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Where can I get me some white privilege?

Re: Where can I get me some white privilege?
« Reply #20 on: October 10, 2007, 12:09:41 PM »
Though any objective person who has stepped foot on a college campus or has read mainstream elementary school textbooks, can attest that Europeans are usually portrayed as a worldwide evil (ironically, how eurocentric).

I'm not really going to bother with the rest of your nonsensical garbage, but this post is somewhat telling.

Sure, there are efforts to improve upon the accuracy of historical narratives. The fact that you find this threatening  suggests that you're clinging on to something.

And what would that be? ;)

I don't see where in any of his posts that pontif makes any reference to being threatened. 

As for Italians, Croatians, etc. trading in their cultural identity-I know many people who are very proud of their heritage.  That fact that not everyone is listed on government forms (whereas white-or of European decent is) does not suggest that they are trying to cash in on white privilege. 

It may be true "white culture" is more prevalent in America-after all North America was colonized by Europeans.  They established the government and rules.  Since that time many different ethnic groups have come to the United States to enjoy the freedoms and benefits of a country established upon Christian and European heritage.  Great strides have been made in opening up American culture so that it is free and fair to everyone involved.  That fact that white aspects of culture are still common (after all the majority of the population is still white-in some places-and Europeans were the first to colonize here) does not mean that America is racist or that so called 'white privilege' dominates an individual's destiny in life. 

Further, according to your logic if the fact that white people are not pushing for a "brown America" is proof that whites are racist and want 'white privilege', then Blacks and Latinos who eagerly await the day that whites become the minority are themselves racists; it also indicates that they are in favor of establishing a system of 'brown privilege' (read: racists).  As for the birthrates thing: poorer segments of society have higher birthrates.  These areas are also more likely to have single parent (usually mother) households.  It is well documented that people who are poor and who lack a male role model in their lives are more likely to commit crime and father children out of wedlock themselves. Not to mention the additional burden on welfare services. 

I tell you what. I pass a homeless white guy almost everyday on the corner near my home. I refuse to give him a damn thing. And I'm ok with myself about that. Why? Because he's a hot shower and a shave away from reminding some hiring manager or gatekeeper somewhere of his/her son/uncle/brother/dad/friend. I never give white people the warm fuzzies. Even when they like it isn't because I strike a chord of familiarity within them. Therefore I let homeless white men be the bag of other whitefolk. I expend my limited resources on those that don't have nearly as many people losing sleep over -- black women and girls. Someone's got to love them and I save my dollars for them.

This is the real racism in America.  Good job on becoming a source of the very same practice you claim to stand against.
It is hard to take your argument about racism in America seriously, when you reek of racist ideology and actions.  I give my money to anyone who stands in need-regardless of race or sex.  The only thing I judge is how they are going to use it(since most homeless today, are homeless because of alcohol and drug addictions).  If they need it for a bus ticket or food-then i will take them there and buy it for them. 

Re: Where can I get me some white privilege?
« Reply #21 on: October 12, 2007, 08:47:56 AM »
Peggy McIntosh

"I decided to try to work on myself at least by identifying some of the daily effects of white privilege in my life. I have chosen those conditions that I think in my case attach somewhat more to skin-color privilege than to class, religion, ethnic status, or geographic location, though of course all these other factors are intricately intertwined. As far as I can tell, my African American coworkers, friends, and acquaintances with whom I come into daily or frequent contact in this particular time, place and time of work cannot count on most of these conditions."

1. I can if I wish arrange to be in the company of people of my race most of the time.

2. I can avoid spending time with people whom I was trained to mistrust and who have learned to mistrust my kind or me.

3. If I should need to move, I can be pretty sure of renting or purchasing housing in an area which I can afford and in which I would want to live.

4. I can be pretty sure that my neighbors in such a location will be neutral or pleasant to me.

5. I can go shopping alone most of the time, pretty well assured that I will not be followed or harassed.

6. I can turn on the television or open to the front page of the paper and see people of my race widely represented.

7. When I am told about our national heritage or about "civilization," I am shown that people of my color made it what it is.

8. I can be sure that my children will be given curricular materials that testify to the existence of their race.

9. If I want to, I can be pretty sure of finding a publisher for this piece on white privilege.

10. I can be pretty sure of having my voice heard in a group in which I am the only member of my race.

11. I can be casual about whether or not to listen to another person's voice in a group in which s/he is the only member of his/her race.

12. I can go into a music shop and count on finding the music of my race represented, into a supermarket and find the staple foods which fit with my cultural traditions, into a hairdresser's shop and find someone who can cut my hair.

13. Whether I use checks, credit cards or cash, I can count on my skin color not to work against the appearance of financial reliability.

14. I can arrange to protect my children most of the time from people who might not like them.

15. I do not have to educate my children to be aware of systemic racism for their own daily physical protection.

16. I can be pretty sure that my children's teachers and employers will tolerate them if they fit school and workplace norms; my chief worries about them do not concern others' attitudes toward their race.

17. I can talk with my mouth full and not have people put this down to my color.

18. I can swear, or dress in second hand clothes, or not answer letters, without having people attribute these choices to the bad morals, the poverty or the illiteracy of my race.

19. I can speak in public to a powerful male group without putting my race on trial.

20. I can do well in a challenging situation without being called a credit to my race.

21. I am never asked to speak for all the people of my racial group.

22. I can remain oblivious of the language and customs of persons of color who constitute the world's majority without feeling in my culture any penalty for such oblivion.

23. I can criticize our government and talk about how much I fear its policies and behavior without being seen as a cultural outsider.

24. I can be pretty sure that if I ask to talk to the "person in charge", I will be facing a person of my race.

25. If a traffic cop pulls me over or if the IRS audits my tax return, I can be sure I haven't been singled out because of my race.

26. I can easily buy posters, post-cards, picture books, greeting cards, dolls, toys and children's magazines featuring people of my race.

27. I can go home from most meetings of organizations I belong to feeling somewhat tied in, rather than isolated, out-of-place, outnumbered, unheard, held at a distance or feared.

28. I can be pretty sure that an argument with a colleague of another race is more likely to jeopardize her/his chances for advancement than to jeopardize mine.

29. I can be pretty sure that if I argue for the promotion of a person of another race, or a program centering on race, this is not likely to cost me heavily within my present setting, even if my colleagues disagree with me.

30. If I declare there is a racial issue at hand, or there isn't a racial issue at hand, my race will lend me more credibility for either position than a person of color will have.

31. I can choose to ignore developments in minority writing and minority activist programs, or disparage them, or learn from them, but in any case, I can find ways to be more or less protected from negative consequences of any of these choices.

32. My culture gives me little fear about ignoring the perspectives and powers of people of other races.

33. I am not made acutely aware that my shape, bearing or body odor will be taken as a reflection on my race.

34. I can worry about racism without being seen as self-interested or self-seeking.

35. I can take a job with an affirmative action employer without having my co-workers on the job suspect that I got it because of my race.

36. If my day, week or year is going badly, I need not ask of each negative episode or situation whether it had racial overtones.

37. I can be pretty sure of finding people who would be willing to talk with me and advise me about my next steps, professionally.

38. I can think over many options, social, political, imaginative or professional, without asking whether a person of my race would be accepted or allowed to do what I want to do.

39. I can be late to a meeting without having the lateness reflect on my race.

40. I can choose public accommodation without fearing that people of my race cannot get in or will be mistreated in the places I have chosen.

41. I can be sure that if I need legal or medical help, my race will not work against me.

42. I can arrange my activities so that I will never have to experience feelings of rejection owing to my race.

43. If I have low credibility as a leader I can be sure that my race is not the problem.

44. I can easily find academic courses and institutions which give attention only to people of my race.

45. I can expect figurative language and imagery in all of the arts to testify to experiences of my race.

46. I can chose blemish cover or bandages in "flesh" color and have them more or less match my skin.

47. I can travel alone or with my spouse without expecting embarrassment or hostility in those who deal with us.

48. I have no difficulty finding neighborhoods where people approve of our household.

49. My children are given texts and classes which implicitly support our kind of family unit and do not turn them against my choice of domestic partnership.

50. I will feel welcomed and "normal" in the usual walks of public life, institutional and social.

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Re: Where can I get me some white privilege?
« Reply #22 on: October 12, 2007, 10:58:31 AM »
That would also explain the "flesh" colored band aids.  If more people bought darker colored band aids, then they would be more widely available. 

This would also explain the proportion of white people on TV and in advertising.  It's the market that has made these decisions, not racism.  Further, the purchasing power of whites is greater than their proportion to the population, which also adds to the explanation. 

I have lived in several places where I was in the extreme minority "for my race" and I never once felt like I was tired of seeing the faces of races other than my own.  You might counter this by saying "Well, you could always move some place white.  Blah, blah, blah..."   If that is the case, then you could always move some place black (or latino or asian).  There are many places where these races are definitely in the majority.  Or, you could be like many of the white South Africans who have left their country for the Europe, Australia or the U.S. 

The point is, all of the comments on Peggy's list are relative.  There are people of any race that could make the same argument somewhere (both within the U.S. and without). 

Re: Where can I get me some white privilege?
« Reply #23 on: October 12, 2007, 11:18:58 AM »
Also, in the urban areas where I lived the high schools weren't new, but they weren't awful.  The schools seemed to have many of the same problems that my suburban San Diego high school had-under funded, old technology, huge class sizes, under qualified teachers, etc.  What I noticed was that in both places, high schoolers got what they wanted out of their education.  Plenty of kids decided that they just didn't care about school or getting an education.  While there were plenty of kids at my HS that dropped out, the kids in the urban areas seemed to care even less about school.  I think a lot of it had to do with the value placed on education by the community. 

Furthermore, when I was getting ready to apply to college I realized how many thousands of different colleges and universities there are in U.S.  Sure, you might not be able to get into Harvard from your HS but there are plenty of chance to go to a junior college (at a VERY affordable price) and then transfer to a University and graduate.  It is hard for me to believe that if a student really wanted a college education that they wouldn't be able to find some place or some way of making it possible (especially with night school, part time programs, junior colleges, low or not interest government loans, scholarships (especially for minorities and the economically disadvantaged). 

Re: Where can I get me some white privilege?
« Reply #24 on: October 12, 2007, 12:29:02 PM »
So by privilege, you just mean statistics/demographics?  And if privilege and racism aren't the same thing, then there can be a majority white population without racism. 

Again, if you don't like the demographic make up of the U.S. (or whatever city/state you are living in) then move to another city/state or country.  Pretty simple fix. 


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Re: Where can I get me some white privilege?
« Reply #25 on: October 12, 2007, 01:51:55 PM »
Y'know, what pisses me off about this list is how much of it is really just a $$ thing and by making it a privilege/privlege/race thing, we're missing out on trying to find ways to make life better for everyone and arguing about who it's the worst for. I mean, this is exactly the kind of crap my crazy father says the government boogeymen want: get poor people on all sides fighting each other for the same slice of pie and never ask who cut the damn pieces.