Quote from: karlmarx4ever on December 22, 2007, 12:11:24 PMQuote from: vaplaugh on November 11, 2007, 09:56:11 PMQuote from: jalex519 on November 11, 2007, 08:15:39 PMTo the Mercer 1L and the rest of you with thoughts on the subject; out of Mercer and Georgia State, which do you think places better in North Florida? Mercer is closer to the region, but Georgia State is ranked higher...I don't think the US News ranking matters for regional employment with these two schools. (Last year Mercer was ranked higher than GA State).I have little hard data to answer your question. Neither school website is particularly helpful. However, Martindale indicates there are 32 Georgia State grads in Florida and 306 Mercer grads in Florida. These numbers would comport with my general feeling that quite a few Mercer graduates seek employment in Florida.first off, you won't place in FL from a ttt unless you have connections there.second, you're a 1L so i'll forgive your ignorance. i work at a V100 in atlanta. mercer's reputation isn't terribly great. emory and uga grads get first pick at the vault jobs. t14 also matriculate in. ga state and mercer get the scraps, but only if you're on law review with solid numbers. i know k&s goes down to mercer because they have a partner there from mercer, but that's about all you can expect at mercer. OCI options will be extremely limited given its location.most mercer grads end up working in rural communities in georgia. top 5% will land very nice market paying jobs in atl. top 15% or so with decent connections to atlanta will land ok jobs. everybody else will have it tough, especially with the economy the way it is.also keep this in mind: ga state is a rising powerhouse here in atlanta. they are new, which is why jobs have traditionally been harder for them to get. but since their numbers have been steadily rising, so has their reputation. ga state is rising at the expense of mercer. here's my advice: mercer is one of the most expensive schools to attend. it's second only to emory, yet has worse job placement than any school in GA. do not go unless you get a substantial scholarship there. substantial as in 2/3s will be covered. anything more than that, and you'll be paying down debt for 30 years.hope that helps.Way to come off sounding like a Jacka$$. You make me look nice. Anyway, Mercer isn't as bad as this clown is making it sound. Pull up any law firm in Atlanta, and look at an associate's bio. Unless they're from HYS, they'll almost certainly have served on a Journal, Law Review, or been a member of mootcourt/mock trial. This indicates that they're near the top of their class. This includes grads from Emory and UGA. Guess what that means? It means that you need to be in the top 1/3rd or so in your class even at UGA and Emory to get a biglaw job. Just like you need to be at Mercer. To get a BigLaw job, unless you go to HYS, or a T-14, you need to be near the top of your class and be on a journal or moot court. This is true of most law schools. Mercer included. That being said, if you want to practice in Atlanta, only go to Mercer if you don't get into GaState, UGA or Emory. This is because financially, it doesn't make sense to go to Mercer if you got into the other schools. By the way, I doubt Karlmarx4ever really works at a V100 firm in Atlanta. If you does, then he's the biggest loser I've ever heard of for hanging out on lawschooldiscussion.org as an associate.
Quote from: vaplaugh on November 11, 2007, 09:56:11 PMQuote from: jalex519 on November 11, 2007, 08:15:39 PMTo the Mercer 1L and the rest of you with thoughts on the subject; out of Mercer and Georgia State, which do you think places better in North Florida? Mercer is closer to the region, but Georgia State is ranked higher...I don't think the US News ranking matters for regional employment with these two schools. (Last year Mercer was ranked higher than GA State).I have little hard data to answer your question. Neither school website is particularly helpful. However, Martindale indicates there are 32 Georgia State grads in Florida and 306 Mercer grads in Florida. These numbers would comport with my general feeling that quite a few Mercer graduates seek employment in Florida.first off, you won't place in FL from a ttt unless you have connections there.second, you're a 1L so i'll forgive your ignorance. i work at a V100 in atlanta. mercer's reputation isn't terribly great. emory and uga grads get first pick at the vault jobs. t14 also matriculate in. ga state and mercer get the scraps, but only if you're on law review with solid numbers. i know k&s goes down to mercer because they have a partner there from mercer, but that's about all you can expect at mercer. OCI options will be extremely limited given its location.most mercer grads end up working in rural communities in georgia. top 5% will land very nice market paying jobs in atl. top 15% or so with decent connections to atlanta will land ok jobs. everybody else will have it tough, especially with the economy the way it is.also keep this in mind: ga state is a rising powerhouse here in atlanta. they are new, which is why jobs have traditionally been harder for them to get. but since their numbers have been steadily rising, so has their reputation. ga state is rising at the expense of mercer. here's my advice: mercer is one of the most expensive schools to attend. it's second only to emory, yet has worse job placement than any school in GA. do not go unless you get a substantial scholarship there. substantial as in 2/3s will be covered. anything more than that, and you'll be paying down debt for 30 years.hope that helps.
