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Re: Penn 2L taking questions for a little bit...
« Reply #40 on: November 26, 2007, 08:15:45 PM »
Is it true that Penn 2Ls don't have to attend classes and can just travel all over the globe instead?

You'd have to ask Towelie about that one!  ;)

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Re: Penn 2L taking questions for a little bit...
« Reply #41 on: November 27, 2007, 11:15:06 AM »
Is it true that Penn 2Ls don't have to attend classes and can just travel all over the globe instead?

Haha. Yes, this has been my semester. This semester, my travel has included: Chicago, Tucson, San Francisco/Palo Alto (4 times), LA (3 times), San Diego, New York (2 times), Portland, Seattle, Jamaica, and Miami (some of this was for callbacks) and this winter break I am going to Amsterdam, Brussels, Miami, The Bahamas, Honduras, Mexico, and Belize. In other words, you can definitely travel a LOT as a 2L at Penn.

I set my schedule up next semester so I only have class Tuesday-Thursday so I can, hopefully, travel more (I'm hoping London, Paris, Morocco, Montreal, Toronto, Vermont/New Hampshire, and, well, who knows where else). We'll see though.  ;)

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Re: Penn 2L taking questions for a little bit...
« Reply #42 on: November 27, 2007, 11:18:42 AM »
What do you think are the biggest misconceptions about Penn?
Also...how would you evaluate Penn's Constitutional Law Program and clerkship opportunities compared to other T14 schools?

Your first question is a bit vague, but I can answer better if you ask me something more along the lines of, "I heard ____.  Is it true?"  I guess the one thing I thought as an applicant was that going to a higher-ranked T14 (Columbia, for example) would be more helpful as far as getting a Biglaw job.  Not true!  Anyone who can give a halfway decent interview can get a good firm job, even with pretty bad grades.  The hardest part of OCI is choosing which job offer to take!  I'm guessing this is true for most T14s--in fact, I would say the general misconception of prelaws is that you can make a meaningful comparison between the closely-ranked T14 schools based on exit options/prestige.  Possibly excluding HYS, just choose the one you like the best!

I can't compare between schools, but we have some really great Con Law scholars here, as well as a great variety of classes.  I'm taking a seminar in First Amendment theory next semester.  Our ACS (American Constitutional Society) chapter is the biggest in the nation, bringing tons of great speakers--most recently, the woman who argued the Seattle Schools case before the Supreme Court last term.  Ted Olsen and Larry Tribe were also just here to give a talk as part of programming in conjunction with the National Constitution Center.

As for clerkships, I think that's the area where HYS is really separated from the rest of the T14.  That said, Penn has two grads clerking for the Supreme Court this year, and I know several people going to prestigious circuit clerkships (including Kozinski).  You'll be able to get Federal District with average grades, possibly even poor grades depending on the district.  If you do well, you can go anywhere.



I can't stress the first part of what Legapp said enough - as far as BIGLAW is concerned, your grades basically have no effect on whether or not you can make top dollar in a market that you want. Granted, the better the grades, the more options you will have, but as someone whose grades were in the lower half, I was still able to pull off V5 and other prestigious firms, even in markets I had no connection to.

Re: Penn 2L taking questions for a little bit...
« Reply #43 on: November 27, 2007, 04:37:47 PM »
How many electives are offered your second semester?  What traditional courses get squeezed out to make room?  When taking elective classes, did you feel like you were underprepared for the course because you had not yet learned the basics?  Did you feel like you were at a disadvantage versus the 2L's in the course?

Are there any Latino neighborhoods near the law school?

How hard is it to get a public-interest-type job your first summer?  Does the school help finance that sort of thing?  Have you ever heard of someone clerking for an immigration judge their first summer?

What's percent of the class would you say is over 30?

Re: Penn 2L taking questions for a little bit...
« Reply #44 on: November 27, 2007, 05:06:51 PM »
Thanks for the response.  Could you find a list of first year electives.  I don't remember seeing anything like that, so I was under the wrong impression about that.

