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Re: What's the Singles Scene like in Law School?
« Reply #50 on: November 06, 2007, 01:24:43 PM »
One could, I whole-heartedly believe, have more control over their appearance than their personality or intelligence. Therefore, choosing to date women on the basis of physical beauty can be construed as seeking a personality-type that strives for self-improvement, a trait I, as most people I assume, consider admirable. Since, as they say, you can't fix stupid, it's best to focus on the things you can improve!

I don't see how intelligence is relevant in a person at all. Might be that intelligence is commonly used on factors such as education, knowledge, literacy etc which of course all affect how interesting a person is to converse with. However, intelligence in it's real form really only related to things like maths, physics etc and I don't think having a partner who's exceptionally good at figuring out which asymetric figures with together is a winning recipe for happiness. Surely, I wouldn't want to date a drooling mental patient with a 65 IQ, but I doubt very much you'd be able to spot the difference between a person with a 105 IQ and a 160 IQ in a normal, everyday conversation.

Intelligence is a measure, a summation, of a person capacity for cognitive functioning. While it does relate to maths, sciences and other 'pure' exploits (idiot savante-esque 'Rainman' segues aside) it is also evidenced in every aspect of your life. When I'm having a conversation with a person, I'd like for them to have the capacity to understand what I'm saying, process it and offer insights, rejoinders, rebuttals etc.

While it may be true that someone with a high intelligence, or capacity for intelligence, fails in this arena due to a lack of the previously aforementioned techniques, processes and facts. It is almost certainly true that someone with a low intelligence will fail, or be hindered as well, despite their reserve of techniques, processes and facts.

To use a poor colloquialism, I enjoy being around people with a brain in their skull, and that is not because I want them to do math problems with me.

I'm going to have to start with the computer analogy again, I bet.

I would also assume that on average educated people are more intelligent, despite there being some obvious, glaring counter-examples

Anyway, since we're looking at the singles scene I guess it's more about hooking up than finding eternal happiness?

I'd say it's just that they are more likely to realize more of their potential, augmenting their base intelligence with taught techniques.

Educated people are the tuned cars.

Uneducated are the stock.

Intelligence is horsepower.

You need a lot more base intelligence to compete with the person who's intelligence has been streamlined through education.

Yay analogies!

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And if it's just about hooking up, who cares. So long as they're smart enough to undress and don't say anything too dumb at the inopportune moment :D

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Re: What's the Singles Scene like in Law School?
« Reply #51 on: November 06, 2007, 01:39:39 PM »
Word ;)

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Re: What's the Singles Scene like in Law School?
« Reply #52 on: November 06, 2007, 02:23:03 PM »
Sometimes there's very much of a sense of fulfillment from the mere fact that your partner can "keep up with" you.

My position, exactly.

Re: What's the Singles Scene like in Law School?
« Reply #53 on: November 07, 2007, 06:21:53 AM »
I don't see how intelligence is relevant in a person at all. Might be that intelligence is commonly used on factors such as education, knowledge, literacy etc which of course all affect how interesting a person is to converse with. However, intelligence in it's real form really only related to things like maths, physics etc and I don't think having a partner who's exceptionally good at figuring out which asymetric figures with together is a winning recipe for happiness. Surely, I wouldn't want to date a drooling mental patient with a 65 IQ, but I doubt very much you'd be able to spot the difference between a person with a 105 IQ and a 160 IQ in a normal, everyday conversation.

I reccomend you meet a few people with an IQ of 160 and a fewe who you knwo to be in the 105 area. If you can't spot the difference I will eat my hat. (And no pretending you dont see it).

Or how is this for an experiemnt you give me ten people 5 105's, 5 160's and I will only converse, no testing. And I will bet 1k per person I can tell them apart.

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Re: What's the Singles Scene like in Law School?
« Reply #54 on: November 07, 2007, 06:46:10 AM »
I reccomend you meet a few people with an IQ of 160 and a fewe who you knwo to be in the 105 area. If you can't spot the difference I will eat my hat. (And no pretending you dont see it).

Or how is this for an experiemnt you give me ten people 5 105's, 5 160's and I will only converse, no testing. And I will bet 1k per person I can tell them apart.

Actually, I know a lot of people in both camps. Personally, I have a 165 score on a Stanford-Binet 5 test, about the most accurate test around. I have several high IQ friends, among others a surgeon and an astrophysicist, both extremely intelligent, neither particularly interesting as a conversation partner. I also have friends working as shop clerks, and that kinda stuff. I have a friend who flunked out of high school, never completed any education, probably would struggle to beat 100 on an IQ test, but he's a top level snowboarder, he has traveled the world, seen and experienced things most people never will. I'll pick him for a conversation over the astrogeek any day of the week.