Quote from: jalex519 on November 11, 2007, 08:15:39 PMTo the Mercer 1L and the rest of you with thoughts on the subject; out of Mercer and Georgia State, which do you think places better in North Florida? Mercer is closer to the region, but Georgia State is ranked higher...I don't think the US News ranking matters for regional employment with these two schools. (Last year Mercer was ranked higher than GA State).I have little hard data to answer your question. Neither school website is particularly helpful. However, Martindale indicates there are 32 Georgia State grads in Florida and 306 Mercer grads in Florida. These numbers would comport with my general feeling that quite a few Mercer graduates seek employment in Florida.
To the Mercer 1L and the rest of you with thoughts on the subject; out of Mercer and Georgia State, which do you think places better in North Florida? Mercer is closer to the region, but Georgia State is ranked higher...
Quote from: yoyodawg on December 23, 2007, 05:46:29 PMQuote from: karlmarx4ever on December 22, 2007, 12:11:24 PMQuote from: vaplaugh on November 11, 2007, 09:56:11 PMQuote from: jalex519 on November 11, 2007, 08:15:39 PMTo the Mercer 1L and the rest of you with thoughts on the subject; out of Mercer and Georgia State, which do you think places better in North Florida? Mercer is closer to the region, but Georgia State is ranked higher...I don't think the US News ranking matters for regional employment with these two schools. (Last year Mercer was ranked higher than GA State).I have little hard data to answer your question. Neither school website is particularly helpful. However, Martindale indicates there are 32 Georgia State grads in Florida and 306 Mercer grads in Florida. These numbers would comport with my general feeling that quite a few Mercer graduates seek employment in Florida.first off, you won't place in FL from a ttt unless you have connections there.second, you're a 1L so i'll forgive your ignorance. i work at a V100 in atlanta. mercer's reputation isn't terribly great. emory and uga grads get first pick at the vault jobs. t14 also matriculate in. ga state and mercer get the scraps, but only if you're on law review with solid numbers. i know k&s goes down to mercer because they have a partner there from mercer, but that's about all you can expect at mercer. OCI options will be extremely limited given its location.most mercer grads end up working in rural communities in georgia. top 5% will land very nice market paying jobs in atl. top 15% or so with decent connections to atlanta will land ok jobs. everybody else will have it tough, especially with the economy the way it is.also keep this in mind: ga state is a rising powerhouse here in atlanta. they are new, which is why jobs have traditionally been harder for them to get. but since their numbers have been steadily rising, so has their reputation. ga state is rising at the expense of mercer. here's my advice: mercer is one of the most expensive schools to attend. it's second only to emory, yet has worse job placement than any school in GA. do not go unless you get a substantial scholarship there. substantial as in 2/3s will be covered. anything more than that, and you'll be paying down debt for 30 years.hope that helps.Way to come off sounding like a Jacka$$. You make me look nice. Anyway, Mercer isn't as bad as this clown is making it sound. Pull up any law firm in Atlanta, and look at an associate's bio. Unless they're from HYS, they'll almost certainly have served on a Journal, Law Review, or been a member of mootcourt/mock trial. This indicates that they're near the top of their class. This includes grads from Emory and UGA. Guess what that means? It means that you need to be in the top 1/3rd or so in your class even at UGA and Emory to get a biglaw job. Just like you need to be at Mercer. To get a BigLaw job, unless you go to HYS, or a T-14, you need to be near the top of your class and be on a journal or moot court. This is true of most law schools. Mercer included. That being said, if you want to practice in Atlanta, only go to Mercer if you don't get into GaState, UGA or Emory. This is because financially, it doesn't make sense to go to Mercer if you got into the other schools. By the way, I doubt Karlmarx4ever really works at a V100 firm in Atlanta. If you does, then he's the biggest loser I've ever heard of for hanging out on lawschooldiscussion.org as an associate. Third, you will NOT (I repeat: WILL NOT) get biglaw from Mercer by graduating in the top 1/3 like Emory. To put Mercer in a league with Emory is lunacy. Emory grads on law review end up at vault 20 firms in NY and other markets. Most don't stick around in a secondary market like Atlanta. Top 40% or so get biglaw from Emory. At UGA, 1/3 is about right. At GA State, it's about %15. At Mercer, you're looking at %5 roughly, or about 8% if you're being very generous.
