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"Resume recommended" on Columbia application?

"Resume recommended" on Columbia application?
« on: August 25, 2007, 10:27:23 PM »
Does this essentially mean required, or should I skip it if I truly have a terrible resume? I have basically nothing on it, and what little there is is already mentioned elsewhere on the application. It's a safety school numbers-wise, but my first choice among likely options, and I'd obviously love the scholarship.

Hmm, well, never mind. In the checklist, it says that, but the actual application says it's a requirement.

To make it more general, if something says "recommended", should you ever skip it?

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Re: "Resume recommended" on Columbia application?
« Reply #1 on: August 25, 2007, 11:37:23 PM »
Anna Ivey says resumes are awesome--a kind of nice, one-page synopsis of you.

If it's recommended, I'm including it.

I figure it's much better to include a polished but non-extraordinary resume, diversity statement, etc, than have the adcomms go "where's the cv/ds/3rd rec with this application? oh, they didn't include it...wonder why..."

but what a bummer to have it be extra paper that doesn't add something to your application--I'm sure you can find some way to make it more interesting.


Re: "Resume recommended" on Columbia application?
« Reply #2 on: August 26, 2007, 12:16:54 AM »
Not sure how you feel about writing a non-traditional resume, but it might be worth looking into...



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Re: "Resume recommended" on Columbia application?
« Reply #3 on: August 26, 2007, 02:59:57 AM »
Does this essentially mean required, or should I skip it if I truly have a terrible resume? I have basically nothing on it, and what little there is is already mentioned elsewhere on the application. It's a safety school numbers-wise, but my first choice among likely options, and I'd obviously love the scholarship.

Hmm, well, never mind. In the checklist, it says that, but the actual application says it's a requirement.

To make it more general, if something says "recommended", should you ever skip it?

Columbia's your safety school? Do you mean your reach school?

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Re: "Resume recommended" on Columbia application?
« Reply #4 on: August 26, 2007, 06:21:52 AM »
whether or not a school asks for a resume, doesn't ask for one, recommends one, or whatever, you should be sending one.  no matter what.  if you don't have anything to put on your resume maybe you should consider taking some time off.

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Re: "Resume recommended" on Columbia application?
« Reply #5 on: August 26, 2007, 07:19:54 AM »
Does this essentially mean required, or should I skip it if I truly have a terrible resume? I have basically nothing on it, and what little there is is already mentioned elsewhere on the application. It's a safety school numbers-wise, but my first choice among likely options, and I'd obviously love the scholarship.

Hmm, well, never mind. In the checklist, it says that, but the actual application says it's a requirement.

To make it more general, if something says "recommended", should you ever skip it?

Columbia's your safety school? Do you mean your reach school?

Yeah, is Columbia really a safety for anyone?  They're not that predictable.

Re: "Resume recommended" on Columbia application?
« Reply #6 on: August 26, 2007, 11:38:42 AM »
Does this essentially mean required, or should I skip it if I truly have a terrible resume? I have basically nothing on it, and what little there is is already mentioned elsewhere on the application. It's a safety school numbers-wise, but my first choice among likely options, and I'd obviously love the scholarship.

Hmm, well, never mind. In the checklist, it says that, but the actual application says it's a requirement.

To make it more general, if something says "recommended", should you ever skip it?

Columbia's your safety school? Do you mean your reach school?

Yeah, is Columbia really a safety for anyone?  They're not that predictable.

It's more of a safety than Harvard is.

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Re: "Resume recommended" on Columbia application?
« Reply #7 on: August 26, 2007, 02:20:40 PM »
Does this essentially mean required, or should I skip it if I truly have a terrible resume? I have basically nothing on it, and what little there is is already mentioned elsewhere on the application. It's a safety school numbers-wise, but my first choice among likely options, and I'd obviously love the scholarship.

Hmm, well, never mind. In the checklist, it says that, but the actual application says it's a requirement.

To make it more general, if something says "recommended", should you ever skip it?

Columbia's your safety school? Do you mean your reach school?