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Re: Penn 2L taking questions for a little bit...
« Reply #45 on: November 27, 2007, 05:12:28 PM »
Is it true that Penn 2Ls don't have to attend classes and can just travel all over the globe instead?

Haha. Yes, this has been my semester. This semester, my travel has included: Chicago, Tucson, San Francisco/Palo Alto (4 times), LA (3 times), San Diego, New York (2 times), Portland, Seattle, Jamaica, and Miami (some of this was for callbacks) and this winter break I am going to Amsterdam, Brussels, Miami, The Bahamas, Honduras, Mexico, and Belize. In other words, you can definitely travel a LOT as a 2L at Penn.

I set my schedule up next semester so I only have class Tuesday-Thursday so I can, hopefully, travel more (I'm hoping London, Paris, Morocco, Montreal, Toronto, Vermont/New Hampshire, and, well, who knows where else). We'll see though.  ;)

How does this travel program work???

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« Reply #46 on: November 27, 2007, 05:24:16 PM »
Is it true that Penn 2Ls don't have to attend classes and can just travel all over the globe instead?

Haha. Yes, this has been my semester. This semester, my travel has included: Chicago, Tucson, San Francisco/Palo Alto (4 times), LA (3 times), San Diego, New York (2 times), Portland, Seattle, Jamaica, and Miami (some of this was for callbacks) and this winter break I am going to Amsterdam, Brussels, Miami, The Bahamas, Honduras, Mexico, and Belize. In other words, you can definitely travel a LOT as a 2L at Penn.

I set my schedule up next semester so I only have class Tuesday-Thursday so I can, hopefully, travel more (I'm hoping London, Paris, Morocco, Montreal, Toronto, Vermont/New Hampshire, and, well, who knows where else). We'll see though.  ;)

How does this travel program work???

Towelie doesn't believe in saving money, and interviewed at geographically diverse firms. That's how it works ;)

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<-- Egg on face.  How are you getting interviews even after having gotten (2) SA positions???

Re: Penn 2L taking questions for a little bit...
« Reply #47 on: November 27, 2007, 08:53:02 PM »
Towelie, wisely, had a firm job last summer, whereas I made $10/hr. by the good graces of Penn's subsidy for judicial internships.

But yeah, although interviewing is really stressful, the hotels and restaurants are great!

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Re: Penn 2L taking questions for a little bit...
« Reply #48 on: November 27, 2007, 10:41:02 PM »
Is it true that Penn 2Ls don't have to attend classes and can just travel all over the globe instead?

Haha. Yes, this has been my semester. This semester, my travel has included: Chicago, Tucson, San Francisco/Palo Alto (4 times), LA (3 times), San Diego, New York (2 times), Portland, Seattle, Jamaica, and Miami (some of this was for callbacks) and this winter break I am going to Amsterdam, Brussels, Miami, The Bahamas, Honduras, Mexico, and Belize. In other words, you can definitely travel a LOT as a 2L at Penn.

I set my schedule up next semester so I only have class Tuesday-Thursday so I can, hopefully, travel more (I'm hoping London, Paris, Morocco, Montreal, Toronto, Vermont/New Hampshire, and, well, who knows where else). We'll see though.  ;)

How does this travel program work???

Cady and Legapp are right, I wisely took a firm job last summer making BANK and I took that money and spent it on travel. Granted about 3 of my trips to SF/Palo Alto were paid for, along with a trip to LA, NYC, and a few more, but other than that I've paid for it myself. Ask Legapp or Cady, I come from a poor background - but working a firm job my 1L summer opened up a stream of income to me that I've been able to use to see places in the world and country I never thought I'd get to experience. I'll be working too hard as an associate to appreciate travel, might as well do it now.

Re: Penn 2L taking questions for a little bit...
« Reply #49 on: November 28, 2007, 07:01:30 AM »
Back to the OP...

Are you ever worried Penn will plunge down the T14 rankings for being "over-rated" or gaming US News?  Are you ever troubled by the fact that some people think it is vastly overrated?  Do you find any truth in those accusations?