Quote from: karlmarx4ever on December 23, 2007, 06:30:36 PMQuote from: yoyodawg on December 23, 2007, 05:46:29 PMQuote from: karlmarx4ever on December 22, 2007, 12:11:24 PMQuote from: vaplaugh on November 11, 2007, 09:56:11 PMQuote from: jalex519 on November 11, 2007, 08:15:39 PMTo the Mercer 1L and the rest of you with thoughts on the subject; out of Mercer and Georgia State, which do you think places better in North Florida? Mercer is closer to the region, but Georgia State is ranked higher...I don't think the US News ranking matters for regional employment with these two schools. (Last year Mercer was ranked higher than GA State).I have little hard data to answer your question. Neither school website is particularly helpful. However, Martindale indicates there are 32 Georgia State grads in Florida and 306 Mercer grads in Florida. These numbers would comport with my general feeling that quite a few Mercer graduates seek employment in Florida.first off, you won't place in FL from a ttt unless you have connections there.second, you're a 1L so i'll forgive your ignorance. i work at a V100 in atlanta. mercer's reputation isn't terribly great. emory and uga grads get first pick at the vault jobs. t14 also matriculate in. ga state and mercer get the scraps, but only if you're on law review with solid numbers. i know k&s goes down to mercer because they have a partner there from mercer, but that's about all you can expect at mercer. OCI options will be extremely limited given its location.most mercer grads end up working in rural communities in georgia. top 5% will land very nice market paying jobs in atl. top 15% or so with decent connections to atlanta will land ok jobs. everybody else will have it tough, especially with the economy the way it is.also keep this in mind: ga state is a rising powerhouse here in atlanta. they are new, which is why jobs have traditionally been harder for them to get. but since their numbers have been steadily rising, so has their reputation. ga state is rising at the expense of mercer. here's my advice: mercer is one of the most expensive schools to attend. it's second only to emory, yet has worse job placement than any school in GA. do not go unless you get a substantial scholarship there. substantial as in 2/3s will be covered. anything more than that, and you'll be paying down debt for 30 years.hope that helps.Way to come off sounding like a Jacka$$. You make me look nice. Anyway, Mercer isn't as bad as this clown is making it sound. Pull up any law firm in Atlanta, and look at an associate's bio. Unless they're from HYS, they'll almost certainly have served on a Journal, Law Review, or been a member of mootcourt/mock trial. This indicates that they're near the top of their class. This includes grads from Emory and UGA. Guess what that means? It means that you need to be in the top 1/3rd or so in your class even at UGA and Emory to get a biglaw job. Just like you need to be at Mercer. To get a BigLaw job, unless you go to HYS, or a T-14, you need to be near the top of your class and be on a journal or moot court. This is true of most law schools. Mercer included. That being said, if you want to practice in Atlanta, only go to Mercer if you don't get into GaState, UGA or Emory. This is because financially, it doesn't make sense to go to Mercer if you got into the other schools. By the way, I doubt Karlmarx4ever really works at a V100 firm in Atlanta. If you does, then he's the biggest loser I've ever heard of for hanging out on lawschooldiscussion.org as an associate. Third, you will NOT (I repeat: WILL NOT) get biglaw from Mercer by graduating in the top 1/3 like Emory. To put Mercer in a league with Emory is lunacy. Emory grads on law review end up at vault 20 firms in NY and other markets. Most don't stick around in a secondary market like Atlanta. Top 40% or so get biglaw from Emory. At UGA, 1/3 is about right. At GA State, it's about %15. At Mercer, you're looking at %5 roughly, or about 8% if you're being very generous. Are you out of your mind? Most Emory grads, including those on Law Review DO stick around Atlanta. If you want, I can get the numbers from Emory's website. Your class rank logic is also a little screwy. Top 8%? I go to lawschool, (Not Mercer, but since we're protecting anonymity, it's just outside the top 50) and I've never seen an OCI listing as having a top 8% as a cut off. Top 10% yeah, but top 8%? You're just making crap up now. Yes, Emory definately puts you in a much better position to get a job in Atlanta. However, you're not going to be handed a Biglaw job just by "being in the top 40%" of the Emory class. Neither will you be given one just by being in the "top 1/3rd" of UGA. I'm not putting Mercer in the same league as Emory, however, you're being ridiculous if you're saying you can't get a biglaw job in Atlanta if you go to Mercer. You're also being crazy if you think you can just have a mediocre class rank at Emory and still get a biglaw job. You better have something else going for you as well. (journal or mootcourt/mock trial)Finally, you say you work at a V-100 in Atlanta? Really? What type of work do you do? What is your billable requirement? Lets talk about case-law. What was your favorite subject in lawschool? What do you hate about the parole evidence rule? Do you find that UCC-2A is better than the CISG? Tell me what process one uses to remove a case? What do think the longterm impact of Lawrence will be? Who do you like better, Holmes or Scalia and why?
