Quote from: Galt on October 12, 2007, 08:58:44 PMQuote from: waitlisted on October 12, 2007, 08:45:53 PMQuote from: Burning Sands on September 16, 2007, 05:36:25 PMThe difference between a 165 and a 170 is something nominal, like 3 actual questions on the LSAT right? Basically, we would be splitting hairs between somebody in the, say 95th percentile (taking a guess on where 165 falls) and the say, 99th percentile. You're wrong. Generally, the difference between 165 and 170 is 5-6 questions. Furthermore, the difference between the 95th and 99th percentile is around 8 questions.The chance of an identical student having a difference of 8 questions (or 7 points, a typical URM boost) is at least two SDs off the mean. In other words, it's not something that will happen simply due to dumb luck.Carry on with the arguments as to why a black student and a white student with identical socio-economic backgrounds who attended the very same schools from K-16 should have different opportunities if both decide to attend law school. It makes for fascinating reading. You're wrong. Sorry. The difference between 95th percentile and 99th percentile is at most 3 questions. Don't speak unless you know what you're talking about. Wanna bet? Here's a sample I was able to find off-hand from last year (June 2006)...http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i245/MaraudingJ/June2006Scale.jpgAnd here's LSACs Scaled-score to percentile score break-down: http://www.deloggio.com/how&when/newcurve.htm (this stays pretty static test-to-test).Say what you will, but the difference is most definitely closer to 8 questions than three (in terms of scores, a 165/6 v. a 172; the exact raw numbers vary, but the delta of 7-8 questions is more stable and the general translation of the scores above).
Quote from: waitlisted on October 12, 2007, 08:45:53 PMQuote from: Burning Sands on September 16, 2007, 05:36:25 PMThe difference between a 165 and a 170 is something nominal, like 3 actual questions on the LSAT right? Basically, we would be splitting hairs between somebody in the, say 95th percentile (taking a guess on where 165 falls) and the say, 99th percentile. You're wrong. Generally, the difference between 165 and 170 is 5-6 questions. Furthermore, the difference between the 95th and 99th percentile is around 8 questions.The chance of an identical student having a difference of 8 questions (or 7 points, a typical URM boost) is at least two SDs off the mean. In other words, it's not something that will happen simply due to dumb luck.Carry on with the arguments as to why a black student and a white student with identical socio-economic backgrounds who attended the very same schools from K-16 should have different opportunities if both decide to attend law school. It makes for fascinating reading. You're wrong. Sorry. The difference between 95th percentile and 99th percentile is at most 3 questions. Don't speak unless you know what you're talking about.
Quote from: Burning Sands on September 16, 2007, 05:36:25 PMThe difference between a 165 and a 170 is something nominal, like 3 actual questions on the LSAT right? Basically, we would be splitting hairs between somebody in the, say 95th percentile (taking a guess on where 165 falls) and the say, 99th percentile. You're wrong. Generally, the difference between 165 and 170 is 5-6 questions. Furthermore, the difference between the 95th and 99th percentile is around 8 questions.The chance of an identical student having a difference of 8 questions (or 7 points, a typical URM boost) is at least two SDs off the mean. In other words, it's not something that will happen simply due to dumb luck.Carry on with the arguments as to why a black student and a white student with identical socio-economic backgrounds who attended the very same schools from K-16 should have different opportunities if both decide to attend law school. It makes for fascinating reading.
The difference between a 165 and a 170 is something nominal, like 3 actual questions on the LSAT right? Basically, we would be splitting hairs between somebody in the, say 95th percentile (taking a guess on where 165 falls) and the say, 99th percentile.
Quote from: waitlisted on October 12, 2007, 09:07:25 PMQuote from: Galt on October 12, 2007, 08:58:44 PMQuote from: waitlisted on October 12, 2007, 08:45:53 PMQuote from: Burning Sands on September 16, 2007, 05:36:25 PMThe difference between a 165 and a 170 is something nominal, like 3 actual questions on the LSAT right? Basically, we would be splitting hairs between somebody in the, say 95th percentile (taking a guess on where 165 falls) and the say, 99th percentile. You're wrong. Generally, the difference between 165 and 170 is 5-6 questions. Furthermore, the difference between the 95th and 99th percentile is around 8 questions.The chance of an identical student having a difference of 8 questions (or 7 points, a typical URM boost) is at least two SDs off the mean. In other words, it's not something that will happen simply due to dumb luck.Carry on with the arguments as to why a black student and a white student with identical socio-economic backgrounds who attended the very same schools from K-16 should have different opportunities if both decide to attend law school. It makes for fascinating reading. You're wrong. Sorry. The difference between 95th percentile and 99th percentile is at most 3 questions. Don't speak unless you know what you're talking about. Wanna bet? Here's a sample I was able to find off-hand from last year (June 2006)...http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i245/MaraudingJ/June2006Scale.jpgAnd here's LSACs Scaled-score to percentile score break-down: http://www.deloggio.com/how&when/newcurve.htm (this stays pretty static test-to-test).Say what you will, but the difference is most definitely closer to 8 questions than three (in terms of scores, a 165/6 v. a 172; the exact raw numbers vary, but the delta of 7-8 questions is more stable and the general translation of the scores above). a 167 is 95%. A 165 is 93%.
Quote from: Galt on October 12, 2007, 09:22:24 PMa 167 is 95%. A 165 is 93%. Prove it. Never seen a table with it that high, but that's not the question.
a 167 is 95%. A 165 is 93%.
just browsing around the board. i found this part of the article the most shocking:"As a result, in elite law schools, 51.6% of black students had first-year grade point averages in the bottom 10% of their class as opposed to only 5.6% of white students. Nearly identical performance gaps existed at law schools at all levels. This much is uncontroversial."something needs to be said for that..
I have to say, the pro-AA people made very few good arguments in this post. There are plenty to be made, and simply none were. Pointing out examples of success, or using ad hominum attacks, or just citing the vitriolic posts of the anti-AA people as a premise for your argument does nothing to counter the article in question.Furthermore, with regards to elite law schools, many more people could do well at Harvard than get in. Hell, if you get in to a top 25 school you could probably handle the workload at Harvard. That is not the main point though, nor is it the argument anti-AA make regarding why AA shouldn't exist. Step it up
Just look at the entire country of South Africa if you want to see how stupidly retarded and outright racist AA is.
J, if you didn't bring enough penis for everyone, you shouldn't have brought any penis at all.
Quote from: TheJ on March 29, 2008, 09:26:10 PMQuote from: ColdBlue on August 27, 2007, 10:58:21 AMJust look at the entire country of South Africa if you want to see how stupidly retarded and outright racist AA is.Most asinine argument of all time. Seriously.you exaggerate and that makes your assertion less forceful. htfh.
Quote from: ColdBlue on August 27, 2007, 10:58:21 AMJust look at the entire country of South Africa if you want to see how stupidly retarded and outright racist AA is.Most asinine argument of all time. Seriously.
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