to challenging her.

However, the most recent polls show the race for the Democratic nomination tightening a month before the first contest, in Iowa, that kicks off the state-by-state nomination battles.

S.C. Democratic voters go to the polls Jan. 26.

Several Democrats have expressed concern about the former first lady’s electability next November should she win her party’s nomination.

Obama, who would be the first black president in U.S. history, has stirred up enthusiasm among grass-roots Democratic activists. He attracts big crowds on the campaign trail.

But for some reason he hasn’t been able to break out of the pack. He has remained stuck in neutral.

Until now.

Thanks in large part to campaign gaffes, Clinton has given her foes an opening.

Polls show her not doing that well with independents and younger voters.

“The questions about her electability have always been there,’ pollster John Zogby says. “This suggests that is a problem.”

Front-runners generally can suffer one primary loss, says Emory University political scientist Merle Black. “But,” he added, “two losses in a row would be difficult to survive.”

Clinton is preparing to lose one primary.

She is quietly building a firewall in New Hampshire — the “Live Free or Die” state — in case she loses Iowa.

Why? She can’t afford to lose both Iowa and New Hampshire. If she did, that would be all she wrote.


Meanwhile, the Clemson University Palmetto Poll shows S.C. Democrats — who will hold their party’s third primary, if you count Michigan’s disputed election — are having a difficult time making up their minds. At this late hour, nearly half — 49 percent — remain undecided.

“Voters in the state have not started paying close attention to candidate activity ahead of the primary,” said Joseph Stewart, chairman of Clemson’s political science department.

He said most S.C. voters are likely to pay more attention to the candidates in January. “It’s hard for the candidates to compete with Santa Claus,” Stewart said, citing the holiday season as a distraction to voters.

The result of that distraction and lack of attention?

“South Carolina is up for grabs,” he said.

In the past, candidates have lost Iowa and gone on to win their party’s nomination and the general election. Among them have been Republicans Ronald Reagan and George H.W. Bush.

Despite those precedents, Clinton is in trouble.

In South Carolina, she is losing ground, said Bruce Ransom, a Clemson professor. “She can’t run away from that. The question is: Can she stop the bleeding?”

That’s a mighty tall order. Once a campaign starts unraveling, it’s virtually impossible to put it back together.

What’s it all mean? Hillary may not be inevitable after all.

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Obama, Huckabee lead 2008 race in Iowa: poll
Dec. 2, 2007

By John Whitesides, Political Correspondent

DES MOINES, Iowa (Reuters) - Democrat Barack Obama and Republican Mike Huckabee surged into narrow leads in Iowa in a poll released on Sunday, barely a month before the state holds the first contest in a shifting 2008 presidential race.

The poll by the Des Moines Register, the state's largest newspaper, showed Obama with a three-point edge over national front-runner Hillary Clinton in Iowa, 28 percent to 25 percent, and former North Carolina Sen. John Edwards third at 23 percent.

Among Republicans, Huckabee moved past previous leader Mitt Romney to take a five-point edge, 29 percent to 24 percent. Former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani, who leads national polls, trails in third place at 13 percent.

The poll of 500 likely Iowa caucus-goers in each party had a margin of error of plus or minus 4.4 percent.

The new poll follows other recent surveys showing Obama, an Illinois senator, and Huckabee, the former governor of Arkansas, picking up steam in Iowa and nationally one month before Iowa's January 3 contest kicks off the state-by-state battle to choose candidates for the November 2008 election.

Obama, campaigning in Iowa, said the shifting polls explained the growing frequency and intensity of attacks on him from Clinton, a New York senator and former first lady.

"Folks from some of the other campaigns are reading the polls and starting to get stressed, and issuing a whole range of outlandish accusations," Obama said.

"All these accusations that are starting to come out seem to correspond to shifting political fortunes," he told reporters.

Clinton's campaign on Sunday renewed its criticism of Obama for using his "Hope Fund" leadership political action committee for campaign contributions to politicians in crucial early voting states like Iowa, New Hampshire and South Carolina.

Clinton spokesman Howard Wolfson, appearing on CBS's "Face the Nation," called the committee "a slush fund" and asked Obama's campaign to shut it down.


Obama said the fund operated within the law and suggested Clinton's campaign "focus on trying to get their supporters to caucus" in Iowa.

Clinton's campaign also attacked Obama for telling reporters in Iowa he had not been planning a presidential run "for however number of years some of the other candidates have been planning for."

Clinton spokesman Phil Singer said the comment was at odds with what Obama's teachers, classmates and staff have said about his ambitions. "Senator Obama's campaign rhetoric is getting in the way of reality," Singer said.

Huckabee, appearing on ABC's "This Week," said his campaign was "on fire" in part because voters were being drawn to his underdog candidacy.

"That's why there's an excitement about my campaign," he said. "It's about all those Americans out there who were told what they couldn't do, what they couldn't become."

Huckabee, a social conservative and former Baptist preacher, had lingered in low single digits all year and barely raised any money until a surprise second-place showing in the Iowa straw poll in August propelled him on a slow climb.


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Re: blacks ARE SCARED to voteO B A M A. .......south carolina primary vote !
« Reply #48 on: December 05, 2007, 09:41:51 AM »
Y'all know polls of caucuses are notoriously inaccurate, right?

especially when they're not in your favor.  :P

Nah, I don't believe in most polls anyway.

Re: blacks ARE SCARED to voteO B A M A. .......south carolina primary vote !
« Reply #49 on: December 05, 2007, 10:01:08 AM »
seventhson i finally made it to a rally lol