Yeah, is Columbia really a safety for anyone?  They're not that predictable.

It's more of a safety than Harvard is.

Generally, yes, but not necessarily.  Check LSN for numerous examples from last year's cycle of people who were accepted at Harvard and deferred or something at Columbia.  Columbia's numbers are really just about as high, too... admission to Harvard doesn't guarantee admission to Columbia, obviously.  It's arguable that Columbia cares more about the name brand of your undergrad than Harvard.  It's also possible that Columbia practices YP.  If so, no one is safe; having numbers over Columbia's 75%ile put you in danger.  I'd feel more comfortable betting that a 4.0/175 would get in at Harvard than at Columbia.

http://www.lawschoolnumbers.com/display.php?user=Britomart
http://www.lawschoolnumbers.com/display.php?user=shannysor
http://www.lawschoolnumbers.com/display.php?user=aad722
http://www.lawschoolnumbers.com/display.php?user=GobBluth
http://www.lawschoolnumbers.com/display.php?user=549grove
http://www.lawschoolnumbers.com/display.php?user=cwhittak

Anyway, my original point:  No one can really consider Columbia a safety, IMHO.  NYU is predictable and could possibly be a safety, in addition to slightly lower-ranked schools like Michigan and Virginia, which will try to buy applicants with high numbers instead of YPing them.  But the rest of the top seven schools are too unpredictable to be considered safeties.  Even if it is a safety numbers-wise, as he said, there is no point in referring to it as a safety:  It isn't necessarily so.

Re: "Resume recommended" on Columbia application?
« Reply #8 on: August 26, 2007, 03:19:57 PM »
What sort of travel experience/language skills are we talking about?

Also, since you graduated early (you did, right?), maybe you could justify including some stuff from right before you started college. I always list my chess skills on my resume, and they've been a decent conversation starter during interviews, so if you won a state championship, that might be worth talking about.

Also, you could conceivably list some of the stuff you're going to be doing over the next few months on your resume, assuming your plans are somewhat solidified. I'm starting some really interesting work with a non-profit in Sierra Leone in October, and that's going to be right at the top of the 'experience' section.

Re: "Resume recommended" on Columbia application?
« Reply #9 on: August 26, 2007, 03:30:59 PM »

Generally, yes, but not necessarily.  Check LSN for numerous examples from last year's cycle of people who were accepted at Harvard and deferred or something at Columbia.  Columbia's numbers are really just about as high, too... admission to Harvard doesn't guarantee admission to Columbia, obviously.  It's arguable that Columbia cares more about the name brand of your undergrad than Harvard.  It's also possible that Columbia practices YP.  If so, no one is safe; having numbers over Columbia's 75%ile put you in danger.  I'd feel more comfortable betting that a 4.0/175 would get in at Harvard than at Columbia.

http://www.lawschoolnumbers.com/display.php?user=Britomart
http://www.lawschoolnumbers.com/display.php?user=shannysor
http://www.lawschoolnumbers.com/display.php?user=aad722
http://www.lawschoolnumbers.com/display.php?user=GobBluth
http://www.lawschoolnumbers.com/display.php?user=549grove
http://www.lawschoolnumbers.com/display.php?user=cwhittak

Anyway, my original point:  No one can really consider Columbia a safety, IMHO.  NYU is predictable and could possibly be a safety, in addition to slightly lower-ranked schools like Michigan and Virginia, which will try to buy applicants with high numbers instead of YPing them.  But the rest of the top seven schools are too unpredictable to be considered safeties.  Even if it is a safety numbers-wise, as he said, there is no point in referring to it as a safety:  It isn't necessarily so.

Point taken.

I suppose that do to yield protection/random ad com fickleness/the glut of qualified applicants it's not really fair to refer any top 5 program as a safety. Also, there isn't technically anything to be gained by doing so. After all, a safety is supposed to be a school you can attend should all else fail, so unless the OP is only applying to HYS and Columbia (in which case the OP is very dumb), the term just isn't applicable.