AA: More harm than good?

[imdashep]

Woof, classic

[imdashep]

The exceptions though prove there is a problem with the system. You ask what would be wrong with giving preference to the black candidate; well, I think that constitutes racism. Give it to the candidate most deserving. I don't think race should be a tiebreaker, nor a bonus system. Obviously we all want to get to a point where everyone has a good chance of success, no matter race or socioeconomic status. But I feel for many reasons that AA hurts not only qualified people who are bypassed, but unqualified people who are selected.

You state anecdotal evidence, and it's certainly compelling. That needs to stop, but I don't believe AA is the best way to go about it.

[filet o' fish]

Never mind, not arguing this anymore. Galt is thoroughly convinced of his/her correctness, and is ignoring posts to the contrary by engaging in a bit of shotgun semantics. That's fine, glad you are so strongly convicted.

                                         

[Outlaw22]

wow, i'm not even going to enter this debate after this post, but if you think being a wealthy black is more disadvantageous than being a poor white you are nuts.

I bet if you took a poll no more than 5% at most of wealthy blacks would trade it all to be a poor white, while about 95% of poor whites would trade their life for a wealthy black.  Do I have proof of this, no. 

The only proof I can give you that being a wealthy black is much better than being a poor white is: OPEN YOUR EYES.

Whoa... so because someone wouldn't trade a part of their identity if they could, proves that they experience less discrimination/ oppression than the group they could trade with?? LOL at that. 

I'm gay and I wouldn't "trade it all" to be straight. Neither would about 95% of the openly gay community. That does not mean it's easier to be gay than straight in our society or that gays experience less discrimination/oppression. It's the same for any part of your identity - race included. Not wanting to "trade" who you are is a pretty pathetic way to make an argument about this.

[dashrashi]

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[Astro]

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You're too late on this bandwagon.  Lazy.

[NYU2011]

wow, i'm not even going to enter this debate after this post, but if you think being a wealthy black is more disadvantageous than being a poor white you are nuts.

I bet if you took a poll no more than 5% at most of wealthy blacks would trade it all to be a poor white, while about 95% of poor whites would trade their life for a wealthy black.  Do I have proof of this, no. 

The only proof I can give you that being a wealthy black is much better than being a poor white is: OPEN YOUR EYES.

Whoa... so because someone wouldn't trade a part of their identity if they could, proves that they experience less discrimination/ oppression than the group they could trade with?? LOL at that. 

I'm gay and I wouldn't "trade it all" to be straight. Neither would about 95% of the openly gay community. That does not mean it's easier to be gay than straight in our society or that gays experience less discrimination/oppression. It's the same for any part of your identity - race included. Not wanting to "trade" who you are is a pretty pathetic way to make an argument about this.

If you would prefer your life, and they would prefer your life, then it would seem that you have the better life.  If you have the better life then why should you be given a boost at the expense of the person who seemingly has the worst life?

[john jacob]

All of you are idiots.

AA is kept largely as a public relations ploy/interest group pander by large institutions. From their perspective, hiring is so arbitrary anyways (college doesn't actually prepare you to do work in a company--that's what on-the-job training is) that it doesn't matter. It's simply the easier to add 20 points to an application due to race (michigan) than it is to address any systemic wrongs (and I personally find the "stereotype threat" to be laughably absurd reason).

[Ghost]

All of you are idiots.

AA is kept largely as a public relations ploy/interest group pander by large institutions. From their perspective, hiring is so arbitrary anyways (college doesn't actually prepare you to do work in a company--that's what on-the-job training is) that it doesn't matter. It's simply the easier to add 20 points to an application due to race (michigan) than it is to address any systemic wrongs (and I personally find the "stereotype threat" to be laughably absurd reason).

Wow, you convinced me with your brilliance.

I'm still a bit fazed.

[dashrashi]

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You're too late on this bandwagon.  Lazy.

I know. But it looked like a good one, and it's always helpful to know who to avoid from here on in.