I honestly think what you mean by intelligence isn't actual intelligence, its experience and knowledge. Thinking that can only come from education or being genetically gifted is very snobbish and very naive. Instead of me meeting more of the same people I already know, I'd suggest you start socializing with a bit different crowd and perhaps keep a more open mind.

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the 160's will likely be much more socially awkward than the 105's

Ive been tested between 150-160 (no, not by online tests, those say my IQ is approaching 1 in 1 billion  Roll Eyes ), and I cant hold up a conversation to save my life.
I dunno, many people struggle with this and I don't think it's related to your IQ at all. I think perhaps more intelligent people are more aware and bothered by their social awkwardness because they feel that they should be the center of conversation.

 

Re: What's the Singles Scene like in Law School?
« Reply #55 on: November 07, 2007, 04:18:00 PM »
Yes, its true when us guys get to law school we suddenly become handsome, charming, rich, and rid ourselves of any personality quirks we had before....OR NOT.  Some undergrads may be initially impressed, maybe, some won't care, but after that if you were not a lady's man before, law school doesn't magically transform you.

Some of my friends date law school guys b/c they want to marry a lawyer.

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Re: What's the Singles Scene like in Law School?
« Reply #56 on: November 07, 2007, 05:15:09 PM »
Where do you go to take an IQ test?  I've always been very curious.  I called the psychology department at my school and they said they only do it if there's a legitimate counseling reason.  Where else can you go?

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Re: What's the Singles Scene like in Law School?
« Reply #57 on: November 07, 2007, 08:39:16 PM »
As a Psych major and someone's who's been through that several times (on both sides of the desk), it's not really worth a damn. IQ just gives you a static number, but doesn't say much about your ability to use it or optimize it.

'scuse the annoyance, but we hear to much about this day in and day out  :-X

Re: What's the Singles Scene like in Law School?
« Reply #58 on: November 07, 2007, 09:21:03 PM »
I reccomend you meet a few people with an IQ of 160 and a fewe who you knwo to be in the 105 area. If you can't spot the difference I will eat my hat. (And no pretending you dont see it).

Or how is this for an experiemnt you give me ten people 5 105's, 5 160's and I will only converse, no testing. And I will bet 1k per person I can tell them apart.

Actually, I know a lot of people in both camps. Personally, I have a 165 score on a Stanford-Binet 5 test, about the most accurate test around. I have several high IQ friends, among others a surgeon and an astrophysicist, both extremely intelligent, neither particularly interesting as a conversation partner. I also have friends working as shop clerks, and that kinda stuff. I have a friend who flunked out of high school, never completed any education, probably would struggle to beat 100 on an IQ test, but he's a top level snowboarder, he has traveled the world, seen and experienced things most people never will. I'll pick him for a conversation over the astrogeek any day of the week.

I honestly think what you mean by intelligence isn't actual intelligence, its experience and knowledge. Thinking that can only come from education or being genetically gifted is very snobbish and very naive. Instead of me meeting more of the same people I already know, I'd suggest you start socializing with a bit different crowd and perhaps keep a more open mind.

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the 160's will likely be much more socially awkward than the 105's

Ive been tested between 150-160 (no, not by online tests, those say my IQ is approaching 1 in 1 billion  Roll Eyes ), and I cant hold up a conversation to save my life.
I dunno, many people struggle with this and I don't think it's related to your IQ at all. I think perhaps more intelligent people are more aware and bothered by their social awkwardness because they feel that they should be the center of conversation.

 

CUTE a strawman...

I didnt say intelligent peopel were better for conversation, in fact I think there is a strong case for negative marginal returns on intelligence as it relates to conversational interest. I have plenty of people in my life who I know are in the 105 area and who are wonderful conversationalists.

Your original argument was you couldnt distinguish between them and I disagreed in the strongest terms with this. As I said before tho I readily concede intelligence isnt some magical thign that boosts yoru ability to be interesting in conversations. Real life experience and a unique world-view help here.

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Re: What's the Singles Scene like in Law School?
« Reply #59 on: November 07, 2007, 10:55:09 PM »
Where do you go to take an IQ test?  I've always been very curious.  I called the psychology department at my school and they said they only do it if there's a legitimate counseling reason.  Where else can you go?

Mensa's tests would probably be a good place to start. They administer tests 3-4 times a year in a lot of locations.

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Your original argument was you couldnt distinguish between them and I disagreed in the strongest terms with this. As I said before tho I readily concede intelligence isnt some magical thign that boosts yoru ability to be interesting in conversations. Real life experience and a unique world-view help here.

No, my original statement was that you wouldn't spot the difference in an everyday conversation. That is, typical small talk, friend to friend dialog. But even for more technical topics, you're more likely to notice their difference in education not in IQ.