Quote from: yoyodawg on December 23, 2007, 07:16:46 PMQuote from: karlmarx4ever on December 23, 2007, 06:30:36 PMQuote from: yoyodawg on December 23, 2007, 05:46:29 PMQuote from: karlmarx4ever on December 22, 2007, 12:11:24 PMQuote from: vaplaugh on November 11, 2007, 09:56:11 PMQuote from: jalex519 on November 11, 2007, 08:15:39 PMTo the Mercer 1L and the rest of you with thoughts on the subject; out of Mercer and Georgia State, which do you think places better in North Florida? Mercer is closer to the region, but Georgia State is ranked higher...I don't think the US News ranking matters for regional employment with these two schools. (Last year Mercer was ranked higher than GA State).I have little hard data to answer your question. Neither school website is particularly helpful. However, Martindale indicates there are 32 Georgia State grads in Florida and 306 Mercer grads in Florida. These numbers would comport with my general feeling that quite a few Mercer graduates seek employment in Florida.first off, you won't place in FL from a ttt unless you have connections there.second, you're a 1L so i'll forgive your ignorance. i work at a V100 in atlanta. mercer's reputation isn't terribly great. emory and uga grads get first pick at the vault jobs. t14 also matriculate in. ga state and mercer get the scraps, but only if you're on law review with solid numbers. i know k&s goes down to mercer because they have a partner there from mercer, but that's about all you can expect at mercer. OCI options will be extremely limited given its location.most mercer grads end up working in rural communities in georgia. top 5% will land very nice market paying jobs in atl. top 15% or so with decent connections to atlanta will land ok jobs. everybody else will have it tough, especially with the economy the way it is.also keep this in mind: ga state is a rising powerhouse here in atlanta. they are new, which is why jobs have traditionally been harder for them to get. but since their numbers have been steadily rising, so has their reputation. ga state is rising at the expense of mercer. here's my advice: mercer is one of the most expensive schools to attend. it's second only to emory, yet has worse job placement than any school in GA. do not go unless you get a substantial scholarship there. substantial as in 2/3s will be covered. anything more than that, and you'll be paying down debt for 30 years.hope that helps.Way to come off sounding like a Jacka$$. You make me look nice. Anyway, Mercer isn't as bad as this clown is making it sound. Pull up any law firm in Atlanta, and look at an associate's bio. Unless they're from HYS, they'll almost certainly have served on a Journal, Law Review, or been a member of mootcourt/mock trial. This indicates that they're near the top of their class. This includes grads from Emory and UGA. Guess what that means? It means that you need to be in the top 1/3rd or so in your class even at UGA and Emory to get a biglaw job. Just like you need to be at Mercer. To get a BigLaw job, unless you go to HYS, or a T-14, you need to be near the top of your class and be on a journal or moot court. This is true of most law schools. Mercer included. That being said, if you want to practice in Atlanta, only go to Mercer if you don't get into GaState, UGA or Emory. This is because financially, it doesn't make sense to go to Mercer if you got into the other schools. By the way, I doubt Karlmarx4ever really works at a V100 firm in Atlanta. If you does, then he's the biggest loser I've ever heard of for hanging out on lawschooldiscussion.org as an associate. Third, you will NOT (I repeat: WILL NOT) get biglaw from Mercer by graduating in the top 1/3 like Emory. To put Mercer in a league with Emory is lunacy. Emory grads on law review end up at vault 20 firms in NY and other markets. Most don't stick around in a secondary market like Atlanta. Top 40% or so get biglaw from Emory. At UGA, 1/3 is about right. At GA State, it's about %15. At Mercer, you're looking at %5 roughly, or about 8% if you're being very generous. Are you out of your mind? Most Emory grads, including those on Law Review DO stick around Atlanta. If you want, I can get the numbers from Emory's website. Your class rank logic is also a little screwy. Top 8%? I go to lawschool, (Not Mercer, but since we're protecting anonymity, it's just outside the top 50) and I've never seen an OCI listing as having a top 8% as a cut off. Top 10% yeah, but top 8%? You're just making crap up now. Yes, Emory definately puts you in a much better position to get a job in Atlanta. However, you're not going to be handed a Biglaw job just by "being in the top 40%" of the Emory class. Neither will you be given one just by being in the "top 1/3rd" of UGA. I'm not putting Mercer in the same league as Emory, however, you're being ridiculous if you're saying you can't get a biglaw job in Atlanta if you go to Mercer. You're also being crazy if you think you can just have a mediocre class rank at Emory and still get a biglaw job. You better have something else going for you as well. (journal or mootcourt/mock trial)Finally, you say you work at a V-100 in Atlanta? Really? What type of work do you do? What is your billable requirement? Lets talk