This is frustrating I am about to go to Love or IbizaHolla
Quote from: Miss P on August 31, 2007, 08:06:22 PMI happen to believe this is political given the makeup of the commission and the testimony on the record refuting his claims. I agree completely that it was political. Reading the questions section it is clear that those on the panel already had strong views on AA. This is true of both sides though. The suggestion of the panel that made the most sense to me personally was that an independent grant organization like the National Academy of Sciences should fund research in the area. There are a number of disputes in the data that could be settled with more exhaustive research.
I happen to believe this is political given the makeup of the commission and the testimony on the record refuting his claims.
That's cool how you referenced a case.
I'm so far from the end of my tether right now that I reckon I could knit myself some socks with the slack.
I would love to see more actual hard data on this topic. That said, I don't think Lempert will like it.
Thanks for your "contributions," Lindbergh.
Uh, let me summarize: Sander once married a black woman
there's nothing political about the USCCR,
you didn't face stereotype threat
I'm a nobody
the American left is full of brutes
affirmative action causes racism (because you said so)
and you'll read when you damn well please but for now it's more fun to play smart.
Did I miss anything?
Do you actually think it's helpful (or rational) to suggest that people who have a different policy ideas from you about this admittedly thorny issue don't care about "fairness"?
I recognize that you and I (together with people who take more extreme positions) are motivated precisely by a deep concern about what's fair and just.
The reason the same hackneyed phrases aren't interesting is because they don't get to the heart of our disagreements.
The argument where you say, "AA's not fair to Asians," and I say, "A world without AA isn't fair to African Americans," and whatever other slogans we can bandy about simply doesn't get out of the sandbox.
As for whether the commission is motivated by political concerns, I think its adoption of the Sander study when it had access not only to Lempert's testimony but to Rothstein/Yoon, Ho, Barnes, and Ayres/Brooks is res ipsa loquitur.
Combined with the quality of the commission's questions as summarized in the report from the hearings and what I know about the composition of the committee, I could probably make out a pretty good case if I thought doing so were worthwhile (and if you want to discuss this further, I'm willing to do so). In any case, the changes in the commission's membership following Berry's investigation of the 2000 Florida elections debacle and the deaths of other Democratically appointed members are surely more dispositive of the commission's political leanings than the fact that Richard Sander has a black child.
Saw dashrashi's LSN site. Since she seems to use profanity, one could say that HYP does not necessarily mean class or refinement.
Quote from: Miss P on September 04, 2007, 02:46:49 AMI don't think many people who read our respective posts would imagine that I'm the one who hasn't read the scholarly work on the subject, but suit yourself.I would say the same.
I don't think many people who read our respective posts would imagine that I'm the one who hasn't read the scholarly work on the subject, but suit yourself.