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How fluent is fluent?

How fluent is fluent?
« on: October 16, 2007, 07:11:17 PM »
I speak some Portuguese but I doubt that I could discuss anything other than the weather with a Brazilian. I could order food in a restaurant but is this fluent enough to mention it on my resume?

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Re: How fluent is fluent?
« Reply #1 on: October 16, 2007, 07:18:47 PM »
Eu acho que talvez eu falo um pouco melhor que voce, mas nao muito bem.

Anyway, I said I have "basic proficiency" in Portuguese and French.  I figure it's close enough, even if I'm not quite what I would call proficient.  I've managed to get around in Brazil and France on my own without using English, so I think it's fair enough.

Re: How fluent is fluent?
« Reply #2 on: October 16, 2007, 07:32:15 PM »
I put "conversational" to denote that level of proficiency. 

Re: How fluent is fluent?
« Reply #3 on: October 16, 2007, 07:35:55 PM »
Just put down 'working knowledge.'

And in a related question, what is is?

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Re: How fluent is fluent?
« Reply #4 on: October 16, 2007, 08:30:15 PM »
Just put down 'working knowledge.'

And in a related question, what is is?

Depends which language you're speaking.

Re: How fluent is fluent?
« Reply #5 on: October 16, 2007, 08:36:28 PM »
Just put down 'working knowledge.'

And in a related question, what is is?

assuming that you're asking about Portuguese, 'is' is 'e'.
"He is a man" would be "Ele 'e' um homen"

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Re: How fluent is fluent?
« Reply #6 on: October 16, 2007, 08:50:50 PM »
Just put down 'working knowledge.'

And in a related question, what is is?

assuming that you're asking about Portuguese, 'is' is 'e'.
"He is a man" would be "Ele 'e' um homen"

Unless he happens to only be a man for the moment, in which case it's "Ele esta um homem".

:)

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Re: How fluent is fluent?
« Reply #7 on: October 16, 2007, 09:21:17 PM »
apparently "Fluent" is pretty vague:


flu·ent      /ˈfluənt/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[floo-uhnt] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–adjective
1.   spoken or written with ease: fluent French.
2.   able to speak or write smoothly, easily, or readily: a fluent speaker; fluent in six languages.
3.   easy; graceful: fluent motion; fluent curves.
4.   flowing, as a stream.
5.   capable of flowing; fluid, as liquids or gases.
6.   easily changed or adapted; pliant.

Re: How fluent is fluent?
« Reply #8 on: October 16, 2007, 09:56:28 PM »
I think that fluent is when you can pick up a book in a given language, read it, understand it completely, or if you are put in an environment where only the foreign language is spoken, you can converse freely in that language.

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Re: How fluent is fluent?
« Reply #9 on: October 16, 2007, 11:53:48 PM »
i was curious about this too... i wrote down "proficiency" for german because i can chat about the weather, and have deeper conversations with lots of explanation, but i definitely don't speak like a native. if you moved to brazil, how long would it take for you to speak like a native (excusing accent and odd forms of phrase)?