about case-law. What was your favorite subject in lawschool? What do you hate about the parole evidence rule? Do you find that UCC-2A is better than the CISG? Tell me what process one uses to remove a case? What do think the longterm impact of Lawrence will be? Who do you like better, Holmes or Scalia and why? First, the numbers I give are not exact obviously. These are my highly educated ESTIMATES. These numbers are not an exact science since TTTs don't exactly give a precise number of grads who end up at vault firms. Why would mercer (or any TTT for that matter) do that? To showcase the 6 or 7 people who work at K&S, A&B or troutman each year? That would be horrible publicity.I am very, very, VERY well aware of where Emory grads go. Most end up in Atl. Ones on LR (primary and secondary) have mobility to other markets. A lot end up in v20 firms in NY and elsewhere in the northeast, just as I said before. You can look up all the statistics you want, because I know that is 100% accurate. Just outside the top 50? Hope you're happy at UGA. You better grade higher than the median or you'll be hitting the pavement like Mercer grads. And that'll suck mail merging 400 resumes.I'll bill just over 2000 hours this year. My bonus will be modest. As for the other poo, I'm not going to sit on this board and waste my time with that. You can either take my advice or not. I have no incentive to sit on a forum like this and bull. Take it or leave it. I am just offering sobering advice. The kids reading this can either take it and save themselves $100k or not take it and owe $100k while making a paltry $50k a yr working craplaw. I came out owing $140k for what it's worth. It will take me 4 years to pay that off with a market salary while living a 'normal' lifestyle. Extrapolate those payments and cost of living to someone making 1/3 what I am. I cannot fathom that.Also, I said 5-8% of mercer grads WILL END UP IN BIGLAW. Just because they pass prescreening for OCI does NOT mean they will get offered. Half the ones who passed prescreen will get dinged in the interviewing process. The rest will get an SA gig. That puts it at about 5-8%, which is my highly educated guess. Actually read what I said instead of getting emotional.I think I've said what needs to be said here.
Quote from: vaplaugh on November 11, 2007, 09:56:11 PMQuote from: jalex519 on November 11, 2007, 08:15:39 PMTo the Mercer 1L and the rest of you with thoughts on the subject; out of Mercer and Georgia State, which do you think places better in North Florida? Mercer is closer to the region, but Georgia State is ranked higher...I don't think the US News ranking matters for regional employment with these two schools. (Last year Mercer was ranked higher than GA State).I have little hard data to answer your question. Neither school website is particularly helpful. However, Martindale indicates there are 32 Georgia State grads in Florida and 306 Mercer grads in Florida. These numbers would comport with my general feeling that quite a few Mercer graduates seek employment in Florida.first off, you won't place in FL from a ttt unless you have connections there.
second, you're a 1L so i'll forgive your ignorance. i work at a V100 in atlanta. mercer's reputation isn't terribly great. emory and uga grads get first pick at the vault jobs. t14 also matriculate in. ga state and mercer get the scraps, but only if you're on law review with solid numbers. i know k&s goes down to mercer because they have a partner there from mercer, but that's about all you can expect at mercer. OCI options will be extremely limited given its location.most mercer grads end up working in rural communities in Georgia. top 5% will land very nice market paying jobs in atl. top 15% or so with decent connections to atlanta will land ok jobs. everybody else will have it tough, especially with the economy the way it is.also keep this in mind: ga state is a rising powerhouse here in atlanta. they are new, which is why jobs have traditionally been harder for them to get. but since their numbers have been steadily rising, so has their reputation. ga state is rising at the expense of mercer.
here's my advice: mercer is one of the most expensive schools to attend. it's second only to emory, yet has worse job placement than any school in GA. do not go unless you get a substantial scholarship there. substantial as in 2/3s will be covered. anything more than that, and you'll be paying down debt for 30 years.
Hey, what do you think about 2nd tier schools? Would you rather choose to attend 1st tier schools even if you can get significant amount of money by attending 2nd tier school? Is attending 3rd tier school really waste of money? My friend was accepted by Mercer but decided to take the LSAT again because she heard so many negative things about TTT schools. BTW I am an undergrad whos taking the LSAT in few weeks. I would be really thankful for some general advice about choosing law school.
Tier 3 schools are never worth the money even with a full scholarship. The odds of landing a decent job out of those schools is so slim that you might as well call it a 0% chance.
Bottom line: your friend was smart. If the only school you get accepted to is mercer, then my advice